New wrinkle on illegal immigration

“I read a story about a Purdue factory in the Deep South (Louisiana, alabama?) that Immigrants(?) were migrating to from California. the pay was much better than the Cali pay and locals weren't taking the jobs.

Now I'm pretty sure there were local unemployed people and I'm pretty sure they were all "Americans".”

“Colo. Pulls Immigrant Guide Off Web


By COLLEEN SLEVIN, Associated Press Writer

DENVER - A Spanish-language guide for immigrants has been yanked from a state Web site after criticism that the advice encouraged illegal newcomers to take advantage of government benefits.

Gov. Bill Owens, who had previously endorsed the guide, said Wednesday he wasn't aware that some information seemed targeted at illegal immigrants. The guide was removed Monday after Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo, an outspoken proponent of tighter immigration controls, wrote a letter to Owens.


The guide contains information about everything from how to get a driver's license to domestic abuse laws.


It also says health clinics don't have to see immigration papers before providing treatment, and that children born in the United States can qualify for certain health benefits even if their parents are here illegally.


"I think it's folding to political pressure and fear-mongering," said Tillman Farley, medical director of the Salud Family Health Centers. Farley helped put the guide together.


He said the guide explains existing law, and that all residents benefit if, for example, the children of immigrants are immunized and pregnant women get medical care. He said the pamphlet doesn't encourage people to immigrate, but helps those who are here become familiar with American customs and laws.


"It's just like the 'Welcome to Colorado' sign on the highway, it doesn't exclude anybody," he said.


Tancredo spokesman Carlos Espinosa charged Farley's clinic and others have an interest in defending illegal immigration because they get federal aid to care for immigrants. He complained illegal immigrants don't pay income taxes, and that the sales taxes they do pay don't cover services they use.


"Clearly they don't put in what they take out," he said.


Owens, who signed a bill Wednesday restoring Medicaid benefits to legal immigrants, said he supports helping newcomers who play by the rules. "I want to encourage those who are here legally to assimilate and become part of American life," he said.”

“Gawd, don't get the "look the other way" crowd going this early in the morning. LOL!”

“House OKs Citizenship Check for Licenses

Politics - U. S. Congress


By SUZANNE GAMBOA

WASHINGTON - Hoping to keep drivers licenses out of the hands of terrorists, the House voted Thursday to make states verify that applicants are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.

Republicans pushed the measure through on a 261-161 vote despite protests from governors and state motor vehicle departments that it would be too costly and would require them to take on the role of immigration officers.

The bill also would make it easier for judges to deport immigrants seeking political asylum if they think they might be terrorists.

"Common sense says we should not allow suspected terrorists to be able to stay inside our borders if they could harm us," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

The measure was rejected by Congress and the White House in December as part of a bill reorganizing intelligence agencies in response to flaws found after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorism attacks. It was revived with newly won support from the Bush administration.

"Today there are over 350 valid drivers license designs issued by the 50 states. We all know it's very difficult for security officials at airports to tell the real ID cards from the counterfeit ones," said the bill's sponsor, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner.

Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said the new features that states would have to include on drivers licenses would prevent terrorists from using them as IDs to board planes like the Sept. 11 hijackers did.

Governors, state legislators and motor vehicle departments have all argued that requiring verification of background information such as Social Security numbers and whether a person is in the United States legally would be burdensome.

The National Governors Association and a group representing motor vehicle department administrators said in a letter to House leaders that the measure is a "massive unfunded mandate."

The bill is expected to have more difficulty in the Senate, where several Republican lawmakers have said they want it considered as part of a broader immigration package.

Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, chairman of the Senate Judiciary immigration subcommittee, has said he supports Sensenbrenner's proposals to bar illegal immigrants from using driver's licenses as identification to get on airplanes or enter federal buildings, but that this issue must be dealt with along with other immigration proposals.




Thanks to the Republicans for pushing this through. I will say I am suprised they did. What this tells me is that Bush is going to have a hard time with his own party when he starts trying to get his legalizing illegal immigrants bill to pass.”

