John Kerry for President!!!!!

“Yeah, as you try to tell me unsubstantiated every time. Sorry Tommy, bumpersticker epitaphs don’t cut it here.”

“

LIES!! ALL LIES!!!”

“The Kerry family had major business dealings with, and made a family fortune off the Nazi Party. It's true, those racist fascist bastrads!”

“Boy, those poll results sure have quieted the Blissninny Brigade.”

“If Zogby weren't still calling it for Kerry based upon Electoral College votes, I might be worried.

I still say Kerry in a landslide.”

“Man what I wouldn't give to see Kerry in a landslide. A real one though! LOL!”

“What? Ya got some treasure buried there Rosey?”

“"Nigal, those Democrats of yesteryear would be Republicans now.

THere has been a shift in "the force"."
MarkO
08:26:28 AM

"Yeah, as you try to tell me unsubstantiated every time. Sorry Tommy, bumpersticker epitaphs don’t cut it here."
Nigal
08:47:44 AM

Strom Thurmond for one......

Look it up yourself.

It was conservatives both Democrat and Republican who voted against civil rights.

What is a bumper sticker epitaph?”

“they are one liners with no reenforcing proof. Ya know, 98% of your posts?

So ya got Strum. Who else pray tell?”

“Robert Byrd”

“Where's Violin?

Nigal, the south was solidly Democrat until about the '60s.

Civil rights and other issues drove the south into the arms of the Republicans party.

Its a fact Jackie.”

“"They don't count as democrats, because as soon as the dems pushed Civil Rights, all of those cool dudes except for Zell Miller turned republican."

Idiot


Of coooourse they don’t count, Idiot. Democrats are good guys, Republicans are bad guys. I am aware of the thinking of the average “liberal”.




"Nigal, those Democrats of yesteryear would be Republicans now. THere has been a shift in "the force"."

Mark O


Of coooourse they would be, Mark. Democrats are good guys, Republicans are bad guys. I am aware of the thinking of the average “liberal”. Just as good "liberals" believe that Al Sharpton and Kwame Mfume aren't racist. Just as good "liberals" believe that affirmative action isn't racist or sexist.


The south is STILL solidly Democrat, Marky-Mark. Check the voter roles me boyo. They may not always vote the party line in presidential races, but then the south has a history of succession. They especially don’t seem to like goose stepping with smart-ass, northeastern, know-it-all “liberals”.”

“Nigal - You have the greatest research tool in history right at your fingertips.

Do a google search for dixiecrats and one for nixon's southern strategy.”

“From 1932 until 1944, the Democratic Party was held together by the political leadership and personal charisma of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Urban machines, labor unions, intellectual liberals and Southern reactionaries, despite their differences, were all Democrats. With the death of FDR, the party divided into its natural components, and a fractured organization faced the presidential election of 1948.
At its national convention, the party passed a strong (for the times) civil rights plank, a position fully endorsed by the party's presidential nominee, Harry S. Truman of Missouri, who had served as Roosevelt's vice president since their election in 1944.

Enraged at this positive stance on civil rights, many white Southern delegates literally walked out of the convention. There were several consequences. This was one of the first national conventions to be televised, and viewers at home could actually see the angry withdrawal from their party of white segregationists. Also, the camera continued to show their empty chairs, dramatically revealing to blacks and white liberals that these Democrats were motivated firstly by racism.

Hey there, arcy-arc!!”

“So if we have a flood of dixiecrats going to the republican party how does this weaken the republican views on equal rights for the minorities? You guys are making sound like everyone switched sides.”

“Nigal, Nowhere in Mark's post does it say those delegates switched sides(Zell Miller has said that he’ll be a Democrat for life). It just shows that there are bigots in the Democratic Party as well. It would surprise me greatly if Nathan Bedford Forrest (The founder of the KKK) wasn’t a Democrat.


One of my favorite anecdotes from Bias is when Goldberg relates a conversation he had with a New York “liberal”. In total disbelief that Richard Nixon could have won the election, “I don’t know any one who voted for Nixon”, she said. Bwaaaahahahaha! Nixon carried 49 states but this “liberal” doesn’t even bother to talk with anyone whose beliefs don’t agree with her own. Liberal means open-minded, yeah…right.

Many “liberals”, like religious fundamentalists, believe in the moral superiority of their beliefs. And no matter how you try to get them to self-examine, they ignore anything that doesn’t fit neatly into their own dogma. Humanity’s capacity for self-deception is staggering. “I cannot be a bigot, it’s those other folks who are bigots.”

Here are two sites where "open-minded" people can continue to hang out with other "open-minded" people:


http://www.demdates.com/

http://democratsingles.com/”

“No one came right out and said it arc but the assumption is made that it’s the democrats who are strong on civil rights and the repubs who are weak on it because all the dixicrats jumped sides, thereby somehow “purifying” the democrat party and making the repubs a party of bigots.

Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

I caught This American Life this weekend on NPR and they talked about the republican party and it’s diversity in comparison to the democratic party’s diversity. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! They were getting it right! They did a wonderful job showing how diverse the republican party is. That’s why I love NPR. If a liberal media outlet says something like this it just lends even more validity to the issue.”

“1. NPR is a good exaple of a news source that attempts and generally succeeds in remaining unbiased in its reporting. Non-news segments from public radio are another thing altogether.

2. The minority vote generally belongs to the democrats. Does anyone care to try to explain why?”

“Phead - As much as I love NPR, ALL media are bias to a point. NPR has always had, at least in my area, a real sore spot from the cuts in funding by past Republican leaders. If you listen objectivly to the broadcast, the can see the bias.



