Poll: Bush support holds despite Iraq, 9 /11 hearin

“TMI Buddha. We don't need to know about your sexual problems.

I don't suppose that anyone has considered that a large part of the recent polls were affected by the lies the Press fabricated during Katrina.”

“It is funny to hear Buddha talk all this shlt when he was a republican posterboy not so long ago. He is a man of extremes and low convictions.”

“It's all a liberal media conspiracy bbw, just keep chanting that and you don't have to believe anything you don't want to.”

“I don't suppose that anyone has considered that a large part of the recent polls were affected by the lies the Press fabricated during Katrina.”
bbw
12:59:53 PM
10/27/05

It's the mind control waves those Black Helicopters use that keep us from understanding how well Bush and his appointees did in dealing with Katrina.”

“"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do ... The good news is — and it's hard for some to see it now — that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house — he's lost his entire house — there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) —President Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005


"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." –President Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, while touring hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, Sept. 2, 2005


"What didn't go right?'" –President Bush, as quoted by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), after she urged him to fire FEMA Director Michael Brown "because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right" in the Hurricane Katrina relief effort


"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005


"We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." –Rep. Richard Baker (R-LA) to lobbyists, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal

"I believe the town where I used to come – from Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself, occasionally too much – will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to." –President Bush, on the tarmac at the New Orleans airport, Sept. 2, 2005

"I also want to encourage anybody who was affected by Hurricane Corina to make sure their children are in school." –First Lady Laura Bush, twice referring to a "Hurricane Corina" while speaking to children and parents in South Haven, Mississippi, Sept. 8, 2005”

“What about all the dead people in the Superdome that did not exist? The rapes and murders that did not exist? The toxic soup that never made anyone sick? The levee's that were not affected by budget cuts? The evacuation that the Federal Government was not responsible for? The tens of thousands of dead people that never died.

Ok, that last one may have to do with voodoo and they are the undead.

Katrina should go on record as the worst reporting in the history of the United States. Of course no one is going to report that.”

“Not one thing you said lets the Feds off the hook for a sh_tty job. It just shares the blame with the city and the state, which I will concur with you on...”

“Who cares,let the waves march in the parade.
We have way more to worry about other than a
trashy underwater X-city.”

“I personally thought the fake sniper shootings at rescue helicopters was the icing on the cake.

Anyone who even gives the media a shred of validation is a danger to themselves and a shame on human intelligence.”

“A lot of those rumours that proved to be untrue made the people of New Orleans, not Bush out to be the bad people. It looks to me that they were the ones most libeled by stories that turned out not to be true.

If you're going to be paranoid about who spread that stuff - it seems more likely it would be Bush folks trying to take the heat off of their gang of incompetents.

Personally, I think its just sensationalist stuff that people love to spread.”

“You can't be serious.

Common sense is a rare comodity these days.”

“LOL. When I 1st read pedxing's response I thought he doesn't pay attention to the news whatsoever. Then I remembered .... it's his MO! He lives in the Spin Zone.”

“o wait. let me guess. its "retaliation" for a patronizing post ~rolls eyes~”

“People like Pedxing and Treeblood aren't really relevant in the approval ratings. They will never approve of Bush, but the wildy negative, completely fabricated lies that were reported again and again had to have significant effect on the approval ratings. That is just common sense.

As far as the rabid anti-Bush crowd they want to hang Bush for the lies even though they admit they were lies. Not only does the media get a pass from these myopic partisans, THEY BLAME BUSH for creating the lies.

I am amazed at the Liberals continual assasination of their own credibility.
last edited: 10/28/05 6:03:53 AM”

“You seem to miss the point in terms of the criticism of Bush on Katrina. It came from left and right. Lot's of people on the right saw FEMA as inept clowns in the disaster relief.

As far as the disorder, the snipers etc. there was a lot more stuff condemning the residents for being so out of control, not helping themselves, being lawless and depraved. I saw people asking why the people of New York City actied so much better after 9/11.
last edited: 10/28/05 9:19:22 AM”

“LOL @ Crash.”

