McCain

“Demorats crying about lies?

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”

“Sorry Stove - it's already been conclusively proves it's the boo hoo republicans this time around

Media picking on them - boo hoo
Dems being nasty to Sarah - boo hoo
Media being nasty to Sarah - boo hoo
Media & Dems naty for picking on the old guy - boo hoo
Nasty elites picking on simple country folk - boo hoo
Cosmoplitans telling people what to to - boo hoo.
Won't talk about the economy, they may say nasty things - boo hoo.

Nasty 'Charlie' and his mean questions - boo hoo.

Nasty media looking into Palin's background - boo hoo.

There are many more but I'm concerned about salt buildup here from the flood of conservative tears.
last edited: 9/15/08 11:59:27 AM”

“In what respect, Charlie?”

“too much salt from potato chips??”

“

BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA”

“McCain economic advisor pens one of the worst-timed op-eds ever

� � � Switch off the respirator; that one's brain dead.

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“Obama's NY Lead Falls to 5 Points

IN NEW YORK HILLARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!

BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”

“A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.

“It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money,” said Sherry Glied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html?ref=opinion

An yes it's opinion - but we need to look at this stuff, not what shade of lipstick.”

“but we need to look at this stuff, not what shade of lipstick. - y2

Agreed. Obama needs to stop with the bigotry and the media needs to stop pretending that every little thing is a big scandal on Palin. Basically you guys just need to stop panicking.”

“Mutt - same old excuses for not talking about issues huh Mutt. How long you gonna keep this up.

Boo hoo, poor little Sarah.

Boo hoo, poor little Mutt.”

“Boo Hoo - media pointing out that McCain and Palin are lying every time they open their mouth. Boo Hoo.

Economy fundamentally strong - two hours later - Economy fundamentally at risk.”

“Poor little Sarah? Not what I'd use to describe her. Actually, I don't see anyone "boo-hoo"ing except for you over us laughing at your panic.

sniff...sniff...stop saying I'm panicking!!! Can't we just talk about the issues?!??!? Waaaahhhh! - y2”

“So you admit that raising taxes has a negative impact on businesses.”

“Sorry Mutt - no matter how many times you repeat the BS - it doesn't make it small any better. I expect it to keep flowing now.

Where did I say that Hyway - it'll be taxing you, not business.”

“It will be taxing the compensation that you get paid by a business. tax free health insurance is a compensation agreement between an employer and an employee. If the government makes the employer take out more tax from the employee's paycheck then that changes the compensation package and will lead to high wages to account for it.


I disagree with this even if it is McCain's plan. (if it truly is, you can't trust these "unbiased" articles). There is even other stuff I disagree with McCain about. Its funny that many people think Obama is the great force that will bring about bipartisanship when the truth is that his supporters are practically lock step with everything he proposes while McCain has positions that bridge the differences between the left and the right.
last edited: 9/16/08 8:21:31 AM”

“y2, you shouldn't be so quick to be lead around by your nose. perhaps if you had read a less biased representation of that study you might have discovered this :

McCain would dramatically reshape the way millions of people get health insurance. The Republican would do away with income tax breaks for health insurance obtained through the work place, instead treating the payments as taxable wages.

In exchange, he would give people a $2,500 tax credit for individuals who buy health insurance and a $5,000 tax credit for families that do so.

The tax credit could help people buy insurance through their employer. Many would also use it buy coverage directly from insurers in the individual market. They could select from insurers licensed in any state. With more competition, costs would fall and quality would increase, McCain reasons.

Analysts writing in the journal warned against that approach.

They said employers would be less likely to offer coverage if they knew their workers could get it elsewhere. In all, the authors projected that 20 million people would lose their employer-sponsored insurance under McCain's plan, while 21 million people would gain coverage through the individual market — little more than a wash.

It looks to me like you are full of #&%!$”

“Looks like McCain's playing at being 'the maverick' again ---- this time in regard to the financial meltdown.

Even the wingnuts are saying he never would've been nominated with that routine.

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“Yeah, this is the guy we need in charge right now...

