2004 Presidential Election Results

“George W. Bush 55+ %

Democratic Challenger 40- %

Ralph Nader 5 %”

“Not if I can help it.”

“Luke 3

Red Socks 7”

“Bush 51
Kerry 47
Nader 2”

“I think that's a pretty accurate prediction, although, I'd put Bush winning by maybe 5 %.”

“Frankly, I see it this way:

Kerry 55%
Bush 42%
Nader 3%
Cheney 5-10 (minimum security)”

“LOL @ Tree! Good one.


Depends on IF Kerry has enough sence to put Clark on his ticket. If that's the case:

Kerry/Clark :68%

Nader/Whoever: 30%

Bush/Quail: 2%”

“"George W. Bush 55+ %

Democratic Challenger 40- %

Ralph Nader 5 %"

Maybe in Florida!”

“This could be interesting.......a TT betting pool on the Election!?!”

“Anything outside of a 5 point margin, in this political climate, is wishful thinking on either side.”

“you could be right bison. However, things are a lot different today than they were last time. I'm not saying this to spread any propaganda:

More of my Repub friends are threw with Bush this time around. Last tme, everything was pretty much split 50/50 amoung the people I talk to. There is much more of a move toward throwing him out, from people who I would never expected. The only supporters I can find, through my research is not exact, are those who feel you don't though a sitting Pres outta office.

What ever the case, as I've said before, this is turning out to be one hell of a hum dinger of a race!”

“chili36

Luke 3



I win.”

“At this point in the election cycle those attitudes are not unusual at all. People see someone in office who hasn't been the knight in shining armor they expected. And a new guy is presented to them unblemished. As time goes on the new guy will get blemished and many of those people will start to move back. Once they see that in their eyes both candidates are a$$es they go back to the one that they're more ideologically in line with.”

“More of my Repub friends are threw with Bush this time around

If conservative online forums are any indication, I would agree with this, laqtis. However, this isn't the entire story. The other half of this sentiment is that there is despair from lack of alternatives. It seems to me that most conservatives concur that a libertarian vote is a democratic vote, and they sure aren't going to vote for a democrat that's going to take away their guns, raise their taxes, and legalize gay marriage. So, as much as they detest Bush's sellout on guns, and his government expansion, and his attack on civil liberties - he's the only option they have.”

“My parents will vote for Bush again. They are the most thoroughly indoctrinated people I know.”

“Mutt - I hear what yer saying. I should have been more exact in what I am drawing from, which are the people I interact with daily in person. I know that the sheeple can be swaded, if properly marketed, but this time around, it just seems different. People I talk to everyday that would have rather cut a ball off than vote Dem are now concidering it because of the way has handled these last four years. I'm just reflecting what I see, nothing more, nothing less.”

“who's luke 3?”

“who's luke 3?

Uh oh, looks like the troll patrol is on duty.”

“Nobody's going to take your guns away.

Some of the unemployed may have to hock their guns for food if Dubya stays in office.”

“Some of the unemployed may have to hock their guns for food if Dubya stays in office

Dude, Peak Oil has come and gone. In 20 years, we'll all be struggling to get food. Dubya is one president who will ensure the remaining oil resources will be flowing to America rather than the EU or red China.”

“At 2 bucks a gallon, Mutt?”

“under the guise of the war on terrorism, of course”

“They're predicting over $3 bucks a gallon in some locations this summer. And that's only the beginning. World output has declined since 2000. Demand has risen. The great Oil Crash is here.”

“You can give me all the 'shortage' reasons you want. It's all BS and you know it. The only really shortage here is the size of the hairs these motherless pukes have us by...”

“heh. Actually I don't know what to think about Peak Oil. Have you read about it online, treebeard? Interesting stuff, even if you don't completely buy into it.”

“I will look that up...”

“WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!”

“Well, if rEd cHiNa or EU get no oil, won't that effect the U.S.?

Bio Fuel is the way to go to get from under the boot of BIG OIL.”

“Phuck! 3 bones per gallon this Summer would bury Bush in November.

Looks like I'd better hussle up and sell my BAV (Big Ass Van).”

“The Goofball is Toast and so are all his ass-kissers.


Yeah, I got Bush-loving relatives, too. They have bumper stickers that say "Greed is Good".



(or is it 'God'? Hmmmm....)”

“Three buck a gallon gas will do one good thing----REDUCE CONSUMPTION.It's a shame ,but our style of living can only be moderated with price.The good part is when oil returns to lower prices then a value added tax can be applied to pay for all of these stupid 'OIL WARS'.”

“Understandable, uncliff. I'm sure that you remember the '70's situation and it's effects. Too bad that situation didn't teach us a lesson. Oil effects the price of everything consumable. Drive up the price of oil to 3 bucks would really bloody our noses.

WoW! I just had a thought:
Might be a power play to get teh US really, and I mean REALLY pissed at Saudie to that the support would be there to go in?”

“Go in.......go in, to Sodomy Arabia?


Are you nutz?


It is their "sacred" land!

