John Kerry for President!!!!!

“Still the best thread EVER!!”

“BTW- I have heard the estimates that say as many as 70% of the Kerry votes were simply "he's not Bush" votes.”
Nigal
5:00:58 PM


Didn't you once say that your vote was an "anything but Kerry" vote?

Just curious.”

“Tree, the anything but Kerry was me.

Do not like Bush spending
Do not like Bush position on abortion.

Do not like Kerry position on defense since he got anti-war religion. Also no ideas on Iraq other than the hope that France, Germany, and Russia will suddely help US with Bush gone, they won't.
Think Kerry spending would be worse than Bush based on his stated spending plan.
Do not like Kerry domestic record on Healthcare and firearms.
Kerry comes from the Senate where decisions are made by committee, better to have a Governor who has experience in an executive position. Reagan and Clinton were Governors, Bush I, Dole, and Gore were committee people.

Dean was/is a viable candidate.
last edited: 11/22/04 9:24:07 AM”

“I think there were a lot of you folks that were not totally sold on Bush, but were turned off enough by Kerry to vote for Captain Putz!”

“Mine was, and I'm proud of it.

What keeps buffoons and fools in power is the idea that the Party is more important then the person.

How many of you sold your vote for lower tax's? Knew that Bush was a bad deal, but didn't want your tax's to go up?

Sooner or later we will have to pay for our outrageous spending.

Fiscal Conservatives my ass.”

“"Didn't you once say that your vote was an "anything but Kerry" vote?

Just curious.”

Yes, absolutely. Never said it wasn't. It wasn't the 70% (or whatever) but the fact that this leaves only 30 some % that even believed in Kerry.

"but were turned off enough by Kerry to vote for Captain Putz!”

I'm concerned for you TreeB. I don't want your bitterness to make you go crazy. Maybe it's time for one of those post election shrinks? j/k LOL!”

“"Sooner or later we will have to pay for our outrageous spending.

Fiscal Conservatives my ass.”

I couldn't agree more! If Bush wasn't trying to play liberal and pouring money into programs that are dead ends just to please the left we wouldn't be in this hole. He needs to be MORE conservative.”

“Oh yea, Bush is well known for trying to please the left......”

“I don't think Bush is trying to please the left. He may be trying to buy off a few special interest groups, or at least reduce their fervor - or he may be trying to bankrupt government to make all kinds of programs impossible.”

“I think it's a lsoy cause myself because nothing he could would please the left. He could shlt golden eggs and it wouldn't be pleasing to them.”

“I saw Kerry's web video last night. Good gawd this guy is so out of touch with reality. He blamed Fox, Sinclair Broadcasting and conservative radio for losing. I thought it was Bin Lauden's fault? It's neither. He was and still is, a lame duck.”

“So Kerry can't seem to take a position on why he lost?

Hmmmmm.....”

“My personal opinion on Kerry. The Democrats knew they weren't going to beat Bush so they picked an opponent that they knew would lose. I think they have their sites set on the election in 2008. I think they will go all out on this election. I just hope they don't think Hillary is the right choice.

Can't remember where I read this but someone said a C. Rice vs H. Clinton would be interesting for Pres. in 08.

Who would you vote for if that happened in 08.”

“Kerry is right on. The fascist propoganda machine beat him.”

“No, his wishy washy no-stance image beat him. But as I have said before, please keep blaming everyone but the left because if ya don't recognize something's broke ya ain't gonna fix it. :)”

“Well if you think that BB then you're more delusional than we thought. Maybe you are Kerry's love child.”

“Well, lets see here folks. The vast majority of people who listened to conservative talk radio, and watched Foxnews think that there are still WMD's in Iraq. Where did they learn this? FoxNews and conservative talk radio. If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself. And, if you think that isn't done on purpose, you're crazy.

So, if a media organization continues to feed lies to the masses, it's called propoganda, ya know, you propogate your platform, your ideals.

Propoganda is what keeps the masses in line in fascist regimes.