“Ewker - I think some licenses used by terrorists were acquired through bribery at a local DMV.

Anyone with enough money but no "paperwork" can get real ID.”

“which is a shame because once you get a drivers license you can use it to get practically anything else from birth certificates, deeds, prescriptions, personal informations, etc.”

“Yes. I believe the "store" was a front, Notary whateverpeople getting licenses for illegal immigrants.”

“BM, I know that but it will still help in the long run esp with the illegal's in this country”

“You've got to stop corruption to do that, Ewker. They make it more difficult only means the price will go up.


BTW - my 19yr old bride never made it to DC. Damn Border patrol!”

“just go hang around a street corner I am sure you could find a cute 19 yr old Mexican girl”

“She was Honduran, dammit!”

“is this her??
”

“OK. How old?”

“not sure..does it matter”

“I prefer younger. :)”

“this is a add on to what i posted yesterday. It didn't say anything about the fence.



House Approves Immigration Bill
Friday, February 11, 2005


WASHINGTON — Immigration legislation passed by the House would allow the federal government to complete a controversial fence on the border with Mexico, regardless of environmental concerns

States would have three years to comply with the new federal standards dictating what features driver's licenses must have. They could still issue special driving permits to illegal aliens, but those permits would not be recognized as identities for boarding airlines or allowing entry to federal buildings.


Ten states now don't require license applicants to prove they are citizens or legal residents: Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin and Utah. Tennessee issues driving certificates to people who cannot prove they are legal residents. (People in Tenn have been pushing to get this changed)

The bill is drawing criticism from Mexico,( to bad) particularly its call to complete the building of a fence along the U.S.-Mexican border south of San Diego.”

“http://www.grenzer.com/index.htm


Ah, walls and fences..that'll stop 'em!

No, I don't like an open border, but I know that a fence won't do the job either.....”

“it won't stop them but it might slow them down..better than an open border”

“Build the fence and add a few features. The US and Mexican border is 2000 miles long. Post 17,000 armed men every two hundred yards or so with interlocking fields of fire. Hell thats only a tenth of what we have in Iraq. Securing the border would be a bargin. Bonus pay for head shots and prego females.

OMG, the right wing of my subconscious I've tried so hard to supress is coming back out.”

“lol@bateauxdriver”

“There's this cool spot near the US Canada border called Pigeon River Falls. You just kind of walk along the border for a bit on either side of the border and come to a neat waterfall right on the border.

The Pigeon River is actually quite small and with a couple of rock jumps I've jumped back and forth across the border. I've done the same on the US Mexico border at Big Bend.

We'll never have a tight border. It's logistically impossible.

I'm also a free market kind of guy and I don't think that we should be so anti-business with this illegal immigrant thing. We need to move car parts back and forth across the borders. And we need to help supply our companies with cheap labor.

Why do so many of you want to interfere with the economic recovery? And why does there always have to be a big government solution to the problem of illegal immigration? Let the private sector take care of it.”

“Conservatives, GOP Split on Illegal Workers
Tuesday, February 22, 2005
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos


WASHINGTON — President Bush has told the nation he still plans to advance a proposal he made a year ago to grant temporary visas to illegal immigrants already in the United States, but many members of the conservative base that helped re-elect him say they staunchly disagree, and they are warning the White House not to take their loyalty for granted.

"What you have here is a huge grassroots base that hears about giving any sort of amnesty to illegal aliens, and they're ticked off," said William Greene, president of RightMarch.com, an activist organization that generates awareness of hot conservative issues and makes its members' positions known through targeted mail and faxes to members of Congress.

"You've got the base of the Republican Party, the grassroots conservatives, who got these people elected in the first place, and they're saying, 'we put you there for a reason, now how about doing something to stop the illegal immigration?'" Greene said. "We're saying that on this issue, your constituents are not with you, and you're going to have to watch your back because you have elections coming up."

