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I wonder if I should just start pasting in all the comments made on this board by Buddha Bear, Geobeet, Treebeard and other like minded libs who have for so long praised John McCain. I believe just a short time ago BB wanted to clone him. You still want that BB? A few hundred principled, staunch supporters of the President's Iraq policy touring the nation. Yes Please, let's clone McCain.
Bison
8:16:37 AM
8/31/04

Nigal - Please stop spitting on vets.
Violin
8:20:06 AM
8/31/04

Nigal - Please stop spitting on vets."

Violin
08:20:06 AM
08/31/04

Funny thing for you to say Violin, considering the invective that I've seen you throw out at so many men who served in Vietnam.
Bison
8:22:06 AM
8/31/04

V, sKerry caused more vets to get spat upon than I could ever cause. He is a hateful liar. I spit upon him, not his uniform. See I, unlike sKerry, feel that uniform means something.
Nigal
8:28:03 AM
8/31/04

John Kerry went to Vietnam.
He joined the Naval reserves in 1966 and got called up. Navy in 1966 was a lot safer than being in the ground forces, Vietnam did not really have a Navy and at that time Vietnam was a limited war.


He volunteered for the swift boats in 1968.
Why ?
Was it because he believed that what the US was trying to accomplish was the right thing (Democrat Johnson was President)

or because he was already in the Navy and action brought advancement.

Nobody really knows and John Kerry himself would probably have a hard time remembering exacty why he made that decision.

He was back when Nixon became President and the feeling in the US had turned against the war.
Kerry (now) did not believe in the war and spoke out against it.

The only problem I have so far is his throwing someone else's medals away but retaining his, major deception and hipocracy.

No problem with his renouncing fellow military people in-country as war criminals if that is what he felt of American behaviour. But do not try and sell us on heroism later with his band-of-brothers when it suits him.

His senate record reads more like the Kerry sick of war than the heroic warrior. That is OK too, Eisenhower had a dismal record of defence as President because he saw too much during WWII.

If you are not prepared to commit troops knowing that some will die then you are not fit to be commander in chief. There was a good scene in the movie U571 where an officer was not promoted because he lacked the ability to order a person to perform a duty that would certainly kill him but was necessary to save others.

Not saying Kerry is a bad person, but am saying that he is a very bad choice to put in charge of the National Defense, I do not think he can do it. In Feb 1968 yes, after December 1969 no.

I do not like his choices for Health but do agree that the currents system has major problems, I just do not agree with his solutions.

I do believe in incentive, and his tax plan will reduce incentive. If you have to soak the rich, do it through inheritance taxes, limit the size of the silver spoon, and certainly tax to the limit what is given to anyone other than spouse and children.
If you have an idea, take the risk, and work hard you should be able to enjoy the reward and not be penalized because you succeed.
The majority of American Millionaires are self-made not inherited.
manuka
9:31:33 AM
8/31/04

The President has to make tough decisions. Kerry cannot make a decision.

Before the War in Iraq Kerry voted for it. Since then Kerry then went on a campaign against the war. So he changed his mind.

Then on August 9, 2004 Kerry said he would vote for the War again.

What? How can anyone seriously consider Kerry as President? He changes his mind more often than Nigal changes his underwear.
bbw
10:33:14 AM
8/31/04

Violin, Buddha Bear, & MarkO are AINOs.




(American In Name Only)
Mutt
10:37:12 AM
8/31/04

Violin, Buddha Bear, & MarkO are AINOs.




(American In Name Only)"

Mutt
10:37:12 AM
08/31/04

The one things the liberals scream about that they're right about is that attacking someone's patriotism has no place in the discussion. I have a big problem with the libs saying that it's happening when it's not. But this is blatatant, and certainly not helpful.
Bison
10:44:24 AM
8/31/04

attacking someone's patriotism has no place in the discussion

Fvck that. Don't be such a bedwetter.
Mutt
10:47:50 AM
8/31/04

or,... those that cry the loudest about their pet ammendment in the Bill of Rights are often the same ones who want to deny one or more of the other "rights".
manuka
10:48:54 AM
8/31/04

I appreciate that Bison, and that is why someone like Mutt is on ignore (and deserves to be), and you aren't.
Buddha Bear
11:34:35 AM
8/31/04

Kerry walks into a bar. "Why the long face?" asks the bartender.
Mutt
1:10:25 PM
8/31/04

We can win the war on terrorism.