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"
Joseph Goebbels (Nazi Propoganda Chief)

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion."
Joseph Paul Goebbels

"We have made the Reich by propaganda"
Joseph Paul Goebbels

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Paul Goebbels

"We are entering the Reichstag, in order that we may arm ourselves with the weapons of democracy from its arsenal. We shall become Reichstag deputies in order that the Weimar ideology should itself help us to destroy it."
Joseph Paul Goebbels

"What good fortune for those in power that the people do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
--Adolf Hitler

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
-- Joseph Goebbels

"We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear's work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutral."

-- Joseph Goebbels

Propoganda definition:

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete and balanced picture. The primary use of the term is in political contexts and generally refers to efforts sponsored by governments and political parties.

The goal of propaganda is either to win a support of or to defeat a certain position, rather than to simply present the position. The primary target of propaganda is people's opinions, rather than their knowledge. Therefore the information conveyed is often presented in an emotionally loaded way and with other means of effecting the opinions of people.”

““The vast majority of people who listened to conservative talk radio, and watched Foxnews think that there are still WMD's in Iraq. Where did they learn this? FoxNews and conservative talk radio.”

Pure bull chit. Fox and talk radio aren’t even saying this. If so show me some actual sources of these claims within the recent past.

“So, if a media organization continues to feed lies to the masses, it's called propoganda, ya know, you propogate your platform, your ideals.”

For someone who supported Kerry so firmly I find it funny how you have such a problem with lies. How many lies did Kerry get busted on? And you make it sound like Kerry never used propaganda. HA! I hate painting a whole group as being blind and I won’t do it now. However I think your next prescription is going to be a damn dog.”

“Remember the debates? Bush got trounced in the first debate because Kerry was suing the truth and facts. Bush came out in the last two, repeating lies. Propoganda. Foxnews and Rush Limbuagh advance the republican agenda, which is mostly propaganda to deliver thier message, not the facts or the truth. When a vast majority of people who watch those mediums, and vote based on that agenda, which are proven lies, Kerry's take is right on.”

“Nigal, the information has been posted here before, use your research skills and look it up. I'm done trying to educate you.

As far as the alleged Kerry lies:

"What good fortune for those in power that the people do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

Looks like Bush was very fortunate to have your vote.”

“I find it very telling that look to men like Hitler for insight...

And ya wanna school US on propaganda? Jeezus, what a phucktard.”

“Actually propaganda is information showing only one viewpoint.

Sort of like presenting the deficit as being solely caused by the GWB tax cuts, when in fact the largest contributor to the deficit are automatic increases in, and additional people drawing from the Social Security and Medicare benefit programs. The 800lb gorilla in the US budget that neither side (Dem, Repub) are prepared to do anything about because it would be political suicide.

Both side present data that shows themselves as looking better = propaganda.

Neither side will make any statement to tackle the biggest budget problem - FDR (SS) and LBJ (Medicare) retirement Ponsi schemes that rely on a growing workforce, and which are now gradually collapsing.
The only action taken that will prop these up is easing immigration restrictions, but that will defer not solve the problem.”

“Wow, I didn't expect a cut and paste of all the old propaganda quotes, really I didn't. Well, ok, I did.”

“You seem like a pretty well informed person who is pretty reasonable when you’re not obviously trolling manaku, so your last post surprises me.

I’ve read more than one analysis, like these:
http://www.cbpp.org/4-29-03bud.htm
http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
that show that most of the deficit is caused by the Bush tax cuts.

Either they are wrong and I’ve been misinformed, or you are.

Social Security is in pretty good shape and the projected shortfalls are far less than the net effect of the tax cuts, if they are made permanent. The reason it is in good shape is that in the 1980’s, the Greenspan commission on SS convinced Congress to raise the payroll tax resulting in a couple of decades of surpluses. After Bush was elected, Greenspan used those surpluses to argue for Bush’s tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy because (he said) we were in danger of paying off the debt too fast. Now he is arguing that the deficit is so large that we must cut SS benefits.

