Nader Sell Out?

“According to "Anonymous" sources, Ralph Nader WILL announce he is running for president.

These same sources state that he is being paid by the republicans to run and that the money for his campaign will come from Republican contributors.

Think there is any truth behind it?

My personal opinion is that since Bush stands for everything that Nader is against and is so blatently using the presidency to aid and abet his energy cronies if Nader really cared, he would stay out of the race.

Either the rumors are true or the man is as self centered an egotist you will find. If he runs, it's for his ego, not to forward any issues.

Perhaps his campaign should be titled "unelectable at any level"”

“Outta the 'net areas of news I mainly convet, Fox is the only one saying he's running. Supposedly, the announcement happens this weekend. IF it happens, he will do worse than he did last time, when he gave Bush the White House. People are pissed at young Bush, and he will pay with his Presidency.....”

“It wouldn't suprise me all that much if Rove is behind the Nadar move. I don't think he'll announce - really really late, no party affiliation - he'll have a hard time qualifying for the ballot in a lot of states (without a part affiliation that is). He wasn't on the NC ballot the last time, even with the Green party backing him.

If he does run - he won't have the same effect and energy that he did 4 years ago - he's been too quiet these past 4 years. He shot his wad and it was lame.”

“Right on, Roam. Him and the Greens have been at odds since the last election run. Me thinks this is just wishful thinking......smoke and mirrors......Rove and the family making a funny!”

“Heard the same thing,, don't think it will be 'green party' ticket though and he likely won't be on every state ballot.

Funded by the Repubs??? Is that like Moveon.org being bipartisan and unbais. Seen any commercials raggin on the Dem's,,,

man,, it would be interesting to see Nader and Dean on the ballot come Nov.


WTH is a 'progressive' liberal?”

“Imagine 1% of Democratic vote gone in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and New Mexico.

This is a big time concern for Democrats.

But there is a revolt on the conservative side of Bush, too.

Do more conservative voters stay home than Nader takes from the Democrats? I think so.

I have a gut feeling that this election will not be as close as it seems. I think the Democrat will win in a walk.”

“Typical Democrats wanting to censor a persons first amendment right to free speech.”

“"Typical Democrats wanting to censor a persons first amendment right to free speech."

Yeh right, The democrats iniated and passed the Patriot Act.

Evidently you do not lest the facts get in the way of your statements”

“I'm afraid Ralph does have an ego problem. He better not screw up like last time.

I think it sets a new standard for 'wacky' to suggest he might take a payoff from Republicans. (Not that they wouldn't try, you understand.... LOL)”

“One would think the demos would have learned their lesson last year and address the demos that voted for Nader. The votes are not the demos to lose they are for the people to give to whom they want. Blame the party being out of touch with the voters not the person that attracts the votes.”

“"Typical Democrats wanting to censor a persons first amendment right to free speech......."

IT LIVES!!!!”

“Republicans may noy help Nader financially, but I wouldn't put it past them to help Nader get onto the ballots in any of the close states.”

“Democrats can't appeal too heavily to their fringe or they'll alienate the middle.

If those on the far left would rather 'send a message' than vote for the establishment candidate, we'll have another four years of BUSH and we'll all be SCREWED.”

“(I AM one of the Fringe -- so I know, LOL)”

“Four more wars!
Four more wars!
Four more wars!”

“I considered voting for him in 2000 but I have to say that Nader is an egotistical dickwad and anyone who votes for him this time is a enemy of good government and a tool of the far right.”

“I wrote him in last time, but I'm here in Republican Central so it was like a drop in the bucket. This area went for Dubya in a landslide and will probably do so again.

I wonder what job market is like in some of those 'battleground' states... ?”

“If the democrats don't appeal too much to the fringe, they'll get votes from the middle. We'll get four years of KERRY and we'll all be SCREWED.”

“Four more wars!”

“Let's do Iran, N. Korea, Syria, Cuba.”

“Hell no, we won't glow!”

“We will, if we get someone in office who doesn't have the guts to take out the people who wouldn't mind making us glow.”

“Cuba???

Oh yeah, they are just waitin' for us to let down our guard, WHAM!

They will come swarming ashore and take over!”

“"Guts" with no brain is quite a dangerous combination, as we have seen recently. Suppose an ACTUAL THREAT appears on the horizon while the Goofball has us tied up in Iraq?”

“The Jackass in Chief has neither guts nor brains!”

“Anyone who thinks Iraq wasn't a threat is just as dangerous as Saddam or Osama.”

“Are we not men? we are DEMO, dee eee emm oh. give me a 'brake',Gore would have been worse than the other four letter word is.”

“Oooooo, I'm dangerous!!!!


Iraq's third, no.....fourth, no......fifth-rate military couldn't even defend its own country.