We can't win the war on terrorism.

We can win the war on terrorism.

Seems as though Bushie's flip-flopping views on the debacle in Iraq are a "catastrophic success."
roseymonster
1:20:21 PM
8/31/04

roseymonster, I heard Bush personally explain what he meant by his comments. He said the war on terrorism is not a traditional war where one side surrenders or gives up and it's not clearly defined and we will always, like we've always had, elements of terror to deal with. You can't comletely wipe it out and say there will never ever again forever and ever be a terrorist act. So you can win the "war" on terrorism in a greater sense (taking away the breeding grounds and state-sponsored terrorism, etc., and encourage (sometimes force, ha ha!) societies to be free and provide hope and accountability), but obviously no one can claim (Dem or Repub or even the Nuke Party) that they will completely wipe out all future acts of terrorism forever and ever, amen. But Bush even admitted the way he said it sounded confusing without further explanation. He admits he's not a silver-tongued orator.
Buck
1:45:30 PM
8/31/04

Rosey - Scott really had to be on his toes to *explain* what the President meant. Scott's got a real hard job sweeping up all the turds his boss lays on the ground. I pitty him. No wonder Ari got out when he could.

That's a main issue I have with our Pastor in Chief. He abuses the english word and has to have a bunch of people run around and say really what he *meant* to say. I take what comes out of the Presidents mouth and in context. I do not rely on the spin doctors fertilizer explainations. Bush is a walking Fruedin slip and is an embarrassing relfection on this country to the world. No wonder no one takes us seriously anymore.......!
laqtis
2:00:10 PM
8/31/04

Rosey - Scott really had to be on his toes to *explain* what the President meant. Scott's got a real hard job sweeping up all the turds his boss lays on the ground. I pitty him. No wonder Ari got out when he could.

That's a main issue I have with our Pastor in Chief. He abuses the english word and has to have a bunch of people run around and say really what he *meant* to say. I take what comes out of the Presidents mouth and in context. I do not rely on the spin doctors fertilizer explainations. Bush is a walking Fruedin slip and is an embarrassing reflection on this country to the world. No wonder no one takes us seriously anymore.......!
laqtis
2:00:20 PM
8/31/04

I say Bush should turn it over to Buck. He seems to know how to spin it!

Yeah, without his handlers around and Uncle Dick whispering in his ear 24-7, Bush is lost.
roseymonster
2:11:16 PM
8/31/04

I have buck on ignore, so I have no idea what crap he's spewing...
laqtis
2:16:40 PM
8/31/04

What is it with you "guys" and the "ineffectual pu$$y" button? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch, and all that rot.
Mutt
2:31:33 PM
8/31/04

I've tried that, and for this #&%!$, it's easier to avoid taking the bait. I'm sure that a lot of chit is still being said about me and it's not really worth gettin` all bent over it. Besides, I only have two people on ignore and concider that to be pretty good. Besides, it makes the page load a hell of a lot fast when bucks pile is shorten.
laqtis
2:40:25 PM
8/31/04

Hmmm... I know how to "spin" it? I told you what Bush himself said today about it, his words not mine.

And laqtis says he takes what the President says in context and doesn't listen to what others explain his words? Well, if the President says, in his own words, in context, to clarify what he was saying, does that not count as the President's words? I don't geeeeet it. Hi.
Buck
2:41:34 PM
8/31/04

Not one thing you said was in quotes. Therefore, it is YOU explaining what Bush has apparently explained, hardly the same thing as what Bush said a.k.a. spokesperson/spin artist/flak/etc., etc.
roseymonster
2:45:49 PM
8/31/04

rosey, I just heard Bush speak on this less than an hour ago! I paraphrased what he said but I didn't spin anything. Yes, this is the O'Bucko Factor's No Spin Zone.
Buck
2:54:48 PM
8/31/04

"What is it with you "guys" and the "ineffectual pu$$y" button? If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch, and all that rot."