Every Islamic Fundie Nut in the world would declare J I H A D ! ! !

............on YOUR ass!”

“It surprises me that I haven't heard anyone in the media talking about the possibilty of terrorism towards the US and other nations as being economic based.”

“$3 a gallon is still not expensive you wusses.
May make people go for the 3.0l engine rather than the 5.2l next time they buy though.”

“$3 a gallon is still not expensive you wusses.

Yes it is - watch the reverberations of that price echo throughout the economy.

I'm sure that you remember the '70's situation and it's effects. Too bad that situation didn't teach us a lesson.

That's because we hadn't reached Peak Oil yet. Production continued to rise through the 80's and 90's, resulting in cheap oil. Although oil prices may temporarily go down, soon the price will shoot through the roof due to dwindling resources and reduced production. If $3 per gallon is enough to halt economic growth, consider what $10 per gallon would do.

WoW! I just had a thought:
Might be a power play to get teh US really, and I mean REALLY pissed at Saudie to that the support would be there to go in?

Of course this would be political suicide - the old blood for oil thing. No, America will invade Saudi Arabia in the next 10 years as a response to "terrorism", although the real reason will be to secure oil resources.”

“Fricken limey bastard! Cheap energy is our divine right as Americans.”

“Three buck a gallon gas will do one good thing----REDUCE CONSUMPTION

How? Even if we reduced automobile consumption, that doesn't change the fact that the rest of society requires cheap oil to survive. Oil produces food. Oil produces plastics. Oil produces medicines. Etc. Even if we banned private autos, cheap oil will still run out, food production will plummet and food costs will skyrocket, medical care will be inaccessible to all but the very wealthy, wars will break out over dwindling resources, famine and disease will become wide-spread, and there will be a mass die-off.”

“Mutt - you're probably too young to remember this talk from the 70's. Just a few years back, the talk was of a glut in oil supply. The low prices drove out producers and OPEC is simply taking advantage of a temporary situation.

If western countries released a small fraction of their strategic reserves and made clear their determination to release more, prices would plummet. Raising fuel efficiency standards on SUVs and light trucks would have a similar, if longer term effect. Of course with Big Oil occupying the White House...”

“Violin, I remember the 70's oil crunch and prez Jimmy Cottah telling us to turn our thermostats down.

I'm just regurgitating the Peak Oil argument. It's not looking at temporary price swings like you mention. It's examining the seemingly unavoidable fact that cheaply recoverable oil is dwindling fast. It's an interesting perspective, even if it's a little tin-foil-hat alarmist.”

“The thermostat thing was Nixon, BTW.”

“That aluminum foil.....and who was the prez in '73?

The oil "embargo" in '73 was the worst by far.

Have any of you monkeys even considered BIO-FUELS?

Huh, ViOlIn?
(I'm pickin' on you!)

We can produce bio-diesel from hemp seed.”

“"We can produce bio-diesel from hemp seed......."


Fire IT up!



ooopppps!”

“Fire it up!

The buggy that is!

Rudolph Diesel intended his engine to run on hemp seed oil about 100 years ago.”

“ ”

“Ohhh... that looks nice.”

“The thermostat thing was Nixon, BTW

From Carter's "crisis of confidence" speech:

"And I'm asking you for your good and for your Nation's security to take no unnecessary trips, to use carpools or public transportation whenever you can, to park your car one extra day per week, to obey the speed limit, and to set your thermostats to save fuel. Every act of energy conservation like this is more than just common sense - I tell you it is an act of patriotism."”

“Robertson: God says it's Bush in a 'blowout' in November
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Friday he believes God has told him President Bush will be re-elected in a "blowout" in November.
"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk," Robertson said on his 700 Club program on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network, which he founded. "I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way."

Robertson told viewers he spent several days in prayer at the end of 2003.

"The Lord has just blessed him," Robertson said of Bush. "I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him."

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, a frequent Robertson critic and executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said he had a prediction of his own: "Pat Robertson in 2004 will continue to use his multimillion broadcasting empire to promote George Bush and other Republican candidates."

In a reference to Bush's political adviser, Lynn said, "Maybe Pat got a message from Karl Rove and thought it was from God."”

“Rove---God,you say they're different.My TV been broken for years.I hope that nice Bush boy can get his dad for VP instead of that dick he has.”

“There are plenty of alternatives to oil that are being supressed by big corp.'s.

Every river I drive across everyday I see untap energy. Every sunny day I bake in,,I see untap energy. Every time I see the trees bow to the wind,,I see untap energy. Every time we argue on certain subjects I see untap energy. Its all around us, when are we gonna take advantage of it.

I honestly feel we should be preparing/ investing more into our future energy needs then we are now. Because a day will come and before that day does come we need to have several things ready(the infrastructure) and we should be using what we have left now to be preparing for that day. Which reminds me,, I need more .223's.

I have actually been pricing out dual fuel furnaces. That's right wood/gas combo's to offset the cost of strictly gas. My house can't get to more efficient than it is now do to its age. I'm not fat enough to live comfortably at 60 degrees during the winter months.”