Spain Bends Over for AL'Qeuda

“Nope, we got 9/11 for meddling in the Middle East for many, many, many years. Being involved with Israel is yet one small spoke in the wheel of American Karma.

If we'd like to review the reason we got 9/11, I'd be more than happy to rehash.”

“Dewd,
Good point, If I where prez, Dictator, I would say f-ck the rest of the world and just protect what we have & fought for.”

“I'll pass on the re-education...LOL
I'll take your word for it...

Funny how things (World Affairs) get so messed up....

Cant we all just get along???”

“If a person offers a reward of $25,000 to anyone who manages to kill one of your family

would you call that terrorism ?

If instead of your family they offered that reward for killing members of a friends family, would you refuse to help that friend?

If the person offering that reward purchased tons and tons of nitrate fertilizer would you think they just had a big garden ?”

“right on, snafy! I wish we all could just get along!”

“Snafu - That is what Bush is doing, but that's not my point.”

“ever been to whetstone gulf or pixley falls state parks?? are they nice? any trails, camping?”

“Jmitch are those in Iraq ???
LOL
j/k

My father ran us all over NY state as kids, I prolly was there, but I cant remember.
Sorry dude...

Ya thinking of a trip ???
I have heard a lot of Whetstone Gulf and that it is a awesome place.

Recently, I have been to: Letchworth, "Lil, Letchworth" near Turin NY. Watkins Glen, NY and a few others”

“"If instead of your family they offered that reward for killing members of a friends family, would you refuse to help that friend?"



"Helping a friend" is what the goverment told us we were doing 40 years ago.

Most Americans had never heard of "that country" let alone considered it a "friend".

It turned out that we were lied to and the real purpose was to protect the commerce, which failed in the long run.

Now we are told that we are fighting for freedom for our "friends".

There just happens to be a $h!tload of petroleum there.

This mis-adventure has reeked from the git-go.”

“Nope, we got 9/11 for meddling in the Middle East for many, many, many years. Being involved with Israel is yet one small spoke in the wheel of American Karma.

If we'd like to review the reason we got 9/11, I'd be more than happy to rehash."
laqtis
11:10:38 AM
03/15/04

The reason for 9/11 was that there are some deeply disturbed psychopaths in the world.”

“I have no doubt that bushy had "oil" on the brain....”

“The confluence of strategy in Iraq was actually fairly elegant.”

“The reward was paid by the Iraqui government to the family of any suicide bomber in Israel.

We get no oil from Israel, never have.

The reward for suicide bombers was not 40 years ago, it was after Desert Storm and up to the time the US deposed the Hussain regime.

Iraq was sponsoring terrorism, all external signs were that they could be manufacturing Nukes and chemical weapons, but no one could confirm yes or no. They would let UN weapons inspectors in to look at some buildings and refuse others. They expelled the UN, and then let them back in multiple times, they broke most of the restrictions and santions imposed by the coalition at the end of Deserts Storm, and then comply at the last minute before military action was taken.

All this gave sufficient credence that they were just playing for time to have Congress agree to military action.”

“What a bunch of pu$$ies!”

“Manuka, how come Saudi Arabia always gets a pass on the same point that you use for Iraq in the above post. They are as guilty as sin of sponsoring terrorism and rewarding families like that...”

“I agree with you there Treebeard.

12 of the 18 terrorists who carried out 9/11 were Saudis.

My opinion was that the plot was dreamed up by the smaller multinational group whose common background was attending college in Germany. I think (opinion only) that they contacted Al Quaeda who provided money and muscle (12 Saudi grunts). It would not surprise me if the Saudis did not even know it was a one way trip.

I am no fan of either Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.

Probably the only good to come out of Iraq is the sudden willingness of Libya to open up for UN inspection and removal of the WMD plants they did have. Both a nuclear and a chemical project.”

“Osama Bin Laden is originally a Saudi also...”

“Our influence over the production and export of Iraqi oil will give us a new tool with which to pressure the Saudis. Military action against the Saudis is not feasible, since it is the home of Mecca and Medina and also holds sway over the entire world's economy through its oil industry.”

“Surefire strategy to get away from dependance on mideast oil? Not!”

“I think the US only uses about 13 percent of mid-east oil.”

“Palestinian "suiciders" do what they do for their own reasons.

And now that Bush's buddy Saddam is gone, they are still doing it.

They don't do it for money.

They don't do it for Iraq or Hussein, he was paying their families I suppose, to take a poke at Israel and the West.

Another thing to consider is that the Bush family has been in bed with the Kuwaiti royals since the '20s......coincedence?

The way to decrease dependency on Mid-East oil is to develope other motor fuels, not gain control of part of the Middle East.
Military control of Iraq only will give the psychopathic killers even more excuse to murder innocent people.”

“I think it is more accurately between 25 and 35 per cent, but I can't find the proof yet...”

“Mark O,
Absolutely!
we need to developed another fuel source.....
Actually the "Fuel Cell" is be worked on right here in Rochester NY area.....
I hope the oil giants don't squash it......”

“Oil is a commodity with a fairly standard price across the board. If Saudi oil goes up, so does Canadian oil. It doesn't matter where it's purchased.”

“oooo... nice x.”

“1. Anthrax in envelopes
2. Repubs attempt to take away freedom of speech.
3. US led invasion of Iraq"
Buddha Bear
10:02:41 AM
03/15/04

I expect better of you. 1 for 3 aint too hot.

Why is it no one on this thread is expressing disappointment that socialists have won the elections in Spain?”

“With all due respect, Stick, i have no business passing judgment on the politics of Spain!”

