Paging Jimmy Carter

“"Carter thinks that NK just started aquiring nukes in January of 2002."
- moonglo


Where'd you get that? It's so easy to knock down a straw man. How about what he actually said?”

“Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday night that an agreement he brokered 12 years ago for North Korea to halt nuclear weapons development is “in the wastebasket." Carter contends the Bush administration turned its back on the deal and labeled the isolated nation part of an “axis of evil.””

“go on...”

“Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday night that an agreement he brokered 12 years ago for North Korea to halt nuclear weapons development is “in the wastebasket."

This means that he thinks the reason North Korea halted nuclear weapons development is because of an agreement from 12 years ago.

Carter contends the Bush administration turned its back on the deal and labeled the isolated nation part of an “axis of evil.”

In context (look it up if you're not sure what that means) this means that he thinks Bush is responsible for breaking that deal (the deal he said halted development) at the time he labeled them an "axis of evil".

He called them that in January, 2002.

I hope that helps. If you need further translation, try babelfish.
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“Try some cartoons or pictures Sarge.
last edited: 10/18/06 10:35:53 AM”

“I'll let GGGGS do that. He's got the good ones.”

“You know you've altered the meaning of what he was quoted as saying.

Enjoy arguing with yourself.”

“be specific”

“LOL
Since when as violin NOT altered the meaning of anything he posts.
LMAO!”

“Please check back in the North Korea threads...they even admit they violated the agreement shortly after they signed it. They are Communist/Socialists they have never intended to follow an agreement. Hence the reason Jimuh got the agreement...without verification. Like telling the cop "I will stop speeding, if you stop monitoring my speed." LOL”

“out of sight ... out of mind ....

style over substance ...

the life of the peanut”

“
you rang?????”

“Dang Jimmy has changed.

you cannot mention the Carter family without referencing the great American Hero James Gregory Wentzel

Yes...someone married Amy D*&n Carter...don't you just want to walk up to him and pat him on the back and say, "Thanks for taking one for the team son."”

“oh sorry, thoguht you said page, jimmy”

“I still thing Ronald Reagan held the greatest comment on Jimuh

When your neighbor loses his job that is a recession.
When you lose your job that is depression.
When Jimmy Carter loses his job that is recovery.”

“I met, shook his hand, chatted a couple of minutes, and liked Jimmy back when he was campaigning in the student union at MSU before he won the Dem candidacy.

I was impressed by him and I voted for him several months later.

He had good intentions, like most Lefties, but could not govern. He turned out to be one of the biggest Presidental failures.

I think he has lost much of his mind today.”

“hey, what's the deal with Billy Beer?”

“So StoveStomper voted for Jimmy Carter once more than I did...

Closet liberal.”

“Billy Beer, was a joke (my boss has a can on his desk in the office. It was a joke from the only good guy in the Carter family.”

“What's that old saying Vile?

If a man isn't a Liberal when young he has no soul.
If a man isn't a conservative when older he has no brains.....or something like that, LOL.”

“"If a man isn't a liberal at 20 he has no heart ... if he is not a conservative by 40 he has no brain.”

“So what happened to core pricipals and convictions? Flippity-flopping?”

““Please check back in the North Korea threads...they even admit they violated the agreement shortly after they signed it. They are Communist/Socialists they have never intended to follow an agreement.
Xl400236
1:27:15 PM
10/18/06

Yeah, there were allegations by the US that Korea cheated and the Pakistani nuclear scientists confession supports the notion that there was some cheating. While both the Bush administration and North Korea have a history of giving false info about nuclear proliferation, I'd rather trust the Bushies.

But, even if the Bush allegations are entirely true. There were provisions and monitoring equipment in place in 2002. There were significant limits on what North Korea could do. The agreement still constrained their behavior. Until late in 2002, there were surveillance devices placed by the IAEA in place in North Korea. The Yongbyon reactor was shut down and monitored until late 2002. IAEA teams were there. Late 2002 to early 2003 marked the start of major and uncontrolled acceleration of the North Korean nuclear program.

So yeah, I stand by my assertion. There were major road blocks in place when the Bush team came on the scene. For all their tough talk and refusal to have direct negotiations, they let this one slip away. It went from SNAFU to FUBAR ont their watch.”

“LOL...right...stay with that.

From PBS

When North Korea disclosed in fall 2002 an ongoing clandestine weapons program, it fueled rising fears worldwide about the threat of nuclear proliferation. The secret weapons program in North Korea violated a 1994 agreement with the United States, further damaging an already tense relationship. This relationship is marked by periodic crises between the two countries, whose intense rivalry dates back to the beginning of the Cold War.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/northkorea/history.html

HENCE the violations had already happened in 2002 when the AXIS of Evil Speech was made...Was Anyone here alive during the Surrender A Little at a Time...agreements of the Carter era...the Soviets NEVER abided by them.
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“uh-oh... XL is trying to prove his point by linking to a 'lefty' source....



[a sign of the impending apocalypse, f'sure.]




tick... tock...”

“Plame

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

tick... tock...”

“WHAHAHAHA

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813077590&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Jimmy Carter, Father of the Iranian Revolution”

“so you agree with the author of the article?”

“If history began in the '70s you might have something there, XLax.

It was the C.I.A. sponsered coup in 1953 that brought the Shah to power and started the mess that culminated in the "revolution" of 1979.

Regime change started decades ago. The new term is just a change of clothes. Dwight Eisenhower was president when the U.S. overthrew the popular democratic government of Mohammad Mossadegh in Iran in 1953. What was Mossadegh's transgression? He wanted Iran's oil to benefit the Iranian people. The coup brought the shah back from exile and put him on the Peacock Throne. What ensued was 25 years of tyranny and repression culminating in Ayatollah Khomeini's Islamic Revolution. The coup in Iran was a pivotal event of the 20th century. Virtually all Iranians know about it. Yet most Americans haven't even heard of it. The U.S. professes that it supports democracy in the Middle East yet when there was a democratic government in Iran the U.S. destroyed it.”

