Are you a victim, too?

“Sarge, I feel pretty much the same way. I have family members who are up to their necks in welfare. I'm for letting them starve. I have another family member, a single mom with 3 kids (dad left) who works her butt off. She is deserving. A few months ago I decided to help my daughter get her teaching certificate. Right after that my duplex emptied of tenants and I had to start paying for my portion of my back surgery bill. I cancelled my internet, satellite t.v. and started looking for a job. I spent the summer shuttling canoes and other odd jobs. Now that summer is at an end and the tourists have returned to their homes, I am splitting wood for the winter.

Businesses should have to toe the same line. No handouts. CEO's who rip off their companies and screw people out of their pensions should be taken out back (or front) and shot. No mercy.

Same with foreign aid. Loans are okay to get a 3rd world country moving in a positive direction, but throwing cash at them bothers me.

That's sort of black and white thinking, so let me say that I understand there are exceptions and circumstances to every rule and policy.”

“I'm willing to listen Hyway - what would you do? I've not really heard too much other than cutting the money you hand out. If this is it, how's it going to work?


Nigal - thanks, you've just illustrated why the axis of idiots really shouldn't be trying to use the UK health system as an example.

The entire phrase is "free at delivery" - not "free".
It differentiates the UK system where you don't pay the hospital (where the healthcare is delivered) - with something like the French system, where you are billed by the hospital and reimbursed via state or private insurance. (but is still a universal healthcare system).”

“And the thought of sucking treebeards dick has obviously stuck with SS for some reason. I mentioned it once about 18-months or two years ago, and he's still bleating about it.”

“One of your proudest moments, Y2. LOL”

“Makes sense. Before your post he probably thought he never had a chance. Hope springs eternal...”

“Then why is the word free used Twat2?”

“Now Nigal, be nice to ol' Y2. I think the correct English term is not 'twat', it's 'Twit'.

I wonder if he's a product of the English Public School System? That might explain his homophobia, you know what they say about English Public Schools.
(not that there is anything wrong with that)
LOL
last edited: 9/05/07 1:30:35 PM”

“"free at delivery" or "free" means the same thing to the person that doesn't pay taxes or premiums?

Ok about what would I do?

Strengthen dead beat dad laws to force dads to take care of their kids. Require unwed mothers to provide the names of the fathers if they want to receive welfare checks. - dna testing for men who dispute the charge. (IDK how expensive is DNA testing, CSI does it like making candy)

Welfare checks only for a specific time period, after that they start getting smaller until they are no more. Continue payments if the recipient gets a job but at a reduced rate depending on the income, amount decreasing as income goes up or as time goes by. No more getting welfare checks from cradle to grave.

I've yet to see a universal healthcare system proposed that didn't screw over the people who can afford to pay their for their own so until someone proposes a truly Universal system that politics cant mangle then I am opposed to any universal healthcare system. BTW, the reason HMO exist is that Doctors and hospitals are greedy SOB's that had no problem padding their bills and offering elective surgery as needed when insurance companies used to essentially just write blank checks to doctors. Doctors can't even police their own when it comes to medical malpractice they don't even try to stop financial malpractice.

I also described a system I would like to see that requires every US citizen to serve our country for 1 year after high school. Not neccessarily in the military but in other civil aspects as well.

I can go on and on, but all of them let those who can but won't find their own way in life.

BTW, people would still be taken care of because the churches and other caring groups will be there to provide assistance. Especially if charitable contributions get you a nice tax deduction.
last edited: 9/05/07 1:32:58 PM”

“I think the correct English term is not 'twat', it's 'Twit'.

twat
n 1: a man who is a stupid fool [syn: fathead, goof, bozo,
jackass, goose, cuckoo, zany]
2: obscene terms for female genitals”

“I stand corrected, Sir Nigal. ;-)”

“Nigal - Well let me think, how can I put this simple situation in terms you'll understand.

From what I've read you may be going to stay in New York for a short time, and even meeting up with Treebeard.

While there you offer to SUCK TREEBEARD'S DICK, but only if he buy's you dinner afterward.

