Phuck Iraq!

“This is just terrible :-(
There are not Civilized people!
phuck 'em all!


U.S. officials say they expect more attacks like the one that saw four American contractors slain and their bodies mutilated in Fallujah.

U.S. officials said the civilian contractors were killed Wednesday in a grenade attack by suspected insurgents.

Afterward, residents cheered and pulled charred bodies from burning vehicles and hung them from a Euphrates River bridge.

Crowds gathered around the vehicles and dragged at least one of the bodies through the streets, witnesses said.

Residents pulled another body from one of the cars and beat it with sticks.

Violence continued Thursday as two roadside bombs exploded northwest of Baghdad, apparently targeting a convoy of 25 fuel tankers under U.S. military escort, according to eyewitnesses and military sources.

The first improvised explosive device (IED) hit an Iraqi civilian vehicle at 7:30 a.m. (11:30 p.m. ET Wednesday), sending the driver to a hospital for treatment, witnesses said. About 40 minutes later, the second IED struck the fuel tanker convoy, wounding an employee for a U.S. military contractor who was driving one of the fuel trucks.

The IEDs are believed to have been detonated by remote control.

None of the trucks exploded, and the wounded driver -- whose nationality was unclear -- was evacuated for further treatment. Video of the scene showed the driver with bandages over his eyes and a neck brace, getting out of the fuel tanker with some help from U.S. military personnel.

The front windows of two trucks were shattered. At least one truck had a KBR (Kellogg, Brown and Root ) logo on its door. KBR is a subsidiary of Halliburton, a Houston-based oil field-services and construction company, which provides fuel for the U.S. military.

The bombs exploded on a highway between the Sula and Huriya districts of Baghdad.

Fallujah incident 'offensive' and 'despicable'
The slayings and mutilations of the American contractors Wednesday in Fallujah evoked condemnation and revulsion in the United States.

In 1993, similar television images of jubilant Somalis dancing on a downed Black Hawk helicopter and dragging the bodies of soldiers through Mogadishu undercut public support for what was intended to be a humanitarian mission.

The United States withdrew its troops from Somalia within a year.

But the Bush administration vows it will stay the course in Iraq even beyond the transfer of power set for June 30, and the military remains resolute.

"This is not going to stop us from doing our mission," said Brig”

“The thing that outrages me is, where is the condemnation from the world’s Muslims? These people killed them in the name of Allah. This is directly opposed to what the Quran teaches so where is the outrage for their sins against Allah from the non fanatical Muslims?

Religion of peace my phucking a$$.”

“I know what'll fix their wagon- send Sadaam back to them!”

“I kinda remember one of those commandments thingy's

Thou Shall not kill!”

“It's a good question, Nigal. And so is the question of whether these people can really handle democracy and is this worth the sacrifices our country made for them...”

“Tree,
I don't think they can! They have been this way for thousands of years!
Aero, ROTFLMAO!
That would be awesome!
Send back Saddam today and say "APRIL FOOLS"!!!”

“I never disiilusioned myself into thinking that they could. This stuff is far from over...”

“I'm serious! They don't want US or our democracy there!

So, send the guy back and let them figure out what to do with him! We should pull out and save ourselves 100's of BILLIONs of dollars for something they don't want.”

“I beleive that culture should be eradicated somehow someway. Any culture that dances in the death of another and celebrates that very death, should be eradicated. And I agree with Nigal...where the hell are the "good" muslims and why are they not condemning the actions that took place in Fallujah?”

“"It's a good question, Nigal. And so is the question of whether these people can really handle democracy and is this worth the sacrifices our country made for them..."

Way back when Islamic countries were among the best and brightest in the world. Then they began falling into the dictatorships we have now and they haven’t moved forward sense about the 1600s. What was the last great Arab/Islamic accomplishment? Any great inventions? Any great medical finds? Any meaningful products besides oil? Any great contributions at all to the world?

Every religion undergoes a reforming age of enlightenment at one point or another. Christianity did. They decided that chopping people into pieces and burning them may not be the best way to deal with non Christians and the church has evolved over the years. Islam is about 300 years behind the other world religions because their religion is dictated to them. I don’t think they will be able to undergo their age of enlightenment until they have the freedoms we have in order to move forward.

But still, savagery is no excuse and they should be met with an equitable amount of force.”