“You have missed my point. The lies affected the President's approval rating.

Nothing I mentioned had anyting to do with FEMA. I am not giving FEMA a free pass. The President accepted responsibility for FEMA, but the President and FEMA got blamed for a lot of things that were completely false and or completely beyond their control.

Yes, FEMA's perfomance affected the President's approval rating, but probably not as much as the lies.

I don't know how to be more clear, but some people still won't understand this point. Least of all the media.”

“When his approval rating is high, it's a reason to crow. When his approval rating is low, it's a reason to scream about the liberla media. I'm pretty sure Bacpac is a PERL script someone wrote to irritate normal people.

Violin?”

“Don’t look to him for wisdom Phaed. He's out to liberal lunch.

think for your self dude. you can do it. I know ya can!”

“In a month, when the stock market's pulled higher and Libby's off the crutches and back on the scooter, they'll make a deal with Libby then nail Rove. He'll make a deal . Bush'll get Howard Stern to pull off the PR of the century and Bushs' ratings will top 100% (illegals that didn't vote in 2004). Next Nov.the Dark green party will take over the Senate and the pea green party will take the House. Harriet Miers will be prez in 2008.”

“It would be interesting to see which aspects of the New Orleans news coverage decreased the President's support and by how much.

But this is not a clean-cut issue.

Some of the "information" and "news reporting" was created by supporters of the president to help him.

For instance, snipers and large numbers of deaths would help to excuse the administration's poor performance by adding elements that no one could have planned for.

And the lack of coverage of Mississippi was, in part, because Haley Barbour is governor and he had zero political reason to broadcast a Republican president's shortcomings.

The lack of SOME of this items makes it that much MORE damning that the government at all levels - federal, local and state - couldn't react to the situation.

I mean, we've still got FEMA ice trucks running around the country looking for disasters that will never happen.

But this is all irrelevant anyway. Bush will stand or fall on his effectiveness in Iraq. If it turns out okay, he'll be okay. If it turns out badly, he's screwed no matter what.”

“I agree with RL. Regarding some of the false rumours about what went on in N.O. - this is what I was pointing to.

While I have no idea who started the rumours, the peopel trumpeting rumours of snipers, killings, well armed gangs leaving behing piles of bodies were people on the right talking about the root of the problem being a failed welfare state and irresponsible poor folk in New Orleans. These stories were cited far more by the people trying to shift blame from Bush that shift blame to Bush.

Personally, I don't think any level of government distinguished themselves here.
last edited: 10/30/05 2:56:49 PM”

“Who trumpeted those things?”

“Do a quick search with:
"new Orleans" rioters welfare state and you will see tons of examples.

Or look at TT - it was the rioght wingers that were trumpeting the lawlessness and disorder in New Orleans:

See, for example:

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/40516,-1.php

and Mutt's cut and paste by a right wing Black Leader on

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/40516,-1,2.php#1264019

On that same thread you have Violin trumpeting the news that the lawlessness and disorder were overhyped.
last edited: 10/30/05 4:22:30 PM”

“So with zero proof you have decided that the Bush Administration planted stories during the disaster.

That sounds typical. Blame Bush.”

“Who said the Bush administration planted stories?”

“Personally I don't know who started the rumours.

The only person here who claimed to know who created these stories was someone who posted as "bbw."”

“Ped - Mutt's a right winger?

I guess relatively speaking, I don't see it that way. He doesn't represent many right-wing views that I've seen on here. I'd call him more "anti-left". Not centrist or right though. He's his own category.

Your "search" is quite biased. You added the phrase "welfare state". That would pull an non-balanced resultset back, unfairly demonstrating the balance of "trumpeting" going on.

bbw was not the only person. Read reformed lurker's post.

"Some of the "information" and "news reporting" was created by supporters of the president to help him."