“Those talks were going on before Gulf War I, I believe. Libya was suffering from economic pressure since the Reagan years. The US press, ignored these negotiations, for whatever reason, until now. The Gulf war had nothing to do with it”

“Why is it no one on this thread is expressing disappointment that socialists have won the elections in Spain?"
StickmanWalking
stick, i mentioned it AND I'LL TELL YA WHY LIBERALS ARE HAPPY AB0UT IT AND THAT'A CUZ THE CONSERVATIVE LOST.....PLAIN AND SIMPLE, ANY ALTERNATIVE TO CONSERVATIVES US BETTER.....[oops, caps lock] this also confirms something i have asswerted on here many times which is that liberalism is much closer to socialism then conservativism is. of corse all the liberals on here threw a big hissy when i said that.”

“Actually they ousted the ruling party because they were not forthcoming about the possibility of it being Al Queda.

In other words, trying to hide information to get elected.

Gee,l wonder where they learned that.

Hopefully the people in this country will have the same outrage with this administration and follow the lead of the spanish people.

It has to do with honesty, not fear.”

“Stik - socialist has a different meaning in America than in Europe.
In US it's akin to Communism, in Europe it typically means left wing.”

“Vote for Gus Hall!”

“When you bow to terrorist demands, you will get more terrorist demands. The terrorist goal is to kill all Americans until the United States establishes a Taliban like government. We need Bush to strike at terrorist and terrorist supporting regimes because it is in the best interest of the United States.

Spain will have to live with the consequences of giving in to the terrorist bombings. In the long run, it will make Spain less safe.”

“Maybe, pros. But Europe has dealt with terrorists much longer than us. Maybe they know stuff we don't?”

“The terrorist goal is to kill all Americans until the United States establishes a Taliban like government.

Really? Which terrorists are working toward that goal (besides home-grown christofascist abortion-clinic bombers)?”

“Maybe the freak with the Anthrax?”

“Gas prices are at an all time high right now. Bush isn't doing a single thing about it. In 2002 he talked about continuing and expediting developement of alternatives to oil. I think that was a crock. Bush is doing what he can to ensure our dependence on oil for generations to come.
I think its interesting that there is an oiltanker named after Condaleeza Rice.

Not only was the Bush family in the pockets of Kuwait for years, but have also been conducting business with the Bin Laden family for years.

The elections in Spain do not surprise me. I expect to see all of the Bush supporting regimes being voted out of office when their elections arrive. That's what happens when a leader does not follow the will of his people. America did not support the war in Iraq as a whole, and as time of our occupation of Iraq icreases the support is waining even more. Bush's days in office are numbered. He has less than a year to be President.”

“"Not only was the Bush family in the pockets of Kuwait for years, but have also been conducting business with the Bin Laden family for years............."


Let us not forget that Bush I dad, GW Bushs granddaddy, was a Nazi simpathizer as well.

Looks like making money with the enemy if a "family value".....!”

“Gas prices are at an all time high right now. Bush isn't doing a single thing about it.

Hmmm....you don't consider taking control over the second largest proven oil resources in the world "doing" something about gas prices? Give it time...maybe 3 years. Watch for more acquisition in the middle east.”

“With all due respect, Stick, i have no business passing judgment on the politics of Spain!"
Treebeard
04:05:01 PM
03/15/04

I would think that posting on this thread is enough to constitute discussion of Spain's politics. And while I realize that socialism does not equal Communism per se, it being "left wing" is bad enough.

Redhawk, I assume that when you say you hope America follows Spain's lead, you don't mean by electing socialists.”

“and africa! Africa is the future. Watch for Chinese expansion in Russia as well - directly tied into our fossil fuel woes.”

“Al-Qaida tape stated "Our main objective is to fight and kill the Americans wherever they are on the globe". How do you negotiate with that? Offer them half of the Americans if they promise to let the other half alone? You do not negotiate with Al Qaeda. You bring war to Al Qaeda and terrorist supporting regimes.”

“And while I realize that socialism does not equal Communism per se, it being "left wing" is bad enough.

Communism is a reflection of a totalitarian government. Socialism is a reflection of a representative government. The philosophies are remarkably similar.”

“How do you negotiate with that? Offer them half of the Americans if they promise to let the other half alone? You do not negotiate with Al Qaeda. You bring war to Al Qaeda and terrorist supporting regimes.

Oh I agree. But their goal is not to foment a religious uprising in America. Rather, it's to bring about an Islamic revolution in the Middle East.”

“Al Qaeda's short term objectives is to kill all Americans and establish Taliban like governments in the middle east. Al Qaeda's long term objectives is killing all non-muslim Americans and establishing a Taliban like governments world wide, including in the United States.”

“Before we invaded Iraq, we were critisized from different parts of the globe about our agressive policies. Right or wrong, our president decided to flex his muscles in the face of these nations and basically tell them that if they didn't like what we were doing and didn't want to aid us, to go to hell. That was pretty much the message from what I saw, but perhaps the words were different. However, the idea was the same. So, if we can take that stand with other nations, why can't I say that maybe we should stay out of other nations politics. I don't see why the door doesn't swing both ways. Just a different perspective to view that from...”

“I agree with our staying out of other nations' politics, and they should do the same with the U.S. My point was that if we, as the collective idiots at TT, are going to discuss this topic, I would expect some dismay at socialism gaining more of a foothold in Spain. But we need to quit posting on any topics I'm interested in except basketball, because I can't keep getting interrupted while drawing up my picks for the basketball thread!”

“atleast Clinton dipped into the reserve to lower prices when they spiked on his watch. If Bush was doing what was right and promoting alt. fuels and sources of power, we wouldn't even need a national reserve. What the wolrd does not realize is that the real terrorists are the oil companies. They are the most evil entities out there.”