Current Republican Misleading Attack Spi n

“because the alternative is so undesireable.....”

“sn't the ongoing issue that he contradicted himself in statements he gave under oath in 2002 with the statements he is giving under oath today?"
Miss Anne Thrope
06:09:54 AM

No. He did a background briefing for the press in '02. He was not under oath.”

“How come no one actually mentions exactly what these contradictions are?

I mean, if they could be a reason for perjury charges, it would seem like someone would actually state them.”

“mtnsteve, in 2002 he told the press that the current administration had increased covert ops 5 fold from what the clinton admin had, he now says they did less then the clinton admin has.

phaed, do you feel a person needs to be under oath to be considered a liar? i don't.”

“Was that before 9/11 or after?

Were the cover ops against al Qaeda?”

“Late edition is on CNN right now. They have richard clarke and richard perl. You can get the perspective of both sides.”

“yes to both accounts. he made the comments of "more covert ops" after the 9/11 attacks but while he was still working in an anti terror role. he has since parted ways with the bush admin. over differing opinions on iraq. he has changed his story since the parting of ways.”

“i don't have access to a television at the moment.”

“Just about anyone would be an improvement, Dewd.”

“i saw him on deFace the nation....

he basically said he lied cuz they told him to...h e said they wanted him to paint a rosey picture of things....

you could tell he was lying his a$$ of, he wouldn't look russert in the eye....all shifty...and he had bad breath too...”

“Heh knucklehead....Tim Russert is on Meet the Press, not Face the Nation. Cute little bad breath comment. You must have nothing really factual to add to this discussion. Just more nonsense. That must have been your breath you were smelling.

I hear that there will be 2 new reality show on this fall....
one's called W's outta work. The other is called ...Golly, W won and my job fixin fridges just got outsourced.

I used to try to find some common ground with you dewd, but you seem hopeless.

Jihad Morons!”

“oooh, that's original, call me stupid. nice argument. i bet you really convince alot of people with that one. did you think of it all by yourself? over and over and over, it's all you got....insult my intelligence. wow, the politics of negativity sure does appeal to liberals for some reason....

ok jo, let's review, since you are so much smarter than me... so what makes you think bush lied and what did he lie about?

i'll show you how a stupid man can prove you wrong.”

“Dewd.....I NEVER called you stupid. Like I've said before though... if the shoe fits , wear it. If you can't stand the heat, well you know the rest wimp. Don't hide behind your little pity seeking simple good ole boy act.

Your schtick (a.k.a. act) here is to either cut and paste others thoughts or say "outrageous" biting things like that Clarke must be wrong and lieing because you think they have bad breath. This is juvenile at best.

As far as being liberal...you have no idea who you're dealing with and what my politics are. I will not be pigeon-holed especially by, yes, a lazy thinker. That doesn't say stupid, it says LAZY THINKER.
There are Republicans who I admire and care for. They are not afraid to question Bush. Stop acting stupid.”

“According to recent polls, nearly nine in 10 Bush supporters say they "strongly" support him, compared with two in three Kerry voters. JO, I would say if you "questions Bush", then it IS fair to call you a liberal. If the shoe fits, wear it.”

“No one has denied that he has hos base, Pros. But, what you neglect to say is that his base has eroded over recent times. He is also running a one issue campaign. So, it's not as rosy for him as you paint it...”

“9 out of 10 tells me that 9 out of 10 are afraid to differ in opinion. "You're either with us or against us". GW Bush.”

“For the record, I am the one who correctly ascertained that stratdewd is "stupid".

2/3 is more like 7/10.... lol!

Its the folks in the middle that count prosecutor, you know that. if you think any dems will vote for Bush this election, like last election, you're crazy!”

“Thank God we have this guy out there. He actually gets paid to debunk the republican lies, so me, Q, Tilt, Violin and MarkO can get more work done and contribute to the GNP.

Latest:
HANNITY'S LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED
About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:
Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it. Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq. Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it. Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it. No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it. Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it. The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times. What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
Let’s take these one at a time.
Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.
This is a lie. Kerry’s position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. What Hannity is doing here is taking Kerry’s vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and deliberately misrepresenting it as a declaration in favor of gay marriage. But let me read you what Kerry said on the floor of the Senate about that vote.
“I will vote against this bill, though I am not for same-sex marriage, because I believe that this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed….the results of this bill will not be to preserve anything, but will serve to attack a group of people out of various motives and rationales, and certainly out of a lack of understanding and a lack of tolerance, and will only serve the purposes of the political season.”
And on that, I totally agree with him. So, for the record: Kerry has been totally consistent on this. He has never flip-flopped. Sean Hannity is lying, and he knows it.

Next.
Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.
Okay. This is just stupid. Kerry’s position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:
“The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didn’t. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didn’t. We’re paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. It’s a failure of diplomacy, and today it’s a failure of leadership.”
Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

Next.
Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.
This is correct, but it’s not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you can’t hold those two ideas in your head, you won’t enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

Next.
Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.
Well, here’s what Kerry said:
“I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.”
In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you can’t hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.
This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerry’s position is consistent, and principled, and Hannity’s is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didn’t fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act.

Next.
Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it.
Actually, Sean’s right on this one. Kerry was against the death penalty before 9/11. And after 9/11, he now supports the death penalty for terrorists. Now, Bush—before 9/11, wanted to invade Iraq. And after it, wanted to invade Iraq. So maybe he was more consistent. Kerry was affected viscerally by 9/11. I’m not sure I’d call that a flip-flop.

Next.
The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.
This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerry’s votes for, quote, “higher taxes.” Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the “windfall profit” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someone’s got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bush’s list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bush’s list, there’s only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. It’s his vote for Clinton’s 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.
What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is you’re going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh—they’re liars too.

Posted 04.06.2004 · Comments (321)”

“Al Franken, huh. Now there is an honest man.”

“"Al Franken, huh. Now there is an honest man."

Yes, I always rely on Saternight Live cast members to shape my political views. I wonder when Tracy Morgan's book will be out?”

“Sorry, that’s Saturday Night Live”.”

“Bolshevik Bear

The Gross National Product (GNP) is the total dollar value of all final goods and services produced for consumption in society during a particular time period. Its rise or fall measures economic activity based on the labor and production output within a country. The figures used to assemble data include the manufacture of tangible goods such as cars, furniture, and bread, and the provision of services used in daily living such as education, health care, and auto repair. Intermediate services used in the production of the final product are not separated since they are reflected in the final price of the goods or service. The GNP does include allowances for depreciation and indirect business taxes such as those on sales and property.

I don't now what Q, Tilt or Violin do for a living, but I would guess that a union rep and a librarian contribute very little to the GNP.”

“I was being sarcastic, and I'd like to think that my consumption of those goods makes me worthy, even if it's a tiny bit, of being part of the equation.

Good to hear from ya Savage!”

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