Greene was of the majority opinion at last week's Conservative Political Action Conference(CPAC) in Washington. A straw poll conducted throughout the conference found that 54 percent disagreed with guest worker visas. But aside from differences on immigration and a few other issues like government spending, this was clearly a pro-Bush, pro-GOP event.


"We believe in probably 95 percent of what [Bush] stands for — this [guest worker status] falls in that 5 percent area where we do part ways," said William Ricci Jr., northeast regional vice president of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies.

Bush proposed a plan in January 2004 that would grant temporary legal status to illegal aliens already working in the U.S. The status would last three years, with the possibility of renewals.

The president said in his State of the Union address this month that he continues to support temporary work visas for illegal workers. The White House said recently that Bush wants to work with Congress on the issue and expects to use the plan he introduced last year as a blueprint.

"It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists," Bush said during the State of the Union.

Meanwhile, a bipartisan group of senators, including Larry Craig, R-Idaho; John McCain, R-Ariz.; Orrin Hatch, R-Utah and Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Democratic senators like Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, filed the Agricultural Job Opportunity, Benefits, and Security (AgJOBS) Act of 2005. This bill would provide temporary green cards and the opportunity to earn the right to permanent work status to illegal migrant farm workers if they can prove they have been working for a period of 100 days since Jan. 1 and agree to a background check.

Craig said this would be the first step in solving the farm labor shortage problem, and creating a new workforce that has decent wages and is dependable. Sponsors say more than half the nation's 1.6 million agricultural workers lack proper documentation.

"If in our effort to protect our borders and to create a law enforcement community that can apprehend a person who has entered this country illegally, if all of that happens and we do not create a system that stabilizes and provides a legal foreign national workforce, we could literally collapse American agriculture," Craig said when he introduced the bill.

But some conservatives say these and other "amnesty-lite" proposals are rewarding people for breaking U.S laws. And they say they don't believe Republicans will provide the votes to push it through for the president.

"This idea is not popular at all," John Vinson, an editor at the Americans for Immigration Control Inc., said at CPAC. "They say this is not amnesty, but this is amnesty. Amnesty is a pardon for law-breaking, period."

Gary Aldrich, founder and head of the Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty, said one would be hard-pressed to find anyone around CPAC who disagreed.

"I don't know of a single organization here that is suggesting we should lighten up on immigration status," said Aldridge, who indicated that a least 100 congressmen have already been identified as those who will stand against guest worker status proposals.

"There is an undercurrent in the conservative movement of nervousness," about the issue, he said. "I think this is a good example of the rift between true conservatives and those in the Bush administration along more neo-conservative lines, who see some benefits out of this politically."

But there were a few groups and individuals willing to say they aren't as much against the idea of guest worker visas as their conservative colleagues.

The Libertarian Party, which has disagreed with many of the Bush policies, including the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act, said it agreed with the president on this one.

"Libertarians support the Bush guest worker program. [Aliens] are here working, they're abiding by the law, of course they should become citizens — we think all immigrants who come here to get a job and better themselves should be able to do so," said party spokesman George Getz. "This is one small step in the right direction."

Then there are individuals who say they just don't the share passionate opposition to it that other conservatives have.

"It's not my hot-button issue," said Chris Green, president of RightGear.com, which was selling pro-Bush, pro-conservative t-shirts at CPAC. "It's about individual liberty for me, and I know these people coming here want individual liberty. If they are here already, and they aren't criminals, if they are here for three years and they work, sure”

“I like how it says that the group was supportive of George Bush in all areas "aside from government spending."

Yup. We'll just ignore that little 400 billion dollar deficit problem.

That's kind of like Fox News the other night. They had some guy on talking about how much of the Contract with America had actually been implemented.

Yeah, like everything except what it was all about - keeping spending below revenue.

But, really, I'm all for this plan. In fact, let's make all of these people citizens. And let's open the borders to many more new immigrants. It would save social security.