When you SUCK TREEBEARD'S DICK it is costing him nothing - it is "free at the point of delivery". He'll still have to pay you for SUCKing TREEBEARD'S DICK, but not directly. The bill for SUCKing TREEBEARD'S DICK will come later when he buys you dinner.

Under the French system you'd have presented Treebeard with a bill when you "SUCKed TREEBEARD'S DICK, - though he would then have been able to claim the amount charged back from Mapleleaf.

The moral of this story - however the bill gets paid and whatever the healthcare system - you're still a C*&K SUCKER!.

(My deepest apologies to Treebeard and Mapes for this example, but hopefully you'll read the context and understand).”

“Hyway, I don't see too much wrong with those ideas. The problem with any Welfare systems anywhere in the world is drawing the line between people in genuine need, and those scrounging off the system.

I guess I'd say the situation would be more one-to-one proportion of genuine need to scroungers - you'd no doubt say the proportion is different.”

“English Public School?”

“I don't know about blowjobs, but we'll definitely be getting phucked if we go with universal health care.”

“Haha! That is truly a work of literary art Y2. I commend you for your efforts and the excellent burn. I am humbled. However it is still not free. To raise the bar a bit and take away a little of the simplicity of the above situation. OK, Treebeard has to pay a mandatory #&%!$ tax. He pays this cock sucker tax for years until he finally meets me, upon which if he were to get his cock sucked. Now how much of a fool would poor treebeard look if he were to claim that the blow job was free in any way? Answer: very silly.

Now if you will pardon me I'm going to go brush my teeth and gargle mouthwash for an hour.”

“Glad you saw the funny side ;o).

I know it's not free and it's certainly not perfect. But on its plus side it is cheaper than the US sytstem, and it offers good peace of mind. The US system offers better care if you have good coverage - no point in losing that.

Like I said before, I think America has to go a different way, but it can certainly improve on how things are now, as the insurance companies continue to find ways to offer less coverage for more money.”

“Hey, if I can't give props for a rightouse burn I have no business throwing fecees.

I feel creating a more competitive marketplace is the answer. As well, changing the environment of the healthcare field is plus too. I work for a not for profit healthcare provider. The difference is amazing! It was started by the community over 30 years ago and it is heavily supported by the community. Because of the community's donations we are able to offer services no one else can come close to. It gives the community a sense of ownership in company too as well as creating an environment of competition in the area that keeps my town at the national forefront of this type of care.”

“There is incredible irony in the fact that a major regional hospital/medical center offers its own employees coverage worse than it offers those who pay the group rate premiums in the public market. "We'll fleece everyone else, but we don't want to get fleeced ourselves." seems to be the attitude.”

“Its that kind of mentality that forced HMOs to have to start second guessing doctors and hospitals. These are people that have no problem allowing drug manufacturers to pay for their lunches on a regular basis. To make deals with testing labs to get kickbacks (or outright own a piece of the business) for using their services. If a doctor gets censured (sp?) by he's peers, the public will never know about it because its kept private. Only if it makes it to court and the media takes an interest will you know that the doctor cutting you open today took out the wrong kidney from someone else last week.”

“Rev - Leave Pike Place out of this!”

“You mean there's more than one?”

“Welfare checks only for a specific time period, after that they start getting smaller until they are no more. Continue payments if the recipient gets a job but at a reduced rate depending on the income, amount decreasing as income goes up or as time goes by. No more getting welfare checks from cradle to grave.

Hey Hyway, you are going to just love this, do you know that medi-cal would not pay for my tubal ligation when I wanted it? But they said that if I became pregnanct again, they would pay for my pregnancy, delivery, and child healthcare for 6 years. This was in answer to a question 2 years after the birth of my last child.”

“I wonder if that regulation was the result of religious/pro-life lobbying?”