Aw, what's the use?

Bison, give my e-mail address to Homeboy Security, would ya?
I want to be on the "enemy list".”

“"....oh. give me a 'brake',Gore would have been worse than the other four letter word is."
uncliff
05:06:41 PM


A characterization is impossible to prove either right or wrong.

One thing for sure is that we would not have the petroleum industry so imbedded in the government with the other guy in the Whitehouse.”

“It's the idea that's dangerous.
Saddam defied, defied, defied. Again and Again his obligations under the peace treaty ending the first Gulf War (grounds for war alone), and yet all we ever did was pinprick him, a bombing here and there. Over 12 years he became steadily more confident. If he had not been faced down he would have eventually persued his nuclear programs again (If you don't think so you're numb, or completely oblivious). A known terrorist supporter + a nuclear weapon = Don't need a big army.”

“"A known terrorist supporter"

And just whom did he support?

Talk about "numb", you are just echoing what our numbskull president has said.

And HE is a proven liar!”

“It's very sad that almost no one is talking about the genocide going on in Africa. Hundreds of thousands of people are being killed and we hear about what Saddam did 10 years ago? Why do we hear nothing about the terrorists training camps and the support they get from say...Somolia. Why? NO OIL!!!”

“Recent wars have been about protecting commerce(OIL), not security.

Hussein became steadily more confident???

His army was a joke in '91 and it was even worse off last year.”

“What'd you go to the Madeline Halfbright school of foreign policy? Saddam bragged about his support of terrorist organizations. He gave millions to families of Suicide bombers and was closely linked to Islamic Jihad (the only other terrorist organization whose members have carried out an attack on US soil). Where did the core of the Al Qaeda organization come from? Answer: Islamic Jihad.”

“Circular logic......”

“There's plenty of Oil in Africa. It's never been developed to the point that if supply we're cut off it would be a security issue. It's a lot harder to sell a humanitarian war than a security war.”

“If you can't get your mind through that circle you could end up with hundreds of thousands of your people dead. Or more likely a nutso dictator in charge of the worlds major energy source, and a global economic crisis.”

“Yes but Haliburten would have to invest alot more in infrastructure.”

“and we'd have to go in and kick out the dictators and install democracies. Then Halliburton and other Oil firms would develop the resources leading to an economic boom. Now the Africans would have Democracy and economic viability and the liberals would have one less problem in the world to #&%!$ about.”

“Iraq is a democracy?”

“It already has infrastructure”

“yes it has some oil infrastructure but not on the level of the middle east.”

“"It's a lot harder to sell a humanitarian war than a security war......"

Very true, however, the presidence was set with Kosovo, so this time 'round, we might make beter progress. Yes, Saddam did support Hamas bombers in Israel. Saudie does too! By this thinking, we should be heading south and take them out, no?”

“A vote for Nader is a vote for the environment.”

“The Saudis don't have a history of gasing their own people, or trying to develop nuclear weapons. They don't present the same threat.”

“We knew we could achieve our goals without going in on the ground. If sending in ground troops had been part of the deal I seriously doubt we would have gone in.”

“Well... Iraq *did* have a modern infrastructure before we bombed it a dozen years ago --- after the Previous Bush admin rep Glaspie equivocated and our good friend Saddam invaded Kuwait (well, not MY friend, per se; he was much closer to 'superpatriots' like Reagan and Rumsfeld -- while he was gassing his own people.)

The folks at Bush Incorporated publicly admitted that there were no ties between Saddam and al Qaida months ago. Did you miss that somehow?

I heard quite a few people familiar with Iraq say so BEFORE the war, but their opinions were discounted by Bush and his followers.

(Those same people said al Qaida would try to move in to take advantage of the situation... and guess what?)

I also heard quite a few people familiar with WMD in Iraq like Scott Ritter say they had been destroyed BEFORE the war. Again, their opinions were discounted by Bush and his acolytes.

(I believe detect a pattern emerging.)

You've heard all the other examples from mythical uranium ore to non-existant chemical-wielding UAVs and STILL believe the guy, so what's the point, really? We're not talking about logic anymore; it's become an issue of 'faith': some sort of personality cult.


I'm really trying to give the Subsequent Bush the benefit of the doubt and say he's a vacuous figurehead rather than a crook. But if you insist that he's such a smart guy....”

“If we hadn't of gone to war, and we ended up being attacked. I could blame the President for not paying attention to all the evidence we had that Saddam was continuing to develop weapons and hadn't gotten rid of his previous stores. Which way do you want it?”

“I've been fortunate enough to meet both Bush and Kerry, and see them speak impromptu in a not outwardly political setting (any setting in Wasington has some political undercurrent). I wouldn't say that either is more intelligent than the other. They're both above average if not well above average.”