Worst President?

“Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war.
They complain about his prosecution of it. They point out that
Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and we shouldn't have went to war
with them.
One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in
U.S. history.
Most of these claims come from liberals in the Democratic party.
Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see
if using that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president.
FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and Japan.
Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
That's 1 Democratic President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives
Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, North
Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average
of 18,333 per year.
That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives.
John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam
never attacked us.
Lyndon B. Johnson (a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's
Richard Nixon (a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam.
That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000
American lives.
Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us.
The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors
in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured Sadaam
Hussein, who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
We lost about 600 soldiers, an average of 200 a year. Bush did all this
abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
That's 1 Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives.
Then the Democrats complained about how long the war on terror is taking,
but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it TOOK JANET RENO TO TAKE THE
BRANCH DAVIDIAN C0MPOUND! THAT WAS A 51 DAY OPERATION!
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for LESS TIME THAN
IT TOOK HILLARY CLINTON TO LOCATE THE ROSE LAW FIRM RECORDS IN HER OWN OFFICE!
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took TED KENNEDY TO CALL THE POLICE AND GIVE
HIMSELF UP AFTER HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRUNK AND SANK HIS OLDSMOBILE IN
THE CHAPPAQUIDIK RIVER KILLING THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HIS PASSENGER!
And Finally...
IT TOOK LESS TIME FOR THE U.S. MILITARY TO TAKE IRAQ THAN IT DID TO COUNT THE
VOTES IN FLORIDA IN 2000!!!!
But for some reason the Democrats didn't complain about how long any of that took! Hmmm.....”

“good troll...”

“Judging from the spacing it's a classic cut and paste as well. Redundant shlt stinks weather it's on the right side of the isle or the left side.

Yawn!”

“Very observant of you young man. You are correct. It is cut and paste. Kind of POed me when I saw how it came out. But I insure you, it is a cut and paste from my word document. Had to check for spelling because when the Bush bashers can't respond intelligently they resort to stuff like"Learn how to spell" or "That's a classic cut and paste" I also left some room for debate. But you probably can't figure that out.
BTW: Aren't you that crying little boy who claimed several years ago " You people are so mean to me, I'm leaving and never coming back. Boo Who.”

“Just for the record, Germany declared war on us.”

“Some historians put Saddam Hussein's death toll over 1 million since he was responsible for the Iran-Iraq war.”

“I thought Al Gore was the worst President.”

“John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam
never attacked us.


For your information, Eisenhower sent in the first 'advisors' which started the Vietnam conflict. Get your facts straight.



Bush did all this
abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home


Fat lady hasn't sung yet. I don't feel particualarly safe.



Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us.

Did you watch the second Gore-Bush debate. Your beloved president said he approved of this mission (not a war in the same sense as the other conflicts you compare it to)


That's 1 Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives.


A mere pittance, huh? I'm guessing you didn't have a son, daughter, brother, sister or whatever lose their life there.


I'm not going to even bother with the rest of the pot shot BS on this POS you posted. It's propoganda and of course, you got the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval from the Minister Of Propaganda himself, our beloved Master of the Stratacaster!”

“Treebeard, that's "StatOcaster"

Get it right ya dang Butch Bascher!”

“Thinking that kowtowing to your abusers will lessen the abuse is pretty sick. Throw the bums and liars out next November.

Lots of people are dead and dying unnecessarily... and the country is going bankrupt.

Way Ta Go, guys!”

“The source doesn't really matter. From your e mail in box, some fringe media source, from your doc file. It's the intent of the whole thing that shows what you're after. I'm all for conservatism and furthuring it's goals but to come on a blatently liberal board and try to convert people or prove yourself right is just sheer trolling. Why not use your origanal screen name?

Ah, same shlt, differant day on TT.”

“THe goals of conservatism are being furthered in Iran qite nicely.”

“The source doesn't matter is correct, Nigal. When this type of slanted tripe comes up, whether it be left or right, it smells the same no matter which st_t-heap it came from...”

“as if looking up every piece of dirt on democratic presidents will clear the present one of all wrong-doing. As if the 5000 on the injured list doesn't matter, as if the 600 who died, didn't really fight against a war on terrorism, like was fed to you with a silver spoon, and you don't even want to look at the propaganda lies. This isn't a guarilla war. remember that one? If we were going to end the war on terrorism, then we should of invaded Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, but since they have WMD, then I guess we can't. Sure, we are going to hold Pakistan personally responsible for any bin Laden terrorist events in the world, like 9-11 and spain. or the next nuclear explosion on the coast of CA.”

“"The source doesn't matter is correct, Nigal. When this type of slanted tripe comes up, whether it be left or right, it smells the same no matter which st_t-heap it came from..."

