The Passion!!!!!

“You have to watch it Pottymouth; you're grossing out the bigots with your foul language. You know they have delicate constitutions and can't take such language. Poor bacpac will have nightmares now instead of sweet dreams about crematoriums and such.”

“She has nothing.”

“hell of a lot more then you!

hell, even a piece of dog turd has more then both of you put together.”

“Geobeet, It is inappropriate for the forums. Grow up.”

“this has turned stupid real quick”

“"Nigal we had a thread last week. Nowslimmer spotted me. I don't know who the other newbies are."

That was the lamest outting of a troll I have ever seen. One speculation and you caved in and admitted you were bacpac. Sorry, no go.

What color was the stuff sack the filter came in that you sent me?”

“yup it has.
going to go out and have a very nice lunch and take a nice walk.

enjoy yourselves trolls!”

“this has turned stupid real quick"
StormBringer
01:10:19 PM
03/01/04

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As soon as Mapleleaf posted...”

“Don't choke.”

“Bright Red or Blue. Can't remember. You got an extra filter too.

I gotta get back to work. Maybe someone will explain the new name. I thought it was kind of cute.”

“actually every post on here that isnt mine is stoopidd

=D”

“Just so's I know who I'm ignoring. LOL!”

“He claimed to be a king while under Roman rule. Any king other than the Creaser is killed. This is the only charge the Romans could have had on him.

Ni Nigal! Good point. Although the "real" reason Christ died was for spiritual reasons, from His own doings, in order to get the actual legal death order, there had to be a reason. Neither Pilate nor Herod found anything worthy of death in Jesus, so they didn't want Him crucified. It was then that the Pharisees brought the charge of Jesus claiming to be a "king", and appealed to Pilate from this perspective. All of a sudden these Pharisees were praising Caesar as the only legitimate king. Even then, Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus. It is also notable that Pilate had the inscription "King Of The Jews" placed above the Jesus' cross. The Pharisees protested saying, "it shouldn't say that Jesus is the King of the Jews, but that he only CLAIMED to be King of the Jews." Pilate said it stands as it is. Hmmmm. Interesting insight into Pilate.”

“I have butterflies just anticipating going to see this movie. Even greater than before going to see Saving Private Ryan (the greatest effort in cinamagraphic history).

I´ll bite the bullet, and catch a show...

tomorrow(?).”

“Buck, weather the priests were the ones who told Pilate he claimed it or weather Jesus told Pilate he claimed it, that was the charge he was executed for.

Mar 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

If you do a Google search on the historical Pilate you will find that the Gospels do not portray him very accurately. Pay special attention to Flavius Joshephus’ Antiquities of the Jews as well as Philo’s accounts of him.”

“Who had authority to impose the death penalty in 1st Century Judea, ruled by Rome ?

The Roman Governor? - absolutely

The puppet Judean King, Herod ? - Sure, look at John the Baptist's head on a plate, because a lap dancer (Salome) wanted it as a favor. Look at the 'slaughter of the innocents' when Herod though there was a challenge to his position.

Herod did not have Jesus killed. He certainly seemed to have the authority, but Jesus did not threaten him. It would appear that he did not care a flying @#$% what the religious leaders thought either.

The Roman Governer was told Jesus was a threat to Rome, so he had him questioned....severely...ouch.
Nope, no threat here, let him go.

So who was Jesus a threat to ?
Organized religion, that's who.
I mean really, fancy telling people that you do not have to pay the church to communicate with God. That is heresy in any organized religion, the guy has gotta go. But the Pharisee's did not have the power of the inquisition, and had to persuade someone who did have the authority to zap the rabble rouser.

Pilate found no guilt, but political expediency in giving the religious leaders what they wanted.
After all, it was only a peasant with no real wealth or power, no one would really care ??

would they ??

Jews kill Jesus, no, but their organized religious leaders did to keep the cash flow intact.

Now wait a couple of hundred years and see what the Catholic Church thought of people who thought they did not need to pay the church to communicate with God.

Fast forward and see what Islamic leaders think should be done with people who do not follow the one true faith, or challenge the religious leaders.

Same old, same old.”

“i don't think a single soul would miss bacpac if he died....”

“where is one inch wang when you need him...”

“haha i love him”

“me too.

oh mr wangie pooh,you out there?”

“Apparently size does matter.”

“Hi Nigal, I have the works of Josephus and Philo. From your perspective, how do you feel the Gospels inaccurately portray Pilate? They don't mention much about him, other than he didn't find any guilt in Jesus, so I'm not sure why you say there are inaccuracies?”

“i have a question. how many times has the Bible been translated?

do you think some things get
lost in translation?”

“He is depicted as a simpering ruler who really, really doesn’t want to kill the poor guy. He was so ruthless and bloody he would not have had any qualms about killing Jesus. He was just one more Jew in thousands he killed. He was so over zealous in his killing he was called back to Rome and removed from his post. And the actual custom of giving the people a choice of sparing someone on Passover is a fabrication also.”

“impossible, nothing, not ever, not even a tiny nuance ...ever, gets lost in translation.

Just like translater's biases never creep into the translation either.

Look how accurate all internal news was during the rules of Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, every word printed has always been the absolute truth.”

“so without starting a flame war, why put so much faith into something that may not be the truth?”