And while we're at it, let's create a bipartisan constitutional amendment that lets Arnold Schwarzenneger run for president in exchange for making the District of Columbia a state. And let's throw in Puerto Rico, too.”

“Hey hiring illegial workers is great for business. You pay slave wages, pay no social security or other employment taxes. Who wouldn't want to hire an illegial?

Immigration is a good thing for our country but it should be done legally. To protect the people coming in as well as us. Our open borders are a foot path for terrorist to enter. I've been searched to my drawers in order to get on a stinking airplane and we allow potential terrorist to walk or swim freely. We have spent hundreds of billions to secure Iraq and I don't feel safer. Let us spend more of that security money here. It will even create jobs for law enforcement and border towns that would support them. I hate big government but securing the borders is the job of government.”

“Rest assured that Pres. Fox is doing all he can to stem the flow of illegal immigrants to America. Mexico even printed a comic book on tips and tricks on crossing the border, hiding, ect. How much worse does it have to get before we act?

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=border_news&story_id=010605a1_comic_book”

“hey that one is nice. It sure beats the other one they put out. I wonder if it gets updated like the AT data book”

“ACT NOW! Stop eating fast food and the illegals will have no jobs to come over here for.”

“Hey Nigal, I wonder what would happen if that article got emailed to Bush. Of course he probably helped Fox in putting it together.”

“Under Siege

As illegal immigrants surge across Southern Arizona, life for ranchers living near the border has become a living hell..more

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=oid:66509”

“Showdown at border?
Violent, terror-connected gang threatens
to confront civilian immigration patrols

Posted: March 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


It looks like there is going to be a second "showdown at the OK Corral" in Tombstone, Ariz., April 1.

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization to teach a lesson to a group of Americans taking border control into their own hands.

The American civilians, known as the "Minutemen," say they have some 750 volunteers ready to show up in Tombstone to start policing the border and dealing with illegal immigration.


The Mara Salvatruchas, founded in Los Angeles, has become one of the most violent and widespread gangs throughout South America, the U.S. and even Canada. Many of its members and leaders have been deported from the U.S., but the group is said to be deeply involved in cross-border arms-running and drug-smuggling operations, according to U.S. law enforcement sources.

Lately, the gang has joined forces with former members of the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, a radical terrorist group, and some U.S. intelligence sources say they may also be cooperating with Islamic terrorist groups – including al-Qaida.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen hope to form a group of civilians from all walks of life to patrol the border day and night – even with the threat of such violence. Their goal is stop the flow of illegal immigration through the Arizona-Mexico border, the biggest entry point into the U.S.

Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, Calif., is leading the project.

"I struck the mother lode of nationalism," he told a local TV station. "I thought I would be lucky to get 12 volunteers. In six months, I've gotten almost 500."

The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border. Some people call the area "America's Open Door." Along this section of the border, more than 43 percent of all illegal entries to the U.S. take place.

Last year, the Tucson Border Patrol apprehended 491,000. But for every person caught, immigration sources say, at least five walk in undetected.

"We're going to set up at least 40 maybe 80 outposts, four to six people per outpost 24/7, looking for people who are infiltrating over that border," said Gilchrist.

To do this, Gilchrist is amassing people from all walks of life to spend a month camped out on the border.

But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.

"Ten percent of our members are retired law enforcement officers who have a right to carry a concealed weapon. They probably will carry and you won't know it," he said.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

Border patrol agents have seen a growing problem with violence in recent years. Agents have been attacked by frustrated smugglers with rocks, bricks, even automatic weapons.

According to authorities, violence along the Tucson sector has climbed to an all-time high.

"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame.

But that has not deterred many of the volunteers.

The Minutemen even have an air force. They plan to use about two dozen aircraft to patrol the skies near the border.

Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

The Mara Salvatruchas identify themselves with tattoos, such as "MS" or the numbers 13 and 18, signifying their relationship to the gang. The gang formed in the United States in the 1980s in a Los Angeles prison. The 13 and 18 signify the city streets in L.A. where they hung out.