The whole thing is that when people with an agenda set out to prove something they really should AVOID using certain language. The way things run now days people look for certain flags in political opinions. When I read something that starts out like…

"LIBERALS CLAIM President Bush shouldn't have started this war.
THEY COMPLAIN about his prosecution of it. They point out that
Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and we shouldn't have went to war
with them.”

…automatically my eyes glaze over and my brain checks out because the writer has instantly invalidated anything they may have to say because I know right away that I’m not going to get anything that is balanced nor un skewed. A really good piece of writing would give the reasons the libs thing what they think and then it would give the reasons why they are mistaken if they are. It would give the proof that libs are using and then show how it is not accurate if they are. This doesn’t hardly even happen in the professional media world so why would I expect some internet hack wanker to do it?

I’m a conservative and I voted for Bush. I support him and I will vote for him again but anyone, and I mean ANYONE that talks about Iraq as if everything was and is on the up and up and everything is rosy is just being intellectually dishonest.”

“You are right about the way the language is used on these articles, Nig! Why do you think I instantly gloss over Stratdewd's cut and pastes. It works both ways. I am aware of that...”

“I’m a conservative and I voted for Bush. I support him and I will vote for him again but anyone, and I mean ANYONE that talks about Iraq as if everything was and is on the up and up and everything is rosy is just being intellectually dishonest."
Nigal
08:32:11 AM
03/30/04



Nigal, I couldn't agree more. For those few of us who wanted to see more proof before the body bags started coming home, it is even more painful to watch.”

“It really does infuriate me that the political climate is such that we demand perfection from our leaders to the point that even when they do screw the pooch they can’t come clean, admit it and move on. They are either 100% right or it’s the death nil for them. The partisan bar has been set too high.”

“Why do you think I instantly gloss over Stratdewd's cut and pastes. It works both ways. I am aware of that..."
Treebeard


i think you are afraid that i'll make sence. you can't handle the truth....

i cut n paste cuz there's some really smart people out there. people who have studied this stuff their entire carrers, not some lardass comedian with a grudge. if i only gave my "opinion" all the time, who would listen to that? i'm just a stupid guitar player...everyone here has an opinion, and it was formed by ...something or someone. you can't have an opinion if you haven't ever heard of a subject. either you heard about it on TV, or read something about it from micheal moore, or in a newspaper...or on NPR...whatever.
don't pretend that you are so smart that you know everything by osmosis...or because you were born with the knowledge ...that's absurd. i back my sh1t up. yes, i'm partisan, eberyone on here is. big STANKIN deal....

i give my opinion, then i back it up with other peoples opinions.

glaze over it, i don't care. it only proves your mind is closed and made up, reguardless of the facts. the stuff i put up is loaded with facts.

it's like the one dood said on here on the "dear presiden bush" thread....i'll hate bush no matter what...you aren't interested in the truth, the whole story, both sides of the argument, and that proves it...that's a fact

jihad bush”

“Hey, dewd, I may be a comedian with a grudge, but I am NO lard ass!!!”

“Strat, I am going to say this with sincerity. The truth is, I will never fault you for your beliefs. But, some of the things you are saying are a bit contradictory. For instance, you accuse Violin of doing all the c & P crap and then look at what you are doing. Also, I truly have read lots of your stuff in the past. But, it seems lately that you have become so obsessive with this, that the sources you quote have become so long and repetitive that i can no longer read this stuff. It has become so prdictable because ot all says the same thing. It's short on substance and sometimes full of unfounded allegations. Also, like Phaedrus said, give people a break on length. The threads are becoming so cluttered that they are too tedious to read. Again, I am trying to not disrespect you, but you don't give an inch either. You don't repsond when asked specific questions. You just go off on your own agenda whether it has to do with the point at hand or not. And let's not kid ourselves with the overuse of certain terms. I am sorry, Buddy, but there are only so many times you are going to call me a liberal, commie, socialist or what-have-you and expect me to keep on listening to you.”

“Conservative=Closed Mind

Liberal=Open Mind

......deal with it, dewd!”

“So none of those Democratic Presidents ever did any good for the nation or world community according to the implications in that post.

Chef one broke 12 eggs this morning.

Chef two only broke one egg this morning.

Clearly Chef two is the better Chef. Well, untill you add in the fact that Chef one made omlettes with those eggs and Chef two dropped his egg on the floor.”

“Bill dropped his seed on Monica's dress.”

“~snort~
lol.”

“That's the same old horsecrap I heard in highschool during the '60s.

"Democrats start wars, Republicans don't."

It was junior high school drool then as now.

The ruling class profit from wars, what ever their party affiliation, and the lower classes pay in blood and treasure.”