No kidding! I don't have a single person on ignore. Laqtose is just too soft and has an inability to handle other's views. Besides, he claims me and Buck are on ignore but ya always see him chiming in on us. He does the old trick of telling us we're on ignore to try and hurt our little feelings and then every post he unclicks us to read our posts. See, we are irresistible to him. LOL!
Nigal
2:55:39 PM
8/31/04

Scott explained what Bush meant to say yesterday, after Bush gaft on the Today show ysterday morning. It was a hot botton topic at the press conference. Now, if by chance Bush came out today and said the same thing as Scott said yesterday, is it Bush explaining or Scott?

It's Scott on the handlers of course. I feel bad for the right always having to spin in over drvie. Bush manages about a gaff a week now. The electric bill for the Press Sec. office must be through the roof.
laqtis
2:59:02 PM
8/31/04

I have laqtis on 50% ignore so I'm only seeing every other word. It's sorta confusing. Sometimes I only see half the word. laqtis seems to be comparing Bush to an electric giraff named Scott, or something like that?
Buck
3:08:32 PM
8/31/04

I wish you could come up with a reason to vote for Kerry without making up lies about the President."
bbw
06:06:57 PM
08/26/04

1. Stem cell research
2. Abortion rights
3. Lack of neocon influence
4. Judicial appointments
5. Economic sanity
6. Separation of religion and government
7. A president who reads would be nice
8. Competent statesmanship"
Phaedrus
06:28:58 PM
08/26/04

President Bush authorized Federal funding for stem cell research. The only President to do so.

I find it hard to believe that you were unable to compile a list of reasons to support Kerry without making up lies about the President. It appeared as though you tried, but were unable.

The President's economic policies are not insane and he can certainly read. You and Kerry deserve each other.
bbw
2:39:42 PM
9/01/04

August 26, 2004

It Takes Real Courage to Desert Your Post and Then Attack a Wounded Vet

Dear Mr. Bush,

I know you and I have had our differences in the past, and I realize I am the one who started this whole mess about "who did what" during Vietnam when I brought up that "deserter" nonsense back in January. But I have to hand it to you on what you have uncovered about John Kerry and his record in Vietnam. Kerry has tried to pass himself off as a war hero, but thanks to you and your friends, we now know the truth.

First of all, thank you for pointing out to all of us that Mr. Kerry was never struck by a BULLET. It was only SHRAPNEL that entered his body! I did not know that! Hell, what's the big deal about a bunch of large, sharp, metal shards ripping open your flesh? That happens to all of us! In my opinion, if you want a purple heart, you'd better be hit by a bullet -- with your name on it!

Secondly, thank you for sending Bob Dole out there and letting us know that Mr. Kerry, though wounded three times, actually "never spilled blood." When you are in the debates with Kerry, turn to him and say, "Dammit, Mr. Kerry, next time you want a purple heart, you better spill some American red blood! And I don't mean a few specks like those on O.J.'s socks -- we want to see a good pint or two of blood for each medal. In fact, I would have preferred that you had bled profusely, a big geyser of blood spewing out of your neck or something!" Then throw this one at him: "Senator Kerry, over 58,000 brave Americans gave their lives in Vietnam -- but YOU didn't. You only got WOUNDED! What do you have to say for yourself???" Lay that one on him and he won't know what to do.

And thanks, also, Mr. Bush, for exposing the fact that Mr. Kerry might have actually WOUNDED HIMSELF in order to get those shiny medals. Of course he did! How could the Viet Cong have hit him -- he was on a SWIFT boat! He was going too fast to be hit by enemy fire. He tried to blow himself up three different times just so he could go home and run for president someday. It's all so easy to see, now, what he was up to.

What would we do without you, Mr. Bush? Criticize you as we might, when it comes to pointing out other men's military records, there is no one who can touch your prowess. In 2000, you let out the rumor that your opponent John McCain might be "nuts" from the 5 years he spent in a POW camp. Then, in the 2002 elections, your team compared triple-amputee Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden, and that cost him the election. And now you are having the same impact on war hero John Kerry. Since you (oops, I mean "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!") started running those ads, Kerry's poll numbers have dropped (with veterans, he has lost 18 points in the last few weeks).