U.S. officials are concerned the gang members might help sneak al-Qaida terrorists into America.

Rivera-Paz was charged with illegally entering the United States after being deported, but is expected to be extradited to Honduras to face charges in connection with the bus massacre.”

“bump, I guess people aren't concerned about this problem.”

“Concerned? Yep. See tons of immigrants around here. I always wonder how many are legal. Decent discussion of these very articles on the other side.”

“I get the feeling they could turn the border into the Siefried line and they'd still get through.

Don't know whether you heard the joke or not Ewker, but it went like this:

Every day a Mexican would appear at the border crossing with a donkey. The border patrol would search the guy and a small pack on the donkey, thinking the guy was smuggling dope.

They never found anything.

The guy stopped appearing for awhile, and then another day appeared without the donkey.

The border patrolman asked him, "We always suspected you were smuggling something into the US, but we never could find anything. Were you smuggling?"

The guy replied, "Si! Donkeys."
last edited: 3/17/05 1:04:12 PM”

“The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border

Use that stretch as the nuclear waste disposal strip.

Clearly mark with signs in spanish that anyone crossing will pick up 10,000 rads during the crossing.”

“Then green-glowing people would be showing up all over the US.”

“There's lots of illegals around here. I see INS roundup buses at least twice a month in my area, not to mention at all construction sites around here. Lawncare services get checked, too.”

““Then green-glowing people would be showing up all over the US.”

It would make it easier in knowing who to round up.”

“and just their proximity to fruit while picking it would irradiate it a little greatly extending the shelf life,

Aah ! isn't technology wonderful.

We may not live forever but we will have a half life of 10,000 years.”

“Mexican president tells U.S. to control extremists

Chris Hawley
Republic Mexico City Bureau
Mar. 16, 2005 06:42 PM

MEXICO CITY - Anti-immigrant sentiment appears to be growing in the United States, Mexican President Vicente Fox said Wednesday, and he urged U.S. officials to act quickly to control movements like the 950-member-strong Minuteman Project on the Mexico-Arizona border.

Fox said he plans to push for U.S. immigration reform during a meeting with President Bush in Texas next week. He also said the two leaders, along with Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, likely will announce a plan to expand the scope of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Mexico's National Human Rights Commission recently issued a warning about several new grass-roots movements inspired by Arizona's Proposition 200. Other Mexican officials have cited the Minuteman Project, a plan by activists to patrol the Arizona-Mexico border during April, as a sign of rising extremism.

"There are signs of these kinds of problems present today, and (they are) progressing," Fox said during a news conference for foreign reporters. "We have to act quickly and on time to prevent these kinds of actions."

He said Mexico was watching the Minuteman Project carefully and would take action in U.S. courts or international tribunals if any of the activists break the law.

"We totally reject the idea of these migrant-hunting groups," Fox said. "We will use the law, international law and even U.S. law to make sure that these types of groups, which are a minority . . . will not have any opportunity to progress."

Organizers of the Minuteman Project say they have signed up more than 950 volunteers, including 30 pilots with aircraft, to patrol the border for 30 days beginning April 1. The activists say they will notify the Border Patrol if they see border-crossers and will not confront them directly.

Minuteman co-organizer Chris Simcox said participants were exercising their constitutional rights.

"Vicente Fox can rant and rave all he wants, but he obviously doesn't understand what a democracy means," Simcox said. "We have been working within the law."

Fox also harshly criticized the construction of walls along the border, including a new "triple fence" planned for the San Diego area.

"We are convinced that walls don't work. They should be torn down," he said. "No country that is proud of itself should build walls. No one can isolate himself these days."

Fox said he understood Americans' concern about protecting their southern border. But he denied that terrorists have snuck into the United States through Mexico, as the FBI's director recently said.

"We have absolutely no evidence of that," he said.