“I don't buy into blaming every muslim for the acts of these particular soulless phucks, but I will say that as long as our military is there, the people on the video need to be captured and given a chance to "explain themselves".”

“So, this is actually an investment for the 24th century?”

“I feel that just because things may not take place within our lifetime we shouldn't strive to achieve them.”

“I didn't say that. I just feel that too many things (armed insurgency, civil wars, religious differences) can affect the outcome of a proposition like that. Where do we draw the line between that being a reality and a pipe dream? The Pali/Israeli thing hasn't gotten any better. The Israelis are hardly 300 years behind the times. How long has that battle been raging? So, as much as that sounds ideal, it may not be a reality, even three hundred years from now. Still, we are faced with the question of whether it is worth the sacrifice. And note that I didn't bring up the fact that we went to war under different pretenses...”

“"I didn't say that. I just feel that too many things (armed insurgency, civil wars, religious differences) can affect the outcome of a proposition like that. Where do we draw the line between that being a reality and a pipe dream? The Pali/Israeli thing hasn't gotten any better. The Israelis are hardly 300 years behind the times. How long has that battle been raging? So, as much as that sounds ideal, it may not be a reality, even three hundred years from now. Still, we are faced with the question of whether it is worth the sacrifice. And note that I didn't bring up the fact that we went to war under different pretenses..."


The Israelis might not be 300 years behind but the folks they are fighting sure as hell are. LOL! I think you may have been understanding my post in reverse. I wasn’t saying “make them free and they will stop being a bunch of A-holes. I’m saying that until they are free, they will never stop being A-holes. Freedom is no guarantee of reformation but it is a necessary ingredient.”

“The fact remains that more people in history have died as a result of religious differences than all other causes put together. I think that is a safe 'given'. Religious differences don't go away easy, if at all. They last thousands of years in many cases. There is a lot of division amongst the muslim groups there. Perhaps one of the reasons no one has spoken up is exactly that. I don't know what sect these animals were. Let's say they were Sunnis, for argument sake. Would the Shiites be up denouncing them? I don't know.”

“True, Nigal. But, also we have think practicality. Of all the places we could 'reform', why Iraq? And what about all those other dictatorships?”

“You mean some of you people don’t have faith in others who celebrate things by firing automatic weapons in the air.”

“When the crowd formed and beat the bodies and hung them, we did not know if the americans were dead or alive.

Erring on the side of protecting our own, I'd have lit up the entire crowd of Iraqi's to protect possible survivors....

If the Contractors were dead, we'd still have taken out a lot of resistance operators and their supporters.

Am I a violent warmongerer?...admittedly, YES.

Correct manner of dealing with countries that attack or threaten american lives: Reduce the country to stone age and leave. When they are busily scrabbleing for food and water to survive, they will be to busy to care about us...when they manage to rise up and yell death to america again, THEN we go back and do it again....

Politically correct? NO. Never said I was. Heck my first act as president if elected would be to pull out the troops and NUKE all towns of more than 2000 people.(AFTER giving the population a chance to move back to their desert roots...)”

“I agree with Supertroll.”

“Let's see, first we were told that we needed to invade Iraq because of 9-11. Turns out there was no link.

Then we were told we needed to invade Iraq because they were stockpiling WMD. So much for that argument...

Then we were told that we invaded Iraq to liberate its people from Sadaam and let them install their own, democratic government. That apparently isn't the case either.

I'm waiting for the next "reason" from our fearless leader.”

“"True, Nigal. But, also we have think practicality. Of all the places we could 'reform', why Iraq? And what about all those other dictatorships?"

I’m not talking about Iraq specifically. I’m talking about ALL Islamic régimes. We are not there to “reform” Muslims. Reformation has to come from the inside and is a byproduct of being opened up to the rest of the real world. Most of these countries control all media and the people don’t even know what’s going on outside their borders. And what of the other dictators? Hell, I would have started with the Saudis. Saddam is clearly the winner of the Murdering Nutjob of the Mideast award so the choice is fairly obvious to me.”

“Maybe he just wanted to be a serial killer. That is what he has ended up being.”

“Why restrict it to the mideast then?”

“Bush, that is.”

“Ha! Good one Wolfeyes!”

“"Then we were told we needed to invade Iraq because they were stockpiling WMD. So much for that argument..."

They're in the Kung Pow! LOL!

