Poll: Bush's position against Kerry stre ngthens

“Even kerry can't screw up all the ammo Bush has created in four years.”

“No Dunadan, people in the religious right, and most other conservatives blame individuals for their own actions. String em up. People at the top would only be blamed if they contributed directly to a culture that allowed that to happen and there's nothing to indicated that that is the case for Bush or even Rummy at this point, and probably not even for the top Iraq commanders, I would imagine that it stops with either that Guard General who ran the prison or her immediate superior. Knowing Bush when he says it makes him sick to his stomach, he means it.”

“But Phaed you're forgetting that Kerry spent a lot more time creating a lot more ammo, Rove hasn't gotten down anywhere near to the good stuff yet.”

“"Q you're forgetting a very important political axiom - your VP doesn't get you votes, the most you can hope for is that he doesn't cost you votes......"



I'd have to strongly disagree, tho I do understand and respect your backround on this subject matter.

Your VP does give you votes. You hope to blend yer ticket with a guy that can get you the votes that you can't get on yer own.

Should I bring up J.F.K.?

Yippidy Yo! This country is chumping at this bit for a third party -- what a ballsy move it would be to make it happen.

It's been done before; an example was posted here a while back, and that situation didn't ruin th epower base.

Now I understand that these are different times, yadda, yadda, but one (Rummism) cannot deneigh that fact that the voters are very upset with the current Admin. I cannot remember the lst time I bumped into a Repub that was satisfied with the job Bush has done, and take it for what it's worth, I hang with tons of Repubs. None of them are happy and commonly refer to him as an em bare ass ment.”

“So, in terms of responsibility, Rumsfeld and Bush aren't taking responsibility for the actions of the army that they sent to war? This sounds like the responsibility they passed off to the intelligence agencies when they couldn't justify the "war to save us from WMD's. Whatever happened to "The Buck Stops Here"?”

“I hang with tons a Rups too Q and none of them have a problem with the job Bush has done.

Johnson is the exception to the rule, but there aren't any others.

Dunadan - That's a nice thought but there's only so much responsibility that can reasonably be passed up through so many layers. Did you blame Clinton for blowing up the Chinese embassy, I didn't. How the hell would he have known that there were problems with the target lists?”

“"Did you blame Clinton for blowing up the Chinese embassy, I didn't. How the hell would he have known that there were problems with the target lists?...."


But he had to approve the attack in that case, as every President does, then assumes responsibility for the outcome, no?

No offensive happens without the approval of the "Commander in Chief".

Bush is responsible for this. He needs to take responsiblity for this. He knew the risks and the posible negitive out comes. If he wasn't so fool hardy, he wouldn't be in this mess, pure and simple.”

“Let's just call it like it is:

Bush is using America's A.D.D. problem to further his own adgenda.


There ya go.


I have to go to bed.


See you in da mornin' !”

“Funny how Bush wants to take credit when things are going well (even to the point of dressing up like a pilot, etc.), but when things go badly... nah, he's never made any mistakes. The buck always stops somewhere else.

Classic flake behavior.


I'm still astounded that he didn't consult his Sec'y of Defense before deciding to invade Iraq. That just blows my mind. It would be incredible to me even if the president was a former general... but a part-time pilot?”

“Kerry is so boring and non-persuasive he can't even convince his own freaking family to get rid of their SUVs. How is he gonna lead a whole country when he can't even lead his own family?

"That, uhhh, ahem, SUV is NOT MINE, nope, no sir reee, it's the old lady's, not mine, nope, I'm just married to her, that's all, it's not "me", I have nothing to do with this family, not one bit, nope, there is no "me" in "we", and there is no "I" in "family", nope, I just drive that big ole SUV now and then and fly haircutters in on a private jet when I need a quick trim, gotta watch that energy consumption, ya know, it's important."”

“Kerry hasn't rolled out the big guns in this campaign yet. That is being saved for 2-3 months before the election and then the debates."
Phaedrus
10:51:43 PM
05/06/04

Do you make this stuff up in your sleep? Kerry shot his wad. He is going to get creamed in the debates.

The campaign of 'Bush Bad, Economy Bad' is all Kerry has. Then there is his congressional voting record that America won't be able to swallow.”

“"The campaign of 'Bush Bad, Economy Bad' is all Kerry has. Then there is his congressional voting record that America won't be able to swallow....."


And you would know all about swallowing, right?”

“Junior has amply demonstrated that he can't debate his way out of a paper bag.”

“If leaning forward, gesturing vaguely and wrinkling your forehead is debate, he's got it won.”

“"Junior has amply demonstrated that he can't debate his way out of a paper bag."

You might want to ask Al Gore and Ann Richards about that.”