Some people have said "Who are you, Mr. Bush, to attack these brave men considering you yourself have never seen combat -- in fact, you actively sought to avoid it." What your critics fail to understand is that even though your dad got you into a unit that would never be sent to Vietnam -- and even though you didn't show up for Guard duty for at least a year -- at least you were still IN FAVOR of the Vietnam War! Cowards like Clinton felt it was more important to be consistent (he opposed the war, thus he refused to go) than to be patriotic and two-faced.

The reason that I think you know so much about other men's war wounds is because, during your time in the Texas Air National Guard, you suffered so many of them yourself. Consider the paper cut you received on September 22, 1972, while stationed in Alabama, working on a Senate campaign for your dad's friend (when you were supposed to be on the Guard base). A campaign brochure appeared from nowhere, ambushing your right index finger, and blood trickled out onto your brand new argyle sweater.

Then there was the incident with the Crazy Glue when your fraternity brothers visited you one weekend at the base and glued your lips together while you were "passed out." Though initially considered "friendly fire," it was later ruled that you suffered severe post traumatic stress disorder from the assault and required certain medicinal attention -- which, it seems, was provided by those same fraternity brethren.

But nothing matched your heroism when, on July 2, 1969, you sustained a massive head injury when enemy combatants from another Guard unit dropped a keg of Coors on your head during a reconnaissance mission at a nearby all-girls college. Fortunately, the cool, smooth fluids that poured out of the keg were exactly what was needed to revive you.

That you never got a purple heart for any of these incidents is a shame. I can fully appreciate your anger at Senator Kerry for the three he received. I mean, Kerry was a man of privilege, he could have gotten out just like you. Instead, he thinks he's going to gain points with the American people bragging about how he was getting shot at every day in the Mekong Delta. Ha! Is that the best he can do? Hell, I hear gunfire every night outside my apartment window! If he thinks he is going to impress anyone with the fact that he volunteered to go when he could have spent the Vietnam years on the family yacht, he should think again. That only shows how stupid he was! True-blue Americans want a president who knows how to pull strings and work the system and get away with doing as little work as possible!

So, to make it up to you, I have written some new ads you can use on TV. People will soon tire of the swift boat veterans and you are going to need some fresh, punchier material. Feel free to use any of these:

ANNOUNCER: "When the bullets were flying all around him in Vietnam, what did John Kerry do? He said he leaned over the boat and 'pulled a man out of the river.' But, as we all know, men don't live in the river -- fish do. John Kerry knows how to tell a big fish tale. What he won't tell you is that when the enemy was shooting at him, he ducked. Do you want a president who will duck? Vote Bush."

ANNOUNCER: "Mr. Kerry's biggest supporter, Sen. Max Cleland, claims to have lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam. But he still has one arm! How did that happen? One word: Cowardice. When duty called, he was unwilling to give his last limb. Is that the type of selfishness you want hanging out in the White House? We think not. Vote for the man who would be willing to give America his right frontal lobe. Vote Bush."

Hope these help, Mr. Bush. And remember, when the American death toll in Iraq hits 1,000 during the Republican convention, be sure to question whether those who died really did indeed "die" -- or were they just trying to get their faces on CNN's nightly tribute to fallen heroes? The sixteen who've died so far this week were probably working hand in hand with the Kerry campaign to ruin your good time in New York. Stay consistent, sir, and always, ALWAYS question the veracity of anyone who risks his or her life for this country. It's the least that person deserves.

Yours,

Michael Moore
laqtis
9:51:05 PM
9/01/04

Questions About Bush's Guard Service Unanswered




By Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard / USA TODAY

WASHINGTON - At a time when Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has come under fire from a group of retired naval officers who say he lied about his combat record in Vietnam, questions about President Bush's 1968-73 stint in the Texas Air National Guard remain unresolved: (Related item: Bush urges end to TV attack ads by outside groups)

Some of the documents about President Bush's military service documents still have not been made public.

• Why did Bush, described by some of his fellow officers as a talented and enthusiastic pilot, stop flying fighter jets in the spring of 1972 and fail to take an annual physical exam required of all pilots?