McCain has conceded that he has less familiarity with economic issues than with national security. He struggled to find the proper tone on Monday, first declaring that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." Less than three hours later, after Obama accused him of being out of touch, McCain conceded the country is in an economic crisis but still said the fundamental strength of the American worker remains strong.

This stinks like Reagan going Alzheimers while still in office.”

“Liberal Flopsweat”

“It's Amazing. McCain, a champion of less regulation, a supporter of the act that freed AIG to go on the binge that let to it's collapse, changes track in the space of a few hours and now calls for regulation.

Is there nothing this man won't sell out.

His integrity first, now his core values -

I'm suspecting a sex change might be next as he tries to push even harder to get the Hillary supporters.”

“Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a top Hillary Clinton fundraiser, is expected to give her support to McCain. I hope she is prepared for the ravishing she is about to get from the left. Here is a sample, I only read the first few opinions before I decided it was a waste of my time http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/lynn-forester-de-rothschi_n_127047.html”

“Ok Hyway - I can see you don't want to talk about McCain ditching the ideology he's followed all his political career to win a few votes.

Regualtion - that's what you need!

He must have lost a fortune on those seven houses.”

“Y2 there is no point talking to you. You just make stuff up. I have already said that McCain was calling for a clean up of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac but couldn't get peeps on either side to get it done. I pointed out how your bull#&%!$ story about McCains health care plan would mean 20 million people would lose there health care plans was a bogus claim. Where have you replied to either of those claims. You haven't you just keep repeating McCain is just another bush when a large majority of Americans have already discounted that idea.

Its a waste of time to honestly debate with you.”

“Y2 and Democrats have a TRUTH problem.

They didn't care to know what it is.”

“Hyway - to be honest I think you maybe need to dip a toe in the real world instead of this McCain fantasy world that's going on.

McCain is a hard-core fiscal conservative pandering and dumping his ideology to win votes. (Morgan Stanly looking for a savior now. Goldman Sachs at risk too)

Palin is a religious extremist who in terms of running America, doesn't know her ass from her elbow.

You needed to read the rest of the post about healthcare you listed.

America has many troubles and you guys are just buying into these lies and diversions.

If you guys are anything to judge by America has much to fear for their future - because you can't even see you're being sold a pack of lies.

And Hyway - if you expect someone to just agree with some of the nonsense you write here then frankly you need to look somewhere else.”

“And 'nonsense' was about the tenth different word I went through when describing what you write ;op”

“y2, you post an article that says McCain plan will cause a 20 million people to lose health care coverage. I post an article that reviewed the exact same study your article was referring to and show that the study actually said 20 million people would no longer have their employee provided plan but those people plus 1 million more (21 million) would get their plan from outside their company. Which of our posts was nonsense and which was the actual representation of what the study said.

Go ahead. You can say it. The proof is right there to be seen. You lied.”

“Facts shmacts Hyway! Who needs 'em?”

“JCM is smart, he won't soon be spending his days on this slide.”

“The point of the article highway - was that the healthcare changes offered by McCain wouldn't do anything..

Did you read what I said afterwards - go check.

An yes it's opinion - but we need to look at this stuff, not what shade of lipstick

The whole point of that post was not McCain bad - it was that these are the important issues - not the crap distractions being thrown out by the McCain camp.

It kind of goes to the root of the problem with this campaign - most conservatives and certainly the McCain team are more interested in attacking liberals than what's going on in the world - you assume I'm the same.
last edited: 9/17/08 10:21:48 AM”

“So point out to me where I was lying please?

ps. I think you made my point better than I ever could.
last edited: 9/17/08 10:30:57 AM”

“McCainiacs had a rough day yesterday ---- every time they opened their mouths they stuck their foot in it.”

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/09/john-mccain-blows-off-supporting-the-community-choice-act-at-town-hall-meeting/

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“y2 thinks giving people a choice between employer provided health care (part of the compensation package provided for your labor) and using tax credits to shop for your own health care plan that best fits your needs is a bad thing even if it means a 5% increase in families having health care insurance just from that one change.”