To which you responded ...

"I agree with RL. Regarding some of the false rumours about what went on in N.O. - this is what I was pointing to."”

“Sarge if you quote me on a topic, don't snip before the most explicit words you'll note immediately after what you cut and pasted I said "While I have no idea who started the rumours,"

When RL said the news stories were created by Bush supporters, I took him to mean the articles, the editorials and the blogs, not the rumours which were reported there.

Anyway, my view is that my word "trumpeted" is appropriate. I assume many, if not all, of the stories were the result of hysterical people, and the kind of distortion that goes on when stories are retold from one person to the next.

The press loves sensational stuff (as I said in regards to the NO stories I linked to). My point here is not about who started the rumours or even who first got them into print, but who's arguments were best served.

I started this in the process of backing up my assertion that much of what turned out to be false - shifted blame from Bush. This was in response to bbw's claim that the falsehoods damaged Bush.

Now, you said Mutt was a conservative. I saw right winger - at least on the war and on economy and poverty issues. On religious issues he doesn't seem to be on the same side as most of today's right in the U.S.A.
last edited: 10/30/05 6:14:17 PM”

“don't snip before the most explicit words you'll note immediately after ...


Don't snip yourself. That sentence "While I have no idea who started the rumours,"
" continues ...

the peopel trumpeting rumours of snipers, killings, well armed gangs leaving behing piles of bodies were people on the right talking about the r...

So your argument is who is best served? If nobody in particular made the stories, then what difference does it make who is best served in the context of this discussion unless you are promoting the idea that the person who is best served somehow got the rumors going? You can't have your cake and eat it too.”

“And the lack of coverage of Mississippi was, in part, because Haley Barbour is governor and he had zero political reason to broadcast a Republican president's shortcomings. - rl

Plenty of negative FEMA coverage in MS. Most of the lack of coverage of MS is because the people and leaders of MS acted better and smarter than the NO clowns.
Little 'news' in that.

BTW
FEMA is lower than a turd in the Vile Man's pack. Only thing lower are the Insurance companies.”

“Sarge: The answer is simple, there is a difference between who starts a rumour and who picks it up and runs with it.

As I noted, this was all in the context of rebutting bbw's claim that these false rumours all hurt Bush. I am demonstrated that they helped him and were seized, eagerly, by people who supported Bush.

If you think those observations are tantamount to saying that Bush people planted the rumours, then go ahead and attack Bush's people. I happen to think they aren't.”

“Y'all know Bush blew up the levee just to hurt poor people.”

“I think Rove started that one SS.”

“In Framing the Poor, Tim Wise takes a look at many of the myths repeated by those who seem to have a need to confirm their superiority and relieve themselves of any responsibility to 'those people' who (as the story goes) only got what they deserved anyway:



...[A]s of 2004, according to the Census Bureau, there were only 4600 households in all of New Orleans receiving cash welfare from the nation's principal aid program, TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, formerly Aid to Families With Dependent Children, or AFDC). That is not a misprint: 4600 out of a total of 130,000 households in the black community alone. Which means that even if every welfare receiving household in Orleans Parish had been black (which was not in fact the case), this would have represented only a little more than four percent of black households in the city.

According to the same Census data, the average household size in a welfare receiving family in New Orleans is the same as the citywide average for non-recipients: roughly 3.5 persons. So the number of individuals receiving welfare in New Orleans, by the time of Katrina would have been about 16,000.

Thus, even if we assume that all of the 130,000 persons left behind were poor, and that no persons receiving welfare managed to escape before the flooding with friends or family, this would mean that at most, perhaps twelve percent of the persons left behind (and whose faces we may have been seeing on national TV) would have been welfare recipients at all, let alone persons who had been rendered dependent on such benefits for long periods of time.

And speaking of dependence, or the notion that the city's welfare recipients had grown content to sit back and collect government checks instead of doing for self, this hardly seems likely when you consider that the average annual income received from TANF, for those small numbers actually getting any such benefits at all, was only a little more than $2,800 per year, in New Orleans prior to the catastrophe.

