New wrinkle on illegal immigration

“Follow the law, we have the law, now enforce it. We don't need more violence. Spend the violence on the mexican upper class pigs that have built this mess, as is our 'haves 'in this country building the same. The USA wants to be another Mexico, or wait, maybe just be a part of it.”

“A fellow TT'er works as a billing coder/clerk for hospitals. She was telling me over the weekend that a hospital from Nashville has the patients listed by race.

They are as follows:
African American
Hispanic
Asian
Non-Hispanic

no mention of caucasian!! I guess now we are considered Non-Hispanic”

“Hmm, Patio Squabs.

Roast Stuffed Squabs
http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/recipe.cgi?r=216056

New Orleans Squab
http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/recipe.cgi?r=174113

Picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sohingpong/353928475/”

“"no mention of caucasian!! I guess now we are considered Non-Hispanic"


Well, if you are white, and male, your catagory is: "The Man".

I have excellent grades, Dean list since I've been in school, Honor Society, graduated Magna Cum Laude at the Associates level.....and not one f---ing penny from the College in scholarships for this up coming school year. I have one, but that was just because I had all the above and I was a transfer student and only amounts to 750.00 per semester.”

“What does that cover laqtis, one semester hour?”

“Not too different from Iraq, caucasians are the occupying force in the USA.”

“This "non-hispanic" doesn't understand why some people can't understand the meaning of illegal. Sure they are poor and need help but if a poor person kills your family member does the fact that they are poor make it less of a crime?”

“im sure there was a metaphor somewhere in that cute little poem. maybe if you could hit me over the head with it a few more times i might get it”

“Ok when we say birds we really mean...”

“harman -

“This "non-hispanic" doesn't understand why some people can't understand the meaning of illegal. Sure they are poor and need help but if a poor person kills your family member does the fact that they are poor make it less of a crime?”
harman

I sure have difficulty trying to understand your statement. I have indicated in bold all your terms that left me scratching my head. I think you're trying to get this thread into Fuego.

I have family members who are non-hispanic and some who are hispanic. Some could be considered either, depending upon the circumstances. (Several are dual-citizens.) Are you trying to indicate that all hispanic people are "poor?"
last edited: 5/03/07 3:08:08 PM”

“With some of my Chinese relatives the situation is more complex. They were born in China and are considered Chinese, or, possibly, English, too. From Hong Kong they have English Passports(in addition to other passports). Yet, some of them are citizens of both the US and Panama, also. I'm confusing myself! But I can state that they are wonderful relatives and are extremely close to me.”

“No. Everyone that I have talked to that is for letting illegal aliens stay in this country has said that the aliens (all nationalities) are just trying to make a living for their families and improve their life. It is usually implied that they are poor or seeking wealth. I fail to see why the pursuit of wealth would somehow justify them braking our immigration laws and not being held accountable.

I am all for Hispanics or any other group of people legally entering the US. I just don't want people to illegally enter the U.S. and have a red carpet rolled out for them like they didn’t do anything wrong.
last edited: 5/03/07 3:29:33 PM”

“I view it as taking some other crime such as, armed robbery, and saying, "Ah! Let 'em off!". I personally love the idea of more hard working freedom hungry immigrants coming to America and making it a stronger nation, but not when they do it illegally.”

“My impression is that, for a lot of people entering this country, they are entering for different reasons than the earlier immigrants. I agree with Nigal's statment - "I personally love the idea of more hard working freedom hungry immigrants coming to America and making it a stronger nation", but.. I think the reason that a lot of illegals are here is to TAKE what they can without considering their responsibility to give back & help build a stronger country. I sense they want to TAKE our health care, TAKE all the other benfits that U.S. citizens have, without GIVING BACK. If they believed in our system & wanted to fully participate, that means, in part, obeying the law! You can't do that if you're an illegal!”

“harman - Thank you. That post I can understand. I have no argument with it.

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aka nowslimmer.
last edited: 5/03/07 3:51:47 PM”

“When we teach illegals to take from the taxpayer, they learn to short cut the system and start stealing directly from anyone that has what they want. If the border patrol and local police can't show progress , they simply learn that crime pays. But, then again, those who employ with illegal jobs, learn even faster as to how crime pays for them as well.”

“1. What has passed is past! Can't we just forgive, make amends and continue in a more reasonable manner?

2. We are guilty for much of this. Inefficient enforcement and looking the other way has encouraged outsiders to enter the country illegally.