This was a planned crisis.

If anyone had argued for increasing payroll taxes on the middle class so the rich could pay less taxes while cutting social programs that benefit the vast majority of Americans, there would be a revolution. However, the populace is too busy trying to make a living to understand that is exactly what has been done right under their noses.

BB’s charge of propaganda sticks on this one.
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“"BB’s charge of propaganda sticks on this one."

Well if V says so it must be. LOL! To try and claim media propaganda is silly because you can't sit there with a straight face and say the bulk of media wasn't pushing Kerry's own agendas...or can you?”

“Go put your thinking cap on and come back later if you want Nigal.”

“Nice dodge...”

“The truth shal set you free...

(as opposed to fox, LOL)”

“I'm not sure I've ever seen a whole segment of Fox news. Probably been 6 months since I've seen any of the others, either.

SS just seems like a minefield.”

“http://www.tuftsdaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419d9928aafe0

....Many of the questions directed to Rooney were about journalism, a profession that Rooney said he loves so much that he "can't imagine doing anything else with my life."

Rooney's own show, "60 Minutes," was involved in a public and politically charged flap when it unwittingly used false documents in a Dan Rather piece on Bush's National Guard service.

"I am very critical of some of the people at CBS who make it apparent what their political leanings are," Rooney said. "That's what happened to this thing of Dan Rather's that got out. There's no question they wanted to run it because it was negative towards Bush."....




Vileman didn't put his thinking cap on.”

“There's no media bias against Bush. V, said so.”

“http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/197676, Y'all!”

“bad link”

“How's prison treating you?”

“Tiltypoo gets all angry and starts calling people ugly names when a fact pops up in his way. LOL
last edited: 11/23/04 1:00:30 PM”

“bbw is Martha Stewart??? LOL”

“Prison Bltch


You are sent in for life to pay for all your crimes
No chance to get out you will do your time
You think that you are tough, no one will #&%!$ with you
To them you are fresh meat. You have no clue

Horror, what you will see
A bltch, is what you will be
Doing, whatever they want
Because, you were caught

The Kool-Aid on your face
You look just like a kunt
Now you know your just
A worthless prison slut

You are the victim now, you get it up the ass
You get what you deserve, you worthless piece of trash
You suck all their dix, for small bags of chips
A fag is what you are, you worthless piece of shlt”

“Subtle Nigal, for this family oriented site LOL.”

“I'm trying to be more low key of late...”

“That liberal propadandist agenda was tearin' it up during the vast amount of "insert republican charges that led to nowhere - gate" hearings that took place during the 90's. Clinton was being slammed by all media more than a whore in (insert random tele-evangelist here) dressing room.”

“Nice tele-evangelist ref there. Pretty funny. What was that Steve Martin movie where he was a faith healer?”

“Can't recall dh, good flick though!”

““I saw Kerry's web video last night. Good gawd this guy is so out of touch with reality. He blamed Fox, Sinclair Broadcasting and conservative radio for losing. I thought it was Bin Lauden's fault? It's neither. He was and still is, a lame duck.”
Nigal
7:40:20 AM
11/23/04


Nigal just repeats right wing lies: Conservatives claimed Kerry "blamed" FOX News for election defeat”

“Oh come on V. If that's not excuse making I don't know what is. And who said I saw it on Fox?”

“You still maintain that you actually saw the video?

Good one!”

“Not an answer.

You actually saw the video and thought he was blaming "Fox, Sinclair Broadcasting and conservative radio for [his] losing"?”

“I did not think he was coming right out and saying "I lost because of these mean people.". He was obviousely throwing it out there as excuse though. Which is silly because, who watches fox...mostly conservatives. Who listens to conservative radio...conservatives. The only attacking I saw Sinclair doing was in their editorial spots and they were, quite frankly, spot on.”

“Poor Johnny, couldn't even get all of his own electors to vote for him.”

“Heehee! This thread still makes my face light up and brings a big smile to my face! :)”