“He is depicted as a simpering ruler who really, really doesn’t want to kill the poor guy. He was so ruthless and bloody he would not have had any qualms about killing Jesus. He was just one more Jew in thousands he killed. He was so over zealous in his killing he was called back to Rome and removed from his post. And the actual custom of giving the people a choice of sparing someone on Passover is a fabrication also.

But Nigal, did you read the Gospel accounts as to WHY Pilate didn't want Jesus killed? Obviously the ruling Jewish religous authorities and Pilate were not "friends". Pilate saw how "jealous" the Pharisees were of Jesus, and he knew they handed Jesus to him out of jealousy and fear. Pilate didn't want to appease the Pharisees he didn't even like just because they wanted Jesus killed out of their own jealousy.

Also, Pilate's wife had a dream about Jesus, and said, ""While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him a message, saying, "Have nothing to do with that righteous Man; for last night I suffered greatly in a dream because of Him."" (Matt 27:19)

Also, remember Pilate had questioned Jesus personally. As did Herod. Both had obviously heard of the great miracles Jesus performed. They knew there was something about this guy. I think Pilate could tell, even from his questioning of Jesus, that He was special. I mean, Pilate would not have put, "King Of The Jews" over the cross of Jesus, even as the Pharisees protested, if he didn't think something different about Him.

Pilate many times tried to release Jesus, even willing to release him instead of the horrible criminal Barrabus, but when Pilate saw how unbending the crowd was, he washed his hands and said His blood was not on him. Pilate even hoped a horrendous flogging would satisfy the Pharisees in their anger towards Jesus, to no avail. They still demanded His death. Which is what HAD to happen anyway.

Nigal, Pilate may have treated any regular Jew harsh as you suggest, but the whole story here is that Jesus was no ordinary Jew, and Pilate knew it.”

“What did Pilate know and when did he know it?

Maybe a Congressional investigation is in order.”

“Geo, you are in great form today LOL.”

“Im never around long enough to participate but Im surprised nobody has brought up Elvis.
Anyway, I find it ironic that only a few of the desciples(Mark Peter I believe? went north into Greece and Rome where the Church took hold.(I know the bible was traslated back and forth between these two languages) The others went in different directions South, East West(Egypt Thomas I believe) into Egypt where the message of Jesus died out completely. There stories are not told anywhere. I guess they werent on Gods Good List”

““Also, remember Pilate had questioned Jesus personally. As did Herod. Both had obviously heard of the great miracles Jesus performed. They knew there was something about this guy. I think Pilate could tell, even from his questioning of Jesus, that He was special. I mean, Pilate would not have put, "King Of The Jews" over the cross of Jesus, even as the Pharisees protested, if he didn't think something different about Him.”

Except for the sign on the cross this is all speculation because the gospels don’t tell what Pilate and Herod thought. Could the sign not be a mocking of his being the king of the Jews?

“Pilate many times tried to release Jesus, even willing to release him instead of the horrible criminal Barrabus”

This practice is found nowhere in Jewish customs OR Roman customs.”

“So who wil be 666 on this one?”

“LOL
Who was 666 on the last passion thread It was to to hard to figure out quickly”

“"the Gospels do not portray him very accurately."

give it up nigal. youre forgetting that if the bible told buck he should eat his chicken soup with a fork, hed do it, without questioning whether or not the fork industry might have had a hand in it.”

“Who was 666 on the last passion thread

the almighty mutt”

“Except for the sign on the cross this is all speculation because the gospels don’t tell what Pilate and Herod thought. Could the sign not be a mocking of his being the king of the Jews?

Hi Nigal! Herod had heard of Jesus and questioned him at length but Jesus remained silent. So Herod did mock Jesus (the Bible even states this) because He would not answer, but he still found no guilt in Jesus and sent Him back to Pilate. But as for Pilate, if you are suggesting that Pilate put the sign, "Jesus, King Of The Jews" on the cross as a form of mockery, then apparently it was lost on those who would have loved to see this mockery the most, which were the Pharisees. They didn't see it as mockery one bit. In fact, here's what's said about this:

"So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, "Do not write, 'The King of the Jews';, but that He said, 'I am King of the Jews'".

"Pilate answered, "What I have written I have written." - John 19: 21, 22

This doesn't sound like "mockery" to me.

The Gospels do indeed tell us what Pilate was thinking, and he thought Jesus was innocent of the charges against Him.

As for Pilate releasing a prisoner at Passover, there are indeed Roman references to releasing prisoners to appease crowds. But you are correct, there is no explicit reference of this custom elsewhere, but when things like this have happened in the past (no reference of a geographical place, or name of a person, etc. elsewhere outside the Bible), archeology seems to always prove the Bible correct.

Now of course none of this will sway you, nor me, we seem strong in our faiths, but ain't it fun discussing it? You betcha! God bless.”

“Yeah, this has been going on for 2,000+ years. I doubt you and I can hammer it out in a week. I understand and respect your views Buck.”

“"I mean, Pilate would not have put, "King Of The Jews" over the cross of Jesus,........"



Coming in from left field here, but doesn't it make sence that he woulda done that as an example to the others? Like "I got your King of the Jews.....Riiiiigghttt Here! Badda Bing!" ....or so to speak?”