“Kerry had managed to lead in the Rassmussen poll outside of the margin of error yesterday, but today it's back to a tie. I suspect that in light of the other polls that came out showing Bush ahead by a couple of points (and still within the MOE) that they made an "adjustment" in the way they weight the poll.”

“A 5 year old could beat Bush in a debate. The guy is a complete stooge.”

“Wes Clark seems to be angling for a job in the administration. I got an email that he was starting WesPAC - Securing America’s Future.

Sect. of State, National Security Advisor?”

“Latest economic news is strong. Good economic news is good for America, bad for the Democratic Party.

Bush beats Kerry hands down in the likeability factor.

As for debating, I like his style. He's not slick, he's not polished, but he's "real". I like real. Words don't flow from his lips like honey, they come from his heart. He's no-nonsense, down to earth.

It's gonna be a close election, barring any major event like a terrorist attack. I don't know how a big terrorist strike in this country would pan out politically. Americans may turn into Spaniards, or rally together in a fit of patriotism.”

“I think spain rallied together in a surge of patriotism.”

“I guess they did, If they're patriots for the Islamist cause.”

“That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that Spain's 90% who disapproved of the action in Iraq as supporting the war on terror just got fed up with being told lies while their home defenses were weakened as proven by the attacks.”

“I think the only thing the attacks on Spain prooved were that terrorists are bad people.”

“I think the only thing the attacks on Spain proved,

That terrorism can change the outcome of an election.

I am sure the terrorists noticed, and equally sure they will try the same successful tactic here.

The Spanish result has greatly increased the perceived reward for a major terror attack close to the US election.

Pick another week to travel folks.

Of course if those on the board that think terrorists WANT Bush to win are correct, this should be a very quiet election.

But that does not work either because polls indicate that the majority think Bush is better than Kerry when we are under attack, so a quiet election will be in Kerry's favor (no threat, economy is biggie).

So where does that leave us ?
I think the terrorists just like mayhem, will look on Spain as a success, and will try something here close to the election.

Back to my no travel warning, unless of course you live in a major metropolitan target zone.”

“"I think the terrorists just like mayhem, will look on Spain as a success, and will try something here close to the election....."



I might be a little off, but it seems to me that since the terrorists were either killed or captured right after reflects a loss to them. They are not in a position to harm anyone. Also, the people of Spain did not want to be in there in the first place.

I don't see where the terrorists "won" anything. That election was real close going in and what's to say that the incumbants wouldn't have lost any ways? The war was real unpopular with them in the first place.”

“"might be a little off, but it seems to me that since the terrorists were either killed or captured right after reflects a loss to them"

So every suicide bomber is looked on as a loss?

Wonder why they perpetuate this losing tactic??

I guess Al Quaeda think 9/11 was a disaster for them also.

Having a little trouble following your thought process here.”

“"So every suicide bomber is looked on as a loss?......"

Yep, sure is as long as the will of who they are fighting is not broken. Spain's will was not broken, it was enblazened. After the event, the terrorists were captured, killed or otherwise taken care of. Terrorism lost in that event.




"Wonder why they perpetuate this losing tactic??....."


because they do not have the luxury of being a country, they have to fight a style that works for them. It's the only effective way to combat the evil's, as they see them. Think of it as trying to fight city hall with a toothbrush. You have to fight and use any type of options/resources you can get yer hands on.


"I guess Al Quaeda think 9/11 was a disaster for them also....."

Well, in a way, yes...it's was. They lost the comfort of safe harbor of Afgani and have been on the run ever since, living in conditions that are much different than what they were used to before we kicked them out of Afgani. It's the same as teh Spain thing - they go for the knockout punch, but get there ass kicked in so bad that limits what they can accomplish in the future. Looking from a "body count" issue, you better believe 9/11 delt a blow to them. Looking at a "stability of your organization" issue, there' pretty limited.



"Having a little trouble following your thought process here......"



Hope that clears it up.”

“Yep, sure is as long as the will of who they are fighting is not broken. Spain's will was not broken, it was enblazened. After the event, the terrorists were captured, killed or otherwise taken care of. Terrorism lost in that event.

Hi laqtis! I still don't understand your reasoning. The terrorists "lost" in the Spain bombing? Spain lost hundreds of innocent civilians to tragic train bombings in one horrendous incident, while the terrorists made the world headlines they were seeking, and a few of them were captured in the process? I'm not sure how Spain came out ahead in that one. Oh well.”

“I'd agree with Manuka and Buch that the bombings were a success that was not offset much by the later killing or capture of the individual terrorists. I don't know the role the bombings played in the elections to a great extent, though. I do know the common belief among the political right in the US is that Spain was afraid. I find that rather unsatisfying as far as an explanation of the impact goes.”