“"Bill dropped his seed on Monica's dress."
ULTRAPecker
09:51:51 AM

Jeez, man! Doesn't parroting this all the time get old for you?”

“Does anyone else find it funny how Moveon.org was created to move on from the seed spreading/lying under oath issue but they are still around even though we HAVE moved on? They are so pit bullish and keep hammering on the same dead crap they should restructure themselves to move on their own selves. LOL!”

“tree, i never talked about violin's c&p till yas'll started hammering me on that. never. i may bash what the writer says but me mentioning the fact that he does c&p was me trying to point out the hypocrits.

i give so many different people to demonstrate that there is alot of conflicting information than what is presented on here. to show that there IS another point of view and that it's not just onw kook (limbaugh) saying it. there alot...and as long as this board remains so one-sided, i can't help but to present the whole story. each(most anyway) article takes a slightly different tact and makes a different point. it all adds up to my total image of the big picture. if you don't look at it all, you have on blinders....by choice. you are refusing to be objective or intellectually honest.

never called you a commie, but i do think you are a liberal. my best friend here is a liberal also. it's no big deal. are you ashamed that people know that about you?

J F'ing Kerry wants to distance himself from the L word too...even though he's been documented as THE MOST liberal member of congress.
I could show you an entire article to prove it....but i guyess you ain't interested in truth....or are you?”

“It's not the term, Strat. It's the concept of labeling that gets old. Especially when it's accompanied by accusations and finger pointing to the other side. Again, I am not trying to argue apples an oranges with you. Just pointing out what I see.

And the other thing is, how can your picture be so well rounded if all the stuff comes from the same corner of the conservative ideology?”

“"J F'ing Kerry wants to distance himself from the L word too..."

That's because the S word is more fitting.

S = socialist”

“Case in point, Nigal!”

“LOL! Wasn't trying to change anyone's mind or prove anyone wrong. It's just my opinion that the guy is more socialist than democrat and is the most dangerouse thing to come around sense Bob Dole. He's a disaster waiting to happen. 8)”

“That term is becoming quite a catch phrase. And like others, it is already being twisted to mean whatever the mudslinger wants people think it does.”

“i'm saying that the one corner of conservative(there you go using labels again) is way bigger than is portrayed here.
labels have to be used to identify who we are talking about.
i don't have time to be all butt-kissing nice. i'm just sstating my opinions, to balance things out. it's 10-1 liberal/conservative in here. disagree? every jihad bush thread is finger pointing, and like i've said...i don't start very many of these political threads....it's always the left bashing the right....95% of them at least.

issues man. substance over symbolism. thinking over feeling. not trying to be rude, just to the point.”

“Yeah, kind of like "neocon"?”

“Actually, yes, Nigal. And personally, I have tried to stay away from that and other cliched terms. I know it's hard sometimes to resist using things like that. But, it does make things more enjoyable when we get away from the name calling.”

“Well, 10-1 may be a atretch. But, irregardless, the right is in power now. I wasn't here during the Clinton administraion, but I am willing to bet that when the Lewinsky thing broke (and probably before) the ratios in the thread count were undoubtedly different. Yes, the balance of power does make a difference. That's the nature of the beast, isn't it?”

“Must hike wrote: Just for the record, Germany declared war on us."
Very good !!!! So did Italy. I caught that but thought I'd leave it in to see if anybody would notice. Besides "Strat" , I could respect an opinion of yours. Someone who knows History, Knows how this world works.”

“I do agree with you on one thing. I know MustHike and he's a really good guy. And very bright too. Matter of fact, his knowledge of history way surpasses yours, given the errors in you first post...”

“Ouch, that hurt!!!! (NOT)
LOL”

“Conservatives must not stoop to the negative finger pointing of the left.”

“What's your excuse, then, Bacpac?”

“Again with the blind side attack? Your negativity has clouded your perception.”

“someone is pickin on must hike? the man with the best good looking legs?

ok put um up!”

“No, MH is ok. It's just the evil Treeman picking on Bacpac again. I don't understand myself. I mean, this guy has always had a kind word to say to me and I go ahead and just blindside him all the time. I just don't understand me.”

“you should get spanked!”

“Who me?”

“umm well no treebeard.



but you can get bacpac to do it for you :D”

“"Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly, yet our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.

March 20, 2003 speech by dubya shrub

And Army Chief Eric Shinseki saying that the Iraqi war would need 300,000 soldiers to occupy and control Iraq in the aftermath of the shock -and- awe. Marine general Anthony Zinni refuting the evidence of WMD in Iraq. Shinseki said he would like to run as a democrat in Hawai'i and Zinni says he'll never get involved in politcs again.”