In other news, did anyone hear the one about according to the U.N., the invasion of Iraq is concidered Illegal?

Those damn old Euros just won't let it die, eh? I know that the right doesn't want the U.N. in our faces, and some will go so far to say that maybe we should pull out of the UN, or that they are not a "legit" thing anymore. I can see it now:

UN: We feel that you did an illegal thing by invading a sovern country, destablized it and beat the living hell out of it, just so that you, the US, *didn't want to fight them here". Is there a motion?

Syria: Yeah. I move the sanction the US, put up embargos until the Dictator of the US gets rid of all of there WMD. They have proven to be out of control and are a threat to us, countries around them and the world!

UN: Any votes?

*the whole room raises their hands*

UN: Do you have anything to say before we pass the resolution?

US: Yeah. You guys suck. Old Eurpoe sucks and we think that the UN is not a legit IGO. You come in our boarders, there's gonna be problems.

Saddam: YEAH! That's what I said and look where it got me!

US: Ah, crap. Who let Saddam outta the spiderhole?

Blam!”

“Nigal is correct. The Republican Party is the 'big tent' party.



The kind of big tent you can wear over your head with eyeholes.”

“"The kind of big tent you can wear over your head with eyeholes....."

You mean like that dood from Fat Albert?”

“Hmmmm, is that tent white, ViOlIn?”

“Ding, ding, ding!”

“Rhetoric alert! Rhetoric alert! Same dumb attempts different election.

Robert KKK Byrd must be V's hero.”

“The U.N., laqtis? Bwaaaahahahah!

The News Hour had an interesting piece last night about the “genocide” going on right now in Sudan. The U.N. has done nothing. If you haven’t heard, check this out:

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=africa&c=sudan

The U.S. was voted from its seat on the U.N. Human Rights Commission. In the last few years seats were given to Libya, Syria and Sudan.

The U.N., laqtis? The U.N. is largely a joke.”

“Why should we even go into Sudan? They pose no threat to us.”

“WMD?”

“Not only that, Nigal, they don't have any oil!

I wonder why France isn't interested in helping them either?”

“The UN is a leaderless immobile hoard, and therefore should be abandoned in favor of unilateral action to enforce UN resolutions.”

“Holy #&%!$ Phaedrus is starting to make sense ;)”

“We are the only remaining Super Power. Reagan was right. That is why so many foreigners hate us.”

“Looks like old Wesley Clark actually IS a smart guy. He wants nothing to do with a Kerry admin and turned down any cabinet job thrown his way. Kerry's going for Edwards and Clark. I wonder what Dean's job will be? Looks like he's trying to build a admin full of losers.”

“I think anyone who hates Bush needs to take a serious look at the way Kerry has run his campaign.

He will run the Presidency the same way.”

“Riiiight. Presidential candidates run their presidency the same way they run their campaigns. Brilliant.

That's why dubya is so against Nationbuilding just like he was during the campaign. Please get a grip on reality and THEN post.”

“What would Kerry do as President that he is not doing as a candidate?”

“Now now Phaed! Acording to the defenses of Kerry's flip flopping every man has a right to change his mind. LOL!

”

“You know, it was possible to fight the war in Iraq without completely antagonizing Europe and the UN.

The UN and NATO were possible face-saving routes out of Iraq. But these routes were closed off from the start because of this administration's rhetoric.

Good foreign policy is about options. You take a course of action knowing that you can take three paths later on. If things go bad, you take another one.

Bush banked on one option. It has failed. Now the UN won't help. NATO won't help.

The only thing to do now is partition the country in a very loose three part confederation. Then get a bunch of Arab states to come on in. The Saudis, Moroccans, Pakistanis and others will take over.

That kind of plan will buy about a year of peace. That will allow us time to leave the country and try to build up a PR wall to protect us from the international condemnations when Iraq falls into civil war.”

“I think Nigal and Phaedrus are astute political observers.

I don't understand how they can post messages/pictures that are so inappropriate.”

“RL, You just summed up about a half-year of argument between me and Mutt.”

“Hey. The administration just summed it up for us in their new Iraq Scenarios report.

Looks pretty bleak...”

“Also, I do think that a Bush reelection would not be all bad.

The best scenario, although not likely, is a tied electoral vote count in which the Republican house votes Bush in as President, a Democratic Senate votes Edwards in as VP and the Senate blocks every bill and court nominee that Bush ever sends to Congress.

Bush alone.”

“?”

“!”

“Talk about flip flopping...

April 13: "Can you ever win the war on terror? Of course you can."
July 19: "I have a clear vision and a strategy to win the war on terror"
August 30: "I don't think you can win it." source: NYT, Aug. 31, 04”

“Hey, what about my opinion? It should count for something! Come on, you people... do what I say. It's right just because I say it is!”

“The Republicans control the House and Senate.

....And the Presidency!!!”

“Sure, bbw

But if the battleground states swing in a particular way - just a few of them - the electoral college will deadlock.

A deadlocked election is decided in the House and Senate. The House votes by state delegation for President. This would reelect Bush.

The Senate votes for VP. The Senate is, actually, in play this year. It is still more likely that the Republicans will maintain control, but the Democrats could turn it. If they did, they would take over in time to elect a Democratic VP.

The problem I see is that if Kerry wins, he'll likely have a Republican Congress and an impossible situation to deal with in Iraq. The Republicans will take potshots and try to blame the inevitable retreat on Kerry.

If Bush gets reelected and the Democrats get the Senate, they'll pay him back for four years of exile. Nothing will get done.

And Bush will have to sleep in his own bed. It'll be a slow, painful, four year twist in the wind.

RL's dark side would love to see that.”