• What explains the apparent gap in the president's Guard service in 1972-73, a period when commanders in Texas and Alabama say they never saw him report for duty and records show no pay to Bush when he was supposed to be on duty in Alabama?

• Did Bush receive preferential treatment in getting into the Guard and securing a coveted pilot slot despite poor qualifying scores and arrests, but no convictions, for stealing a Christmas wreath and rowdiness at a football game during his college years?

The White House has released hundreds of pages of records, but the files released so far haven't answered those questions. Since the documents were released in February, at least a half-dozen news organizations, including USA TODAY, have filed new requests for Bush's military records under the Freedom of Information Act.

In an e-mail to USA TODAY last week, presidential spokesman Dan Bartlett said: "The president has authorized the release of his records and we are complying with all requests. Some are taking longer than others, but all will be addressed."

Past military service and qualifications to be commander in chief have become a central theme in the 2004 presidential campaign.

Questions about Bush's record predate the current campaign. The apparent gap in his Guard service first surfaced before the 2000 election, when The Boston Globe reported that Texas Guard commanders were unable to account for Bush's whereabouts from May 1972 to April 1973.

Bush has not said what he did in the Guard during that period. Aside from a statement by a former Alabama Air Guard officer who said he saw Bush report for duty there in the fall of 1972, the only evidence he was at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Alabama was a record of a dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, at the base.

Bush said in a TV interview in February that he would make all his military records available. That month, the White House released more than 400 pages of Bush military records, including some duplicates, and said the documents were a complete catalog of his personnel files.

But some documents still have not been made public. The White House did not release Bush's medical records from his Guard files but allowed a group of reporters who cover the White House to review them for 20 minutes. They found nothing unusual. Kerry released some of his military records earlier this year. He has also declined to release his complete medical records but showed them to reporters as Bush did.

Since February, the White House has banned all Guard and military commanders outside the Pentagon from commenting on Bush's records or service. Requests for information must go to the Pentagon's Freedom of Information Act office.

The Pentagon last week responded to a 4-month-old request from USA TODAY for additional records from Bush's files by sending another copy of documents that were released by the White House in February. The documents do not address the unexplained year in Bush's Guard service or his decision to stop flying.

The Associated Press filed a lawsuit this summer requesting copies of Bush's military records stored in a Texas archive on microfilm. It sought information that might explain why Bush did not take his flight physical and whether he showed up for duty in Alabama in the fall of 1972, AP spokesman John Stokes said.
laqtis
10:04:37 PM
9/01/04

Q, that's good shiznit my friend. Unfortunately, even totally logical, smack your a$$ in the face reason such as this article won't impact the morons (Nigal, Mutt, Buck, bacpac, etc) that have educated people read the TT posts to them.
Buddha Bear
10:07:03 PM
9/01/04

"Q, that's good shiznit my friend. Unfortunately, even totally logical, smack your a$$ in the face reason such as this article won't impact the morons (Nigal, Mutt, Buck, bacpac, etc) that have educated people read the TT posts to them......"


I have no idea what the thinking would be, nor do I give a chit. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone is entitled to not agree. If everyone would take the stance of RL, things would be a lot prettier around here, but it's not.

Ya get a cluster phuck, after a circle jerk. It's real old.
laqtis
10:12:37 PM
9/01/04

Bush Prays, and Is Prayed for, Say Republicans
Wednesday, September 01, 2004
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
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NEW YORK — President Bush (search) prays, he consults scripture; he even plans services on Air Force One when he isn't able to attend church on the ground.

So says a new documentary that points out that yes, Bush is a religious man, and many of his core supporters find that one of his most endearing traits.

"I think what they like about this man — and what seems to scare other people — is his faith," said David W. Balsiger, producer of "George W. Bush: Faith in the White House." (search) "For a large segment of the voting population — probably 60 million — faith plays a very large role," Balsiger continued. "They want to know that the man will make some decision through prayer, through spiritual counsel."

Polls seem to support that assertion. The Pew Forum on Religion and the People (search) polls have repeatedly found that a majority of Americans like their political leaders to talk about their faith, a statistic that the Republican Party has seized upon in the last year.

