Arnold Schwitz-a-Player

“He states this to the Attorney General: Our civilized society and legal system is based upon a respect for and adherence to the rule of law. The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee. Thousands of people appear to be seeking the same unlawful certification as each day passes.


Then, he states this: California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger expressed support Sunday for allowing foreign-born citizens to run for president.

Schwarzenegger, a native of Austria, said in a television interview he would support rescinding the constitutional rule that only U.S. citizens born in the United States can become president.

WTF? You can't be gay and marry but you can be foreign and run the United States?”

“Polish up those jack boots!”

“Well, apparetnly you can if you're self-serving, wolfeyes.”

“Hey, he is in favor of CHANGING the law, not defying the law as it is written. That doesn't seem that outragious to me. Did I miss something?”

“there's a difference between breaking the law, and arguing for a change in the law.”

“Do Americans really want to change something as important as our constitution?

And for the sake of someone as questionable as Der Gropenfuhrer?”

“I don't see any difference between gay people wanting to change a law or him wanting to change a law. The only difference is that he cannot break the one he wants to change. So he has to "support changing it". If there were as many foreigners who wanted to be President as there are gay people who want to marry....

I guess we may get an Austrian born, or an Iraqi born president to run our country before american citizens Joe and John can be married. Makes sense to me.”

“IMHO- this public forum deals with backpacking and I rely on these people to have some knowledge of said. I do NOT know much about being gay!Perhaps another forum would assist you better..”

“There's nothing wrong with changing a law through the proper channels. I guess my problem with this guy is that his political career is all of 2 months old and instead of showing the state of California that he can solve their economic woes, he's making national headlines concerning changing laws about becoming the president of the United States.”

“The sad thing is that many would vote for a hack like Gropey.”

“"Treebeard ef you do not pay your taxies I vill come to your houts wit machine guns und take your money, vhen I am your Presiedent"

Sincerely
Der Gropenfurher”

“Bsin and noprob: The SF mayor is allowing gay marriages to force a change to the law. The california constitution supports this cause.”

“Damned governator!”

“err that was supposed to read Bison and Noprob:

Damn can't type.”

“Der Gropenführer, indeed.

LMAO!”

“Whoa, TB. As I understand it he wasn't going around advocating changing the Constitution so that he could run for president. He was asked by Tim Russert (I think, maybe someone else) if he favored that change in the constitution and he responded. Is he not entitled to express his opinion even? I wonld not be in favor of changing the constitution for that.”

“Der Gropenfuhrer is entitled to express his opinion and we are entitled to make comments about it.

He chose to be a public figure and he stated his opinion in public.”

“How does the California Constitution support violating a law in order to get it changed? That seems kinda strange even for California.”

“The constitution specifically states that no group can be given rights that another group is not. The mayor of SF is forcing the courts to examine the law defining marriage as betweeen a man and a woman.”

“MarkO, now you've confused me. Are you complaining because he expressed and opinion or because you don't agree with his opinion?”

“What? Jerbear's not gay?”

“Let him do that all he wants, No Prob. No criminal charges. But, I don't think I could put my support behind a man who has absolutely nothing except an impressive film career to stand behind a rather bold statement like that...



...The only difference between that and Reagan was that Reagan did not have an impressive film career.”

“Soprry, didn't mean that to sound like Reagan had no political background. Just making fun of his lousy movies!”

“Standard behavior. Keep that brown shirt in the closet 'til after the election, LOL

Orin Hatch said he was joking when suggested a constitutional amendment to allow Ahnold to run for president. I wonder what he's thinking now, after this dust-up?


Seems like quite a few people in California are of the opinion that their state constitution's prohibitions against discrimination in all its forms trumps the proposition restricting marriage to heterosexuals.”

“Aero HELL NO! RU? LOL”

“Can ya git aids from reading this kind of ponography? Mohaaaaaaaaa!”

“Tilt, It seems pretty clear to me:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or
property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the
laws; provided, that nothing contained herein or elsewhere in this
Constitution imposes upon the State of California or any public
entity, board, or official any obligations or responsibilities which
exceed those imposed by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th
Amendment to the United States Constitution ... - Snip-
(b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens.
Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked.”

“Whatever happened to Bonzo, anyway?”

“Hey Jerbear, are you SURE you're not gay?”

“NoProb, you are the one who complained, "...Is he not entitled to express his opinion?"

I said what I said and that's all what I said...............

jerbear and aero, get a room!”

“Putin would make a fine Republican candidate.”

“Violin, you're a funckin' genius!”

“Violin, is Brezhnev still alive?”

“LOL!”

“Phae- Nope ,I am straight and narrow minded.”

“Gays are not being denied the right to marry, They have the exact same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else in California.”

“A mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.”

“That's great for you Jer. You should be able to expand that narrowness with a little effort.”

“Brilliant, Bison.

Now, if you could just do something about their ability to be attracted to the opposite sex, you'd have a real chance at solving the problem.”

“Hey Wolfeyes, just out of curiousity is your stance on gay marriage still the same?”

“Sorry Phaed, not my area of expertise.”

“Neither, apparently, is equality under the law. But you've got lots of company.”

“Phaedrus, I am still not interested in it for myself. I don't agree with it for me. I support others but have reservations about its reflection on the very people who are doing it right now. I just hope that the majority who are "breaking the law", are doing so for the right reasons and not to just make a statement. But then again, making a statement sometimes needs the extremes to come out.”

“We're probably closer to agreement, then, than I'd thought.”

“I really am not the best person to ask. I have not struggled for acceptance. I have not exploited myself. I don't seperate myself from society, period. I don't know what it is like to have to struggle with identity and try to make others join in the struggle with me. A lot of what goes on, it's about acceptance.”

“What's not equal? no ones denying a gay person the right to marry someone of the opposite sex because they're gay.”

“and a straight person doesn't have the right to marry a person of the same sex just because they're straight.”

“Again, Bison, Brilliant analysis. If you refuse to see the point, you're not worth discussing this with.

Obviously, gay people should have the same right to marry someone they love and are attracted to that heterosexual people have.”

“"Obviously" is a personal distinction, it's obvious to you - and many others. But it's also not obvious to many others - Or should I say it's "obvious" to them that no one is being denied equal treatment under the law. One needs to examine that other sides thoughts on the issue.

My posts aren't necessarily to show a bias to one side of the argument of whether or not gays should be allowed to marry. I'm just looking at if I'm a conservative justice looking at this case as an equal rights case... what do I see here. Unequal treatment...No... So I would say take it up with the legislature if you want the law changed.”

“Hey, gays and lesbians are denied the right to marry........equally.”