3. So, if we are now going to enforce the laws, many of us should be prosecuted and jailed, too.

I once took a man, a US Citizen, into court about money. His primary crime was trying to protect and provide for his family as best as he could. I, finally, felt that I had to draw the line, when I realized that he was abusing my kindness. However, one does not know what it is really like until one has walked on the other side. Sometimes the path is not clearcut or easy to follow.

Have you never told a "white lie?"”

“When feelings dictate the law- the world will fill with drama queens. Or, has that happened? More importantly, the next time you go early to a movie and are first in the line, when the box office opens, they go back and sell tickets to the end of the line working toward you - maybe you'll think again about these cheaters.
last edited: 5/03/07 4:48:35 PM”

“Bush hails deal on immigration reform By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press
31 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Key senators in both parties and the White House announced agreement Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border.

The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S and a separate program to cover agricultural workers. Skills and education-level would for the first time be weighted over family connections in deciding whether future immigrants should get permanent legal status. New high-tech employment verification measures also would be instituted to ensure that workers are here legally.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_go_co/immigration_congress”

“Effing lovely.”

“Is it 1986 all over again?”

“29% going to zero- no wonder they can't beat even 'the Scrubs' approval ratings. You could except Reagan from reason ( he had none), but this' fool me once-fool me twice ER AH DAH BUMBLE amnesty crap is over the top'. Business controls your lives.”

“Where in this bill do the employers pay their fines to become legal companies?”

“Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez puts his hands in his pockets and strolls away whistling the theme to "The High and the Mighty".”

“a link so you can send an email to your Senator opposing the immigration bill
http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/issues/alert/?alertid=9781936
last edited: 5/21/07 11:19:24 AM”

“The big thing I think won't work about this is the upfront fine. Each person I've heard on TV has said that the only ones who won't sign up are likely the ones with criminal records and people who have issues. I disagree, I don't see too many folks poneying up the $5k. And what's up with the person returning home and, "we'll let you back in," wink wink. I haven't read too much into this, but it sure seems that there are obvious holes in it.”

“Enforcement now. On the borders and at the workplace.

IF control can be established and maintained, I'll be glad to consider 'guest workers' and 'paths to citizenship' ten years hence. That's what I just communicated to Isaakson & Chambliss.

I told them that I was a Liberal Independent 98% of the time and I could only imagine how their Republican Base was reacting....

I also told them they were about to be fired, LOL”

“Isn't Chambliss the guy who trashed Clelland?”

“Until a bill is offered that concentrates on illegal employers, nothing will be gained. but, as with all problems in this country , the demand side is never considered.”

“That's right Marko.... I'd never vote for that __________ under any circumstance as it is.

Because of recent events, I'd be happy to vote against him in the next Republican primary.”

“Criticism slows work on immigration deal By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer
27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Key senators and the White House are eager to push their bipartisan immigration deal through the Senate by Memorial Day, but as the Senate opened debate on the issue Monday, hope for that deadline was slipping.

Critics of the measure denounced its key elements, including its quick grant of legal status to millions of unlawful immigrants, and said they would seek to revise it.

Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., said it was "unthinkable" that the Senate would complete the measure this week, issuing a thinly veiled filibuster threat should proponents try to speed it through....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070521/ap_on_go_co/congress_immigration”

“I was just listening to him on C-SPAN.

Apparently no one has had time to actually go through it and a vote on the measure is being hurried up. It appears there will be no opportunity to debate any amendments.

It hasn't been scored by CBO (Congressional Budget Office) for cost and it's being couched as a 'draft' bill even though proponents want an up or down vote within the week.

Sessions said the bill that was defeated in the last congress was estimated to be a net cost to taxpayers of 120 billion over the first 10 years by CBO... and would rise precipitously in the following 10 years.

So much for the hype about more taxes coming in. I guess a net drain on the gov't is bad PR... So... no such estimates are forthcoming for this version.”

“Senators Obama, Clinton and McCain did not even show up to vote on the immigration bill.

What kind of leadership is that?”

“The lobbyist are the leaders, not the perpetual candidates.”

“Tilt I wrote both Chambliss and Isakson and told them they were going to be remembered for "Seat Belting their constituents into a car being driven by Ted Kennedy." (LOL)

As for the Cleland thing...Max was being used by some sick people. Sorry but Max blew himself up...(despite the cover stories) he was a great guy for a while but he saw his "name slipping" and grabbed for a few seconds more fame.”

“Someone emailed this to me:

The Honorable Tom Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone (202) 224 3254
Washington, DC 20510



Dear Senator Harkin,

As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the
Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process
for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the.
Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's
provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United
States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a
$2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a
good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started
before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes
every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of
taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can
apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result
for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local
emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped
paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could
save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status
would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative
to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for
many colleges throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden
of renewing my driver's license and making those burdens on car
insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have
college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal
(retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would
be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.