“Buch? Is that what I am to you now?

:Þ”

“Sorry, must've been a cross between Bush and Buck. ;)”

“Did anyone see "When Animals Can't Digest Doritos" on the Discovery Channel last night? Fascinating!”

“That was a cheesy show.”

“Compare Spain to Iraq. Foreign terrorists are being slaughtered by the thousands. The media plays it up as an Iraqi revolt against America.

Who wins?”

“It's not just foreign terrorists, Snacpack.

al-sadr's militia, baathist loyalists and good old Iraqi-grown shiite fundamenalists are all in the mix, so it's partially an Iraqi rebellion against occupation.”

“and aliens too...

spain --29 bad guys kill hundreds of civilians and change the outcome of an election for an entire nation. bad guys then get killed. the global jihad has as it's strongst principle the desire, the will, the hope, the requirement to die in a holy war. they view it as their highest honor and acheivement to die in an attempt to kill......kill you. wanna die? i don't. i didn't do anything to them. WTF! who cares why they hate you. it doesnt matter. why do liberals always try to rationalize and justify the actions of these barbarians. they have started a global war. ya'l are debating wether or not there was a winner in a battle. who affected the most change? any honest idiot can clearly see the answer.”

“"...they have started a global war. "


But why do you hate rosewood.........so much?”

“Stratdewd has a problem reading and understanding English, it would seem.”

“I have decided that Strat is really a smart person, he just gets off on posting stupid chit just to insight. I came to this revelation because nobody can possibly be that lame.

I find it very interesting that what one would call terrorists, others would call freedom fighters. By calling everything that goes agianst your ideals terrorists, the whole world looks full of them.

Truth be known, we have been at war with "terrorists" ever since the begining of weapon use, under that general term. That term is used to scare the American public into the "boggie man" thinking. Would it be fair to say, that by today's defination of the word, that the KKK was OUR terrorist organization? So, MLK, Malcom and JFK were taken out by terrorists? It would appear that we have lived with this problem in the US for a very long time. What's that? Only Arabs can be terrorists? Oh, I get it now....

Foreign terrorists would not be there, if we didn't go in. Saddam would have none of that. Bush is so stupid that he fell for a trick by good old Saddam. We'll never find the WMD's. I can't understand how the US can get away with invading a country under a false pretense and not be charged with war crimes. What a double standard. Oh well,.....why do those Arabs hate us again? Oh, I see....

What a bunch of suckers we are.....”

“The train bombings in Spain were the work of the global Jihad boys, it seems, and certainly not the work of Iraqs.

Saddam Hussein did what he did for money and power, not religion.”

“"Saddam Hussein did what he did for money and power, not religion....."


Please add "and he'd like to just phuck with people too".

Saddam is a sadistic MoFO, no doubt about it.

When ou through out the Geneva Convention and everything else with it, you got problems.



What's that?



No, I'm not talking about Rummy, I said SADDAM.....”

“"Please add "and he'd like to just phuck with people too".

Sure, his pay-offs of Palestinian families of nut-bombers was to defy "the west", but certainly not out of religious conviction.”

“2004 May 7-9 USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll results


If Massachusetts Senator John Kerry were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for: John Kerry, the Democrat or George W. Bush, the Republican?

Likely Voters
Kerry: 47%
Bush: 48%

Registered Voters
Kerry: 50%
Bush: 44%

National Adults
Kerry: 51%
Bush: 43%



Now suppose Ralph Nader runs as an independent candidate, who would you be most likely to vote for: Kerry, the Democrat, Bush, the Republican, or Nader, the independent?

Likely Voters
Kerry: 45%
Bush: 47%
Nader: 5%

Registered Voters
Kerry: 46%
Bush: 41%
Nader: 7%

National Adults
Kerry: 46%
Bush: 41%
Nader: 8%



Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 51%



In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?

Satisfied: 37%
Dissatisfied: 62%”

“"For an incumbent to be at 46% job approval at this point in an election year has historically always spelled defeat" for presidents since 1950, says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll.

usatoday.com”

“For an incumbent to have an election poll rating higher than his approval rating, well doesn't reflect well on the challenger.”

“Have some more kool-aid.”

“""Bush to Rumsfeld: 'You are doing a superb job'"........."


NBC Jim Mielacshevis (or how ever the hell you spell it) points out that in DC, when you get an endorsement like that, it means yer done. Bias aside, I do think his days are numberd if he can not bring this situation to a quick end. The abuse situation is too much a black mark on us and will be hard to over come as it is; draggin it out would screw us badly.....”

“Which one of those horsemen is:
1. the head
2. the teeth
3. the guts
4. the ass?”