Fox is meeting with Bush and Martin on Wednesday at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, and at Bush's ranch in nearby Crawford. It's an effort to get North American cooperation back on track after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Fox said he will push for action on a "guest worker" program in the United States. He said the United States population is aging and will need Mexican labor in the future, and that turning millions of undocumented Mexicans into legal, tax-paying workers could help keep the Social Security system afloat.

The three leaders likely will announce a plan aimed at further integrating their countries' economies to compete against other trade blocs, Fox said. He called it a "new vision" that will not change the existing treaty.

It will include new border security measures, ways to share customs duties, and a continent-wide energy policy, he said. Other sections will focus on education, technology, and the financial sectors, he said.

NAFTA's critics say the 1994 trade pact has cost American manufacturing jobs while hurting Mexican farmers. But Fox noted the average Mexican income has more than doubled to $6,505 a year.

Fox said the boom of assembly plants along the border has actually helped stop illegal border-crossing, by providing jobs for people who would have gone to the United States.

"That's also part of security on the border, to have this cushion where people can find a job on the Mexican side," he said.

Reach the reporter at chris.hawley@arizonarepublic.com.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0316fox-ON.html



Looks like it is time to email and call your Senators and Reps to stop this. The sad part is that Bush and Fox are in bed together over this. Both want it esp Fox. He nows the worst of the worst have and will continue to leave Mexico for the US. Then they aren't his problem anymore.
last edited: 3/19/05 6:20:56 PM”

“[...]
As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.

Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do. Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job.

Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.
[...]

Full Story”

“instead of having illegals here paying (supposedly)into Social Security why don't we send them back. Get everyone off welfare and put their ass to work.”

“I think we should make the INS system more user friendly so that many more people can become citizens more easily.

Then, we should also have programs that settle these immigrants into areas of the country that need more population.

Mexican immigrants have been rejuvenating sections of Detroit. If more came, it could help that city even more. So, the deal could be - live in Detroit for 5 years and you can apply to become a citizen.

And the taxes and FICA that these immigrants pay could help support social security and Medicaid/Medicare.

Legal immigration is good. Let's encourage it.”

“"live in Detroit for 5 years and you can apply to become a citizen."

Doesn’t the Constitution prohibit cruel and unusual punishment?”

“RL, how about we send all the illegals up to Mich. Then you can try to have them become legallized. Guess what they probably don't want to because they get catered to so much anyway.”

“Funny how those in support of stronger immigration are called racists...

MEXICO CITY — President Vicente Fox (search) reversed course Monday night and apologized for saying that Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156730,00.html”

“Interesting twist.”

“Here is an interesting video clip which shows the insanity of lax immigration laws. Different group but still very enlightening.

http://members.home.nl/ustasa/welcome_to_sweden.WMV”

“cane corso”

“Illegal
Immigrants
Poem

I cross ocean,

poor and broke,



Take bus,

see employment folk.




Nice man treat me

good in there,

Say I need to

see welfare.




Welfare say,

"You come no more,

We send cash

right to your door."




Welfare checks,

they make you wealthy,

Medicaid it keep

you healthy!




By and by,

I got plenty money,

Thanks to you,

American dummy.




Write to friends

in motherland,

Tell them 'come

fast as you can.'

They come in turbans

and Ford trucks,

I buy big house

with welfare bucks




They come here,

we live together,

More welfare checks,

it gets better!




Fourteen families,

they moving in,

But neighbor's patience

wearing thin.




Finally, white guy

moves away,

Now I buy his house,

and then I say,



"Find more aliens

for house to rent."

And in the yard

I put a tent.




Send for family

they just trash,

But they, too,

draw the welfare cash!




Everything is

very good,

And soon we

own the neighborhood.



We have hobby

it's called breeding,

Welfare pay

for baby feeding.




Kids need dentist?

Wife need pills?

We get free!

We got no bills!



American crazy!

He pay all year,

To keep welfare

running here.



We think America

darn good place!

Too darn good for

the white man race.



If they no like us,

they can scram,

Got lots of room in

Pakistan.”

“canario presa”