“Nobody expects the SAVAK ---- !

don't look --- it'll spoil your afternoon”

“Yeah...and as long as we discount his blithering incompetence when a formal act of aggression was committed...he is pretty much like the President who refused to grab a terrorist when he was being handed to us on a silver platter.”

“Jimmy is as relevant today as he was when he was president.”

“Geez Tilty, that's a well organized terror organization.”

“That's the kind of response an actual Christian like Jimmy Carter can expect.”

“MarkO has a good point. Iran had democratic elections in the 1950s and the CIA helped the Shah take over again and helped him maintain a brutal regime. So - if you are going to blame Khomenei on American policy, you have to look further back than Carter.

BTW - given the loony partisan nature of your source XL, it would be nice to see some support for his claims.”

“Music: the theme from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.....

JIMUH strolls down a dusty DARFUR street....infront of him are security for the Sudanese Government. The goal....to bring the typical CARTERESQUE Tactics of TOUGH GUY to a troubled region.


So the man who singlehandedly faced down a Killer Rabbit years ago places his tough guy image on the line.

The 83-year-old Carter walked into this highly volatile pro-Sudanese government town to meet refugees too frightened to attend a scheduled meeting at a nearby compound. He was able to make it to a school where he met with one tribal representative and was preparing to go further into the town when Sudanese security officers stopped him.

HE FIRED BACK IN TYPICAL TOUGH GUY

"We're going to anyway!" an angry Carter retorted as a crowd began to gather. "You don't have the power to stop me."

I can imagine the scene....JIMUH squints...he drools (hey he is too old to chew) and limbers up his fingers (most likely getting ready to pull his famous 'Drop trou and let em have at me" routine that helped make Islamo Fascisim a threat.

then he replies

I'll tell President Bashir about this," Carter said, referring to Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.
(Translation: I am going to call my Mommy and she will call your mommy and BOY will you be in trouble.)(LOL)

OH yeah...the result.....

Carter later agreed to a compromise by which tribal representatives would be brought to him at another location later Wednesday. But the refugee delegates never showed up.

HAHAHAHAAHAH....this is hilarious....the FEEL GOOD solution...they faced them down...(forgot to buy them a Coke and sing Kumbahyah) and Mulsims are still raping girls at will, still starving and killing at will....and here is the bet. "WITHIN 1 year" JIMUH will proclaim one of the evil dictators a GREAT Humanitarian.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/darfur;_ylt=Ar0IY4Uo4hoNWw3mO9PkdPKs0NUE
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“LOL....next up JIMUH solves the Myanmar situation...he will walk up to the Border with Myanmar and threaten to go "NUCEAR"..meaning he will bring out Amy in a bikini....(LOL)NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

”

“Funny thing...I used to get the same imagery upon looking at GWB and his phony swagger!”

“LOL...good one....of course the fact that thousands of Terroists are now taking the eternal dirt nap as opposed to giggling at our ineptitude may be a bit different.”

“Wow, golly gee willikers! You really put me in my place with that propaganda!!!


SIR! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! SIR!!!!”

“"..........the fact that thousands of Terroists are now taking the eternal dirt nap....."

And the fact that TEN TIMES that number of civilians are takin' that dirt nap too means little to warm-mongering little freaks who get a stiffy when they hear Dubya utter his nonsense.”

“Be nice to the TT ALL.”

“OK..............LOL

WTF.............SYL”

“It must really bother some to see an 83-year old former president address political and humanitarian issues and try to help set up democratic elections. I wonder what the current president is doing? Cutting brush on the ranch?”

“He's got plenty of hungry illegals to cut the brush and milk the horses.”

““It must really bother some to see an 83-year old former president address political and humanitarian issues and try to help set up democratic elections.
Kleetn


OOOH OOOH...please name one set of DEMOCRATIC elections he has set up?

Lets see Venezuela...NOPE its gone to heck. His other bud in North Korea ain't all that democratic either...LOL...the guy is and always has been a failure.”

“Some folks like to constantly spout off about history, but sure don't seem to grasp many of the facts. Carter went to Venezuela to observe a recall election. He went to North Korea to meet with Kim Il Sung to try to convince them to stop processing nuclear fuel. I believe he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.

Wingnuts, feel free to begin the looooong list of the Smirking Chimp's accomplishments. ;o)”

“I've got the first one, the chimp crawled around the super court on his knees.”

“Accomplishments...you mean like making Libya stop nuclear production, you mean like ending the terror regime in Iraq that had thumbed it nose at the rest of the world for 35 year...you mean like a growing incredibly powerful economy that has survived direct attacks, natural disasters.....

JIMUH' got the Nobel Prize...whooptiedoo...so did Yasser Arafat...heck Kissinger got it (granted that was the first time someone got a medal for LOSING a war).

Carter got it so the libbies in the Nobel Committee could thumb their noses at the US. What exactly did he DO to get it? NOTHING..he allowed North Korea to go just as they had planned, he did not a whit of anything to make a difference.

ofcourse to libbies...its the "good intentions" of libbies that matter, not the real outcome.

LOL "Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."
- Ronald Reagan”

“You still don't understand the idea of debt, do you? At some point even the immune gov will have to live by the basic laws of finance, Oh, they think they can keep writing those laws.
When our addiction to oil allows, we will be able to see the world through the eyes of logic and reason, but for the Reagan ,Bushs and Clinton followers ,that day will never come.”