“I doubt it, this was 12 years ago, it was just part of the wefare policy. Later I found the state opened up the use of a fund to hospitals, that DID pay for my tubal ligation. But in between that I did some searching trying to find someone to pay or help me for it. I just did not have any money, no savings at all, to pay the several thousand it would have cost. I even went to the V.A. because their policy was to offer to pay for one time only birth control. My doctor and I felt this qualified. We fought for a year for that, and lost. I found out the name of the fund that Planned Parenthood uses and I called doctors and hospitals to ask if they used it or would consider using it until I found a hospital that had just received permission to access the fund; and a doctor I liked was there and 7 months later, voila'!”

“That's like how insurance companies will pay for all the things that come with obesity yet won't pay for gastric bypass.”

“Maybe it's too barbaric and risky for them?”

“i think it would be cheaper to wire their jaws shut, wouldn't you? less risky too.”

“or the equivalent for your tubal ligation, lol.”

“at least i'm not obese.”

“I always love it when 99 lbs. people say, "Just push the plate away! Just push the plate away!".”

“Yeah, just push your spouse away...”

“No Pammie, Nimblefoot is obtuse.”

“and a big Boo Hoo for the predatory lenders.”

“I sense a very bad skill at satire or a very severe case of cranial-rectal inversion. That coupled with optical-recatlosis makes for a less than compelling read.”

“I could be obtuse in the matter, but at this point don't think so.

In the early 60's, when working in a delivery room in Japan, doctors had to do all manner of slight of hand manuverings to justify an abortion. It was essentially illegal. I still remember the chief nurse, Elizabeth Feeny, running herd on all the suspicious cases, trying to control what the surgeons did. It was acknowledged at that time that the banning of abortions in military hospitals except when the life of the mother was at stake was due to the political clout of the Catholic Church (I'm not sure if Right to Life existed as an organization at that time). It seems reasonable that today, and 12 years ago (Pamelas situation), tubal ligations were frowned on because of religious reasons or the influence of religion in politics. It also seems fair that if Pamela suggests that an obese persons weight problem could be solved by wiring their jaws shut, perhaps her problem could be solved in similar fashion...or pushing her husband away. Unless, of course, you can have your cake and eat it too.

I don't go into this stuff saying I know all the answers and stand ready to be educated...or not.”

“Then there are situations in Catholic hospitals when so-called 'products of conception' are discovered during a dilation & curettage performed for other (therapeutic) reasons....”

“Nimblefoot-

I think the issue at hand over tubal ligation is less conspiratorial, and more idiotic than you suggest. Medicaid will not cover elective procedures. Tubal libation is considered to be an elective procedure unless for one reason or another a woman's life would be endangered by a pregnancy. Severe preclampsia, very uncontrolled diabetes that kind of thing. A pregnancy is not "elective" and therefore must be covered under the programs guidelines. (remember I said 'idiotic" above.)

Birth control pills are covered by medicaid, but other forms of contraception (condoms, diaphram, IUD) are not. One is a drug and is covered under the pharmaceutical provisions of the program. The others are not even though condoms are the only OTC contraceptive available.”

“The whole "the church is forcing the litigation" thing is getting old. The church is made of many people who support it. It simply represents a body of people.

"Religions" who influence politics are "people" who influence politics.

There is nothing inherently wrong with religion influencing politics.”

“Tilt - "Dusting & Cleaning" - that's how the military docs got around it.

Rev - That makes sense, but I do wonder about the power behind the wording of the law. Latitude can be written into a law and it need not be so rigid. Thanks.”

“Yeah, just push your spouse away...”
Nimblefoot
7:34:58 AM
9/06/07

Or use 1 of them thar fancy anti-pregnancy contraptions. You know, like saran wrap.”

“"charged to the feds? you mean the taxpayer?" - Sarge

Sarge - like I've said several times, its the administrative fee, charged to those that have funds in the system. Just like the administrative fee you'll be charged if you put money in a fund run by T Rowe Price. And I'll restate, again, that its self-supporting. No tax dollars go to running the TSP.

Hyway - you said that instead of loans, the gov't should offer college based on an agreement to work for X amount of years after graduating. This is just another loan structure - the gov't has to put up money to pay for college, with payback in the future through work-hours. There is still a risk, too, since a person can default on that loan just as easily either by not working or dieing the day after they graduate. In fact this is worse than guaranteeing loans because now instead of just funding the defaulted loans (current system), they would instead have to fund all of the loans upfront to pay the tuition - and would have to find new funding every year to make new loans since they wouldn't have any income stream from old loans to fund the new loans.”