Another statistic they have seized upon is one that has found that the more frequently voters go to religious services, the more likely they are to vote Republican.


And though the Christian conservative (search) movement is hardly marching in full force on the Republican National Convention, Republicans of faith are easily found in New York this week, and make no bones about saying that Bush is one of them.

"I think our president is a Christ-centered, Godly man and he is a leader for times such as these," said Pearl Floyd, an African-American Christian, who serves as a county commissioner in Gastonia, N.C.

Floyd has had the pleasure of meeting the president on several occasions, she told FOXNews.com at the GOPAC-sponsored "National Prayer Breakfast" Wednesday morning. "He calls me Pearl and says he's my friend," she said.

White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who spoke at the event, said Bush is "someone who prays every day," and people constantly approach him, here and abroad, saying they are praying for him.

"I hear it everywhere in America," he said. "That is the greatest help this president gets, it's the prayers from you."

Balsiger said he expects more than one million DVDs of his film, which documents the role of faith in the president's life and in his leadership, to be in circulation in the next few months, and he hopes it will "go head to head" with the DVD release of Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" on Oct 5.

"It ended being a great tie-in. It provides a great alternative for people who want to know what George Bush is really like," he said.

"The main mission (of this film) is to show a side of George Bush that says he is different from other contemporary presidents. He's not reluctant to talk about his faith," Balsiger said.

Aside from distributing the film through secular channels like Wal-Mart, Balsiger said it will be available at thousands of churches, religious organizations and bookstores. It will also be shown at several film festivals between now and the election.

"A lot of religious believers are asking whether their leaders are just pandering to the beliefs of people or are they really walking the talk," he added. "I think this film indicates that he does walk the talk."

But while folks like Balsiger and others, like former Oklahoma Rep. J.C. Watts (search), who led the prayer breakfast Wednesday, say faith is key to the party, this aspect has hardly been high profile among the major events and speakers at the convention this week.

Experts suggest that convention delegates, part of Bush's loyal base, know who they are going to vote for, and much of the convention is geared toward targeting more moderate swing voters who identify with economic and national security issues rather than religious and social issues linked more closely to the conservative wing of the party.

"I think the difference is in the past, the Christian conservative base wasn't happy with the nominee, and they were dissatisfied with the party, so the party had to reach out to them," said John McLaughlin, Republican pollster.

"This president has their support and right now their objective is to register more conservatives and make sure these conservatives go and vote, and that's going to happen," he said. "They're not complaining, you're seeing them lining up and saying, what do we need to do? On the other hand, the party understands that we're battling for the middle right now."

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, a life-long Roman Catholic, has said he is also a man of faith, but has contended that faith is a personal matter and that he does not want to be a spokesman for any church or faith.

At the same time, Democrats say attempts to appear centrist at the Republican convention don't disguise the true nature of the conservative right.

"Underneath a thin veneer of compassionate slogans, there's a divisive, negative agenda that is driving the Republican Party and has controlled this White House and their policies for the past four years," said Mary Beth Cahill (search), campaign manager for Kerry. "The Republican Party has miscalculated again if they thought they could keep their true extreme agenda under wraps while middle class families have been suffering from it all along."

Democrats held their own prayer reception at the Democratic National Convention, albeit a smaller one. They said faith has been "hijacked" by Republicans, and their issues of faith include opposing war and eradicating poverty.

"Our faith has been stolen and it's time to take it back," said Jim Wallis, a Christian activist who runs "Call to Renewal" in Washington, and appeared at the Democratic prayer breakfast in Boston.

"Democrats are clearly extremely frustrated by the idea that religion is equated with conservatives," said Steven Waldman, founder of BeliefNet.com, a Web site dedicated to religious issues, at the July convention. "And they're flailing around, trying to figure out what to do about it. The Democrats know they have to be more welcoming."

Gene Riccoboni, a Manhattan layer who considers himself a traditional Catholic, said his faith surely plays a role in his political support — and Bush is his man. He likes the fact that faith helps to guide Bush's decisions as a leader.