Indeed, such paltry amounts explain why most of the poor in New Orleans, far from being happy to receive so-called handouts, work whenever they can find steady employment, which admittedly, is not often the case.

For example, in the ninety-eight percent black and forty percent poor Lower Ninth Ward, one of the hardest hit communities (and one about which many negative things were said in terms of so-called welfare dependence), seventy-one percent of families prior to the flooding reported income from paid employment, while only eight percent received income from cash welfare. In other words, folks in this community were almost nine times more likely to earn their pay than to receive government benefits. Forty percent of workers from the community worked full-time, and the average commute time for Ninth Ward workers was over 45 minutes each day, suggesting that the work ethic was quite common to the folks who lived there, irrespective of commonly held and utterly false stereotypes.

Even food stamps -- a program with much more lenient terms and where even the near poor can often qualify for minimal benefits -- were only received by eleven percent of New Orleans households as of last year: hardly indicative of a general mindset of welfare entitlement. As for public housing, far from being the location of residence for most poor blacks in New Orleans -- let alone those in the streets in the wake of Katrina -- fewer than 20,000 people lived in such units at the time of the flooding: this representing no more than five percent of black New Orleanians. In the Lower Ninth Ward, for example, few lived in public housing and nearly six in ten families owned their own homes.”

“From FAUX News:
Today, 36 percent of Americans approve and 53 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175184,00.html”

“Interestingly, Rasmussen has Bush's ratings showing some recovery:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

Also, from that same Fox Poll. Republicans in Congress have lower ratings than Bush, and Democrats in Congress are doing just as badly! However, by a slight margin people are more fed up with the Republicans on the Hill than they are with Democrats (More fed up w/Dems 30%, w/Reps 34%, fed up with both equally 25% - so no one has bragging rights here).

The full report is worth perusing:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll_111005.pdf”

“70% of those polled think that those who voted for Bush are complete morons.”

“28% call them traitors.”

“http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/14/bush.poll/index.html

According to Gallup, Bush continues to slide, and more people trust Clinton to tell the truth than Bush.”

“Six percent said they hated Bush. I guess we know who that is.”

“6% = The families of servicemen killed in Bush's bogus war in Iraq, plus the families of 9/11 victims, plus New Orleans, plus Army recruiters, plus Republicans running for office next year.
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“

This Land is My Land
by: George Wilburforce Bush

This land is my land, this land isn't your land.
From the ANWAR oil fields, to the Kennebunkport Islands.
From the logged redwood forests, to the polluted Gulf Coast waters.
This land was made for and paid for by me.

As I was flying over your flooded highways
I saw an endless skyway
I saw profits for my buddies.
This land was stolen from you by me.

I've looted, lied and stolen and followed in Hitler's footsteps
Stripping poor people like you of all your assets
And all around me a voice was sounding
Screw you poor black lady, this land is for me.

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The Iraqi oil fields and my profits rolling rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
Screw you, I am so wealthy!

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it said negro don't be sassin'
Now that side was made for you by me!

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
In my oval office - I see the people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
Who are the morons in this land that elected me.””

“I love the smell of liberals whining in the morning. It smells like victory...in November.”

“Hey, as long as the left is crying and on the look out for the Boogyman (Bush) they don't have time to offer any alternatives. Not like they could anyhow.”

“According to the CNN link, Bush's low marks in the polls equal Clinton's in 1993. He was handily re-elected in 1996. Reagan hit a 35% approval in 1983. You'll remmebr he was easily re-elected in 1984.

I'd like to believe that people have caught on to Bush, but obviously the low poll numbers we get now don't show that this is anything other that a temporary down swing. It might not be, but I don't see the evidence yet.”

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source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/index.htm
last edited: 11/17/05 1:42:43 PM”

“The year of the little red 'x'?”