“As one embedded in the Christian culture, I can suggest to you the impact of the church is no where near as strong as it was. I really do not believe the wording is under pressure from the church. In fact I would go so far as to say the opposite. If there was even a hint of "church" influence in the wording the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, People for the American Way and the rest of the anti-church organizations would all over the issue like white on rice.

But that's just my own opinion.

Incidentally they will not cover Vasectomies either. I have been given the reason above to justify the decision. (voluntary procedure) Even "one and done" would seem to be more reasonable and cost effective.

The other issue that plays into it, and this may be a stronger influence than the church, is years ago unauthorized sterilizations were done on the "disadvantaged". Massive lawsuits were filed and massive payouts were made. If voluntary sterilizations ore not covered, then there will be no involuntary sterilizations to be sued over. If I was looking for conspiracy theories, that's where I would park my money.
last edited: 9/06/07 6:31:04 AM”

“charged to the feds? you mean the taxpayer?" - Sarge

Sarge - like I've said several times, its the administrative fee, charged to those that have funds in the system. Just like the administrative fee you'll be charged if you put money in a fund run by T Rowe Price. And I'll restate, again, that its self-supporting. No tax dollars go to running the TSP.

So what does "charged to the Feds" mean? Why do you say that instead of charged to the people invested?”

“You know, like saran wrap.

[singing]

You got to lick it before you stick it.”

“Speaking of dust.... There's a small dust-up downtown I'm sure Dan will be glad to comment on ----

Seems like a local Housing Authority board member sent a peculiar email to some of the Mayor's in-laws.... and it leaked.  Oh, and he just happens to be the chairman of the Richmond County Republican Party:

AHA -- Augusta Housing Authority
GM - Gilbert Manor (public housing)
MCG - Medical College of Georgia


From: David Barbee, Sr.
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:09 PM
To: Braye Boardman; Clay Boardman
Subject: FW: Elderly Housing/Gilbert Manor

Hope all is well with the two of you! I want to keep both of you in the loop with what is going on with AHA / GM / MCG. Jake, with the AHA, has forwarded all the e-mails to me as FYI only and I am now forwarding another e-mail from Wayne Howard raising his concerns about the AHA closing GM and selling the GM property to MCG.

Gentlemen I am begging you both not to give in on the revitalization of downtown Augusta!!! The problem with the politicians is the White/Black ratio in downtown Augusta. The development of the property beside St Paul’s Church is high income folks who will tend to be White and now we are closing GM and moving Black folks out. We will be making the downtown Whiter with moving 200 whites in and moving 500 blacks out! The numbers will affect political boundaries school board lines, commission district lines, State Representative district lines, and Senate district lines.

We have tons of work that will have to take place to change downtown Augusta, however it will not work with the building of $90,000 to $100,000 dollar starter homes in urban Augusta. We have to build home or condos for $200,000 and up to change downtown. When this happens you will see more whites moving in the city and blacks moving into West Augusta and Columbia County. However we cannot build anything on top of buildings we have to tear down first!! We have a canal and a river in our downtown and we must develop on the wonderful waterfront property we have now. We need to work on the area around MCG. The State of Georgia Medical School is built in the slums of Augusta not a good idea. We have to turn our new found money ($750,000 per year) into $3,750,000 per year or $187,000,000 now to rebuild the whole canal area. Gentleman this can be done!!!

Just give me a call.

Dave


(story in local paper)


I wonder how they played this in the 'Conservative' daily (Billy Morris' fishwrapper).”

“Hey, he did say, "Hope all is well with the two of you!" at least. Seems like an OK guy to me.

LOL!”

“There are only two things stupider than sending e-mails that can get you in trouble. One is posting things on a public forum.. the second is saying to a reporter, "This is off the record... right?"”

“Maybe he just wants everyone in Augusta to "lighten up!"”

“It doesn't help his case that he is probably correct in his assessment.”