"Personally, I would prefer a man of faith," he said. He believes that most people who consider themselves religious can be found on the same side of political issues, like abortion and stem-cell research. "It's ideological," he added.
laqtis
10:17:04 PM
9/01/04

I find it interesting that the article you post, laqtis, mentions Kerry’s particular church of faith and goes on to say, “Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, a life-long Roman Catholic, has said he is also a man of faith, but has contended that faith is a personal matter and that he does not want to be a spokesman for any church or faith.”


But nowhere in the article can I find WHAT particular church or faith it is that Bush subscribes.



Is there something about religion or faith that scares you laqtis? Do you somehow equate faith with fundamentalist violence? How do you reconcile the fact that
Kerry let’s everyone know that he is Roman Catholic, but doesn’t follow the teachings of his own church? Is this an indecisive flip-flop?
arclite
6:22:34 AM
9/02/04

arc - The intent of that post, is to show that our President is heavily influanced by the church. I have no problem with people worshiping anything they want, go praise a rock for all I care.

But when a President uses the writings of Thomas Aqunias, - from the Summa Theologica - to justify this war, I have a probelm. If you read that piece, you'll see the use of the term "evil-doer" and "just war". It almost sounds like the Presidental speech/case to go to war with Iraq. Seeing that the Pres is a man of faith, I find it too much of "chance" that this tones and his additude sound so alike.

In closing, like I've said before, believe in what evefrmakes ya feel warm and fuzzy, just don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
laqtis
6:59:34 AM
9/02/04

When did influence of church become a bad thing? And don't poop in my shoe and tell me it is a hot fudge sundae!

What does laqtis mean? I never heard the word/name before. It sounds French.
bbw
7:36:41 AM
9/02/04

I think laqtis is a Star Trek Next Gen. reference. But I've never asked. What say, big boy?
arclite
6:20:53 AM
9/03/04

Can't wait for the debates.
Dunadan
8:55:42 AM
9/03/04

i don't think kerry stands a chance at this time. it appears to be bush's to lose.
baume 66
9:25:16 AM
9/03/04

arc - yep.
laqtis
9:27:36 AM
9/03/04

Star Trek? That certainly makes sense.
bbw
10:23:02 AM
9/03/04

Does this man’s hypocrisy know no bounds?

“Assault weapons are evil…unless a union shill gives me one for free! Bottom line, guns are ok for me but not you.”
Nigal
9:09:58 AM
9/09/04

WOW! I love the spin, Nigal.
A shotgun is now an assault weapon. Nice try.
Dunadan
9:12:34 AM
9/09/04

Under the bills he sponsored this shotgun would be illegal.
Nigal
9:14:09 AM
9/09/04

No spin there Dunandan, Kerry does indeed think(or maybe he thought? what will his position on this be tommorow) that the shotgun in question is (was?) an assault weapon.
Bison
9:26:32 AM
9/09/04

Typical flip-flop
Last week Kerry sponsored no bills; this week he sponsored bills.
Geobeet
9:28:57 AM
9/09/04

Flip flops:

before 9/11 - missile defense shield more important than terrorism

After 9/11 - terrorism more important

Before 9/11 - Taliban bad, but no military action needed

After 9/11 - We must invade Iraq... errr Afghanistan... then Iraq

Before Iraq invasion: Saddam is a WMD-posessing bad guy

After Iraq invasion: Well, even CLINTON thought he had WMD. If CLINTON had served another term, HE probably would have had to invade Iraq... Okay... no WMD.

During campaign: Nationbuilding bad.

After campaign: Not nationbuilding bad.


blah blah blah blah
Phaedrus
10:14:44 AM
9/09/04

I had to laugh at that, too, Nigal. Pure hypocrisy.

Looks like the AWB is going to sunset next week!! Woohoo! High-cap mags here I come!
Mutt
10:19:30 AM
9/09/04

I also enjoy nigal scoffing at stories from Mother Jones or Salon, and then posting the Drudge report as gospel.
Phaedrus
10:22:44 AM
9/09/04

So are you saying the story is untrue?
bbw
10:41:18 AM
9/09/04

I'm pretty sure that I didn't say anything resembling that. Let's try a little reading comprehension, Thick-pack.
Phaedrus
10:42:14 AM
9/09/04

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