It’s a vicious cycle really. They throw rocks at us, we bomb their buildings making more rocks for them to throw at us, we bomb some more buildings giving them more rocks…

Go in there and take away all the rocks and end the whole thing! LOL!”

“Nigal is proposing a foreign policy based on human rights.

Nigal's a liberal.”

“Phaedrus, that's priceless!”

“Maybe this Iraq thing is like someone who thinks if they marry someone they will be able to change them into what they want and in the end they just end up divorced and hating each other.”

“"Why restrict it to the mideast then?"

I never said to restrict it to the middle east. It's the starting place because this is where the biggest trouble is.”

“North Korea didn't make the list?”

“Every war has resulted in the US feeling sympathy for the very people we bombed. They then come to this country. I figure in about 10 years, true Americans will be the minority and we will be run by the Iraqis, eating Japanese food, and listening to Barbara Streisand. The rest of the thugs will be drinking large quantities of good German beer from large golden steins. "Faces of Death" will be the number one series on NBC while Martha Stewart, still in prison, gives the Elites stock information.”

“Ridiculous social xenophobia.”

“The next reason will be the oil!
Wait!
Maybe that was the first reason?

I like super trolls idea.
Protect your own first and foremost! We have enough proplems in country to solve rather then going around trying to solve everyone else's.”

“I see your point...but...

Do you always do things because of someone else's reasons, or do you occasionally use the opportunities presented by circumstance to do things for your OWN reasons?

Not finding fault here, I can only speak for myself , but in 21 years in the military, I was deployed on numerous occasions to do things for one stated political reason or another...fine, send me; but my reasons for going and doing were considerably different than those of the Commanders and Politicians that sent me there....and MY reasons dictated the methods I employed to accomplish the missions assigned. Less violence where I thought it need to be done differently, or MORE as the situation dictated...during the Debriefings, I cited Operation Neccessity....I was the one on the ground, not the politicians...


My point? The US Military is in IRAQ for the reasons cited by the President, varied as they may be, but the job continues to be done by Americans for as many differing reasons as there are troops deployed.”

“"North Korea didn't make the list?"


Again, I am speaking of a religious reformation not global politics on the issue of being the world’s police. Treebeard, with all due respect get to your point. You are trying to apply things merely by my not mentioning something so just spit it out.”

“Supertroll, while your idea of selective nuclear holocaust might sound like a nifty idea to you, you do realize it's nothing but rhetoric, right?”

“Nigal, I am not trying to be simply obstinate with you. If I am straying, I apologize. I guess it comes back to my skepticism with the original point. I have little faith in these people coming around to our ways. I always had a little problem with the policy of nailing our beliefs to the soles of the natives shoes. I guess that's the thrust of it...”

“Can you see them coming around by staying under the heal of tyranny as they are now? Can you see them coming around by any other means than freedom?”

“Selective nuclear holocaust just might inspire MORE holy war, hello?”

“WWIV is well underway.

submission.... appeasment .... diplomacy....they are not viable options...they will never resolve this conflict.

i am serious....it's time. either you're with us or you're against us...

we have been given no choice. eventually, everyone here will understand this. hope that happens sooner rather than later....

deal with it. the jews in europe didn't believe it either...

it has begun”

“The jews had had no power. We have all the power.”

“Would I be out of line if I said that I worry more about the people of this country rather than the Iraqis?”

“And let me guess, the battlefield is borders, language and culture? Am I right?”

“That was to strat BTW.”

“No tree you wouldn’t, because the only people who can defeat us are ourselves.”

“Yes, SELECTIVE. Rhetoric?...ANY suggested solution to ANY problem is, until IMPLEMENTED.

More Holy War?...MORE SELECTION.

Muslims outnumber most all other religions, but as a Turkish friend of mine once told me, "I am Muslim, like many Christians are Christian....I do not go to mosque...."

It's not hard to see the end of Holy War, when you envision bombing a building and losing your whole country in response. Why did Saddam manage to control IRAQ? because his response was so over the top that FEAR lead people to back down.

FEAR. Vote SuperTroll for President. Terrorist states will not respect me, but they will BY GOD F E A R me...

Not because I crave power, or oil, but because I VALUE peace.”

“Have I mentioned that I am an unabashed instigator?....I tend to say things designed to stimulate conversations, and bring out sides to people they tend to hide...gives more insight into personal views and agendas they may wish hide....”

“Ridiculous. Congratulations on the most idiotic take on foreign relations on TT.”