Your Loyal Constituent,
Donald Ruppert
Burlington, IA”

“Ha! Good luck to him.”

“Cindy thought you should read this.”

“ns - turn your sarcasm filter off.”

“A slogan I recently coined:
Mexicans - the new kudzu.”

“That was F*#%#% GREAT! I'm sending it to MY senator today, although I doubt Barbara Boxer would appreciate the humor! :)

Yes, she's really my Senator, and yes, I accept condolences.”

“Nice letter and good anology gojo.”

“I emailed both of my Senators about this bill. I got this reply from one of them:

Dear Mr. Walker,

Thank you for contacting my office to share your concerns about S. 1348, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. Your input is important to me, and I appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts.

Like you, I have serious concerns regarding S.1348. For that reason, I have pushed for an extended time frame to debate and amend this legislation, and fortunately that has occurred.

I am working with other Senators to alter this legislation. As this debate progresses, I will keep your thoughts in mind regarding this important issue.

Thank you again for your letter. I hope you will continue to share your thoughts with me over the next six years.

Sincerely,

Bob Corker

United States Senator”

“Saxby Chickenhawk Chambliss took the stage with Bush today down in Brunswick.

(as if he wasn't already completely worthless)”

“dayhiker - No sarcasm was intended. I said "Ha!" because the whole situation is quite humerous. And I said, "Good luck to him," because I have had experience with the legalities in that area and recognize that luck would be neeed. But, actually, the letter itself is sarcastic, attacking at various, questionable, governmental policies. For example, sarcasm is openly displayed in the statement, "(retroactively if possible)."

I tried to become a dual citizen between the U.S. and the Rep. of Panama, without losing my U.S. Citizenship. It cannot be accomplished with most countries of world. And the route to achieving such a goal, as in the letter, would not be acceptable by most people.
last edited: 5/30/07 3:05:30 AM”

“Tilt...all I can say is "AXE SAX, the best Republican the Democrats ever had."

I personally have been disgusted with the entire bunch from Saxby, to Isakson to Perdue.

For years we were told they would make government more responsive, and more responsible....

OH I noted Ben Harbin dodged a Republican Party breakfast the other morning.

That gives creedence to my "less government control" idea. Heck if we take their power down a notch at least they won't be able to hurt us AS badly.”

“So Democrats want more minority votes and both parties want to drive down labor costs for their contributors. Equally worthless.

Neither will work to secure the borders.

They say they want Port Security but Heaven Forbid it should slow down the inflow of cheap goods one iota. Again -- Equally worthless.”

“What do you want Tilt? 'Flood down' instead of 'trickle down', Yah, the rich are getting richer faster and easier, but you still can't expect them to pay a real price for goods and services. It's people like you than give 'Caste' a bad name.”

“I don't go for that "Eat The Rich" routine, either.  I'm not a fan of food poisoning.
last edited: 5/30/07 2:37:50 PM”

“By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer
17 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A fragile bipartisan compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants suffered a setback Thursday when it failed a test vote in the Senate, leaving its prospects uncertain.

Still, the measure — a top priority for President Bush that's under attack from the right and left — got a reprieve when Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., said he would give it more time before yanking the bill and moving on to other matters.

"We need to complete this marathon," Reid said.

His decision set the stage for yet another procedural vote later Thursday that will measure lawmakers' appetite for a so-called "grand bargain" between liberals and conservatives on immigration.

By a vote of 33-63, the Senate fell far short of the 60 votes that would have been needed to limit debate on the immigration measure and put it on a path to passage. Republicans — even those who helped craft the measure and are expected to support it — banded together to oppose that move, while a majority of Democrats backed it.

Republicans were seeking assurances they would get chances to add several conservative-backed changes that would toughen the measure.

Proponents in both parties were scrambling to find a way of reversing a blow their compromise sustained earlier Thursday, when the Senate voted to phase out the bill's temporary worker program after five years.

The 49-48 vote just after midnight on making the temporary worker program itself temporary came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected an amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record) to eliminate it entirely from the bill. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.

Dorgan's success on his second effort dismayed backers of the immigration bill, which is loathed by many conservatives.

The bill would tighten borders, hike penalties for those who hire illegals and give many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.

The Bush administration, along with business interests and their congressional allies, were already angry that the temporary worker program had been cut in half from its original 400,000-person-a-year target....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070607/ap_on_go_co/immigration_congress”