“So you agree we should be talking about issues and not listening to the distractions then - I'm assuming so as you've changed the subject?

It's ok, I won't hold my breath for your apology for calling me a liar ;op”

“I have talked about issues the whole time. I have also talked about character (which is an issue). I have talked about experience (another issue). I've talked about taxes. I've talked about gas prices and the cause of them. I have talked about why the housing market took off then crashed and surprise suprise, the banks failed. I have been talking about issues. You seem to think the only issue is if McCain is just another bush”

“Ah, to be fair Hyway - you seem much more interested in issues that most.

My issue is that philosophically Bush and McCain are in very similar camps. (Probably a better comparison in Cheney as he's been running the show - but we can call it a Bush Administration).

There are some fundamental flaws in current conservative ideology emerging as a result of globalism, and the increasing complexity of life. These failings center around the way the average American has been sold down the river.

Everyone (apparently in the world) needs the average American to thrive, yet we've asked them to bear an increasing burden, offered him/her no way to increase their income, and now conservatives are taking no accountability for screwing the average American over.

McCain - his tax plan, his health plan, his energy plan, with his view on the markets (which has strangley morphed in the past 48-hours) thinks that by making the rich richer, and freeing the corporations to fleece us, we somehow all benefit with better jobs - only this hasn't been happening for a decade now. (I think the tech bubble covered this up for a while too)

We're sending trillions overseas to pay for oil
We're sending tech jobs overseas to india (effectively sending Billions overseas
We're outsourcing out manufacturing base to china.
We're spending billions on a flawed foreign policy.

This can't go on.

There needs to be a fundamental shift in thinking to put the average American first, because if he/she thrives then America thrives.

If that involves direct help then so be it, because help is certainly not trickling down.
last edited: 9/17/08 11:45:19 AM”

“Power to the proletariat!”

“It's kind of ironic that the last eight years of conservatism is leading to the nationalizion of the American financial services system.”

“Is Obama better off today than he was 8 years ago?”

“Conservatism?!? (spits water on the monitor)


Y2, I used to think you were far from the Kool Aid drinking left but your obvious panic-driven trolling over the last week or so has me seriously rethinking that. Next you'll be throwing out the diversion that Obama won't get elected due to racism. The list of excuses with which you're setting yourself up is growing. What comes after racism? Voter fraud?

Still, you keep plugging away, undeterred, in your quest for another nanny state, so I give you credit for that. At least you're diligent.”

“Isn't it me that's supposed to put words into your mouoth NonC????

Maybe you'd like to actually put some substance in something you post - for once - or twice, you did it the other week didn't you.

And my problem isn't with conservatism period, that's why I said current.

The past eight years has seen every industry that has gone to the whitehouse getting everything it wanted. Energy, communications, banking, logging, whichever.

We need to free up competition as cut back on the monopolies and cartels that have come to dominate.

I just don't believe that a McCain administration, staffed by lobbyists, will come to do this. He's already sold his soul to the right of his party, why will he be different when in office.

But I'm not talking of major redistributions of wealth here. But if you're gonna introduce tax cuts then give them to the people who need them, and who will do most to help America. If you're gonna reform healthcare than make it work for patients, not just big health firms.

If you're gonna reform credit, don't give all the breaks to the big financial firms.
last edited: 9/17/08 12:28:37 PM”

“I'm pacing myself, lol.”

“Ok, I'll take that back ;op
last edited: 9/17/08 12:24:21 PM”

“Ha--if we can't come in here and insult each other peacefully, then the terrorists have won.”

“They hate us because we're free you know.”

“It's quite telling that for McCain to back up his "Country First" slogan he's had to reverse himself on so many issues.

Who is he, really?

Who will he be next week?

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“Palin only took the heat off of him for two weeks. Now that the country has figured out what she's all about (not much), he has to actually face the issues. It's pretty painful to watch.”

“Maybe he should've gone with Piyush "Bobby" Jindal.

At least he knew how to do an exorcism.”