Are you a victim, too?

“What study?”

“The information. which they collect, may be lacking, but more at fault is their interpretation. Their attitude, at least with me and my family, was very brass and totally outside the intent of their original charter. Also, their selection of households for detailed study is highly biased!
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“Tairy fails, all of you. You think I'd invest in the US when Europe, Brazil( the ones that got smart way before americans turned from their mirrors to see what was going on), Mexico(the ones that are winning the drug war and the welfare war with the US)are around to make money in.”

“so if they wont open the door to the census, theyre choosing to be poor?

The comment was an extension of my last post - They are willing and ABLE to collect the welfare check, go down to the welfare office, do whatever it takes to get the money - which just demonstrates they are capable of providing census information - that is not a fault of the government. They are capable of much more than they let on, including working at a more prosperous job. If they choose not to participate in society and make something of themselves, that's their choice, not a condition of their environment - not a problem of the government's inability to collect accurate information - not anybody's fault but their own.”

“bear....drop a couple of "mommy's Helpers" and check out the US CENSUS...

oh...my just checking did you guys know the Census was VIOLATED to get ethnic information to control certain ethnic groups during the War?

yeah the President allowed the FBI to get Sensitive PERSONAL information (in Violation of the LAW).....Okay okay...this was 1940...but anyway...when did the Libbies Call for that President to be Impeached?”

“Sure, it's all so easy!”

“im pretty much in agreement with you in the end, sarge. i just thought that bit there was a bit of a stretch”

“So you got this info from the US census?”

“Here are the numbers from the 2003 report on poverty. then there was 35 million poor peeps. Which if shown as a % of population might be statistically less of an increase than the % increase in actual numbers http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

# Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

# Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

# Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

# The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

# Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

# Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

# Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

# Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

While the number of poor went up by almost 6%:

4% more now have Air Conditioning which means that even after adding 2 million more to the list the number without AC went from 8.4 million in 2002 to 7.4 million in 2006.

16% more now have microwave ovens.

I think its the electric bill that's keeping them poor.”

“I think its the electric bill that's keeping them poor.

Classic! LOL”

“"Many African Americans won't talk to the Census Bureau too. There are huge ad campaigns every census year to try and get them to open the door and fill out their census form."
Sassafras

yet, they have no problem filling out the welfare paperwork.”
Sarge
7:40:16 AM
8/28/07

What Trail Talk needs is a Racism Filter for those of us who are weary of this white trash talk.

By the way......
Sass's commentary was merely a statement of fact and is no way considered rasist.
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“Right. Thanks, hyway. I was more hoping fuzzyman was gonna show me the blog he got it from but oh well.

So a family is not poor if they own a car?

A family is not poor if they live in an apt. that has microwaves and AC's?

Section 8 housing provides many of these things so I guess we have no poor except the homeless?

Are we expecting our poor to live like the poor of a 3rd world country?

That would be a fair comparison.
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“Bring on the shanty towns!”

“I think XLAX and Sarge have been watching too much FOX and seeing all the wonderful rubble of downtown Baghdad and think poor Americans are really well off. Well, I guess compared to the sorry folks in Iraq, they do to some extent...”

“Are we expecting our poor to live like the poor of a 3rd world country?
That would be a fair comparison.

Not to pick on yoy bm, but this is a good example of the utopian mentality of the left. They expect a perfect society, and when it's not there, blame the government.

We aren't many generations from the wild west, yet many expect The Jetsons.

Progress takes time and effort. Star Trek is not our reality.”

“wow, I have a 1 bedroom trailor, no tv, and only one car, wonder what that makes me? LOL i certainly don't feel poor! hehehe”

“here comes Rosey AGAIN challenging me to live 1st hand what I speak of instead of just going by whats on t.v. (earlier he said I should visit Baghdad, LOL!)

“I think XLAX and Sarge have been watching too much FOX and seeing all the wonderful rubble of downtown Baghdad and think poor Americans are really well off. Well, I guess compared to the sorry folks in Iraq, they do to some extent...”

ps - Every day at my job I deal with the raw welfare data for PA and create statistical reports for what you end up reading about on the news, rosey. Just a heads up before you stick your foot in your mouth again.”

““wow, I have a 1 bedroom trailor, no tv, and only one car, wonder what that makes me? LOL i certainly don't feel poor! hehehe” - spirit coyote

Excellent attitude!”

“The point of this exercise is to show that the government has set the bar to high when defining who is poor. Programs designed to bring people up out of poverty should be directed to people who are actually living in poverty and not to people who are just to lazy to work harder.”

“This is Inside Info for sure.... but picture an area from Milledge Road to 15th Street, from Wrightsboro Road to the Savannah River.  That's the area I was assigned in the pre-mailing canvas of the 1980 Census to check the accuracy of the commercial mailing list the Dept Of Commerce bought.  I walked down every ally, checked every address and knocked on every third door to ask if there were any garage apartments or rooming houses nearby.  

It's a depressed area, but there were great people there.  It was hard to get the job done because so many people were inviting me in.

The undercount is a classic recurring problem due to distrust of government agencies but the loudest and best funded attacks (ostensibly directed at the statistical methods employed to compensate for it) seem to originate with organizations populated by people who don't want to pay any taxes ever.

The reports I'm hearing lately focus on including illegal aliens in the totals to determine congressional districts.  Apparently that's what has been done in the past ---

But some people would rather engage in tirades against poor American citizens.”

“also Rosey, my wife, not a u.s. citizen, is from the poorest European country, which I've visited. So, what's your experience?

I can post a picture of kids playing with their toys - mud and sticks.
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“Ooooh, I'm shakin' Sarge! Such a big, bad intelligent boy!

Now go build a cannon of death with your leggos or something...”

“Moldova?”

“hpm - Yes. specifically, Tirospol, which is worse off.”

“nice comeback roseymonster - I had a feeling your argument would be reduced to as much.”

“ALL YOUR MONEYS ARE BELONG TO US”

“Yikes. No kidding.
I was reading about that situation a few months ago.
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“Being poor is best understood by someone who actually has been there. Statistics really cannot describe the experience.”

“Marky mark...

Racism is a belief or concept that inherent differences between people, in particular those upon which the concept of race is based, determine cultural or individual achievement, and may involve the idea that one's self-identified race or ethnic group or others' race or ethnic group is superior.[1]

UM I know you work in a Library (I am thinking it may be one of those where most of the books have been colored in) but could you point out where in here Sarge or I have idenitifed anything SUPERIOR betweent the races. I am thinking there are ALOT more POOR WHITES out there (he!! go to Mississippi and check out some REAL poverty)”

“My expereience? I live across the street from the biggest hood in Sacramento. I spent my life growing up in downtown Atlanta (ever heard of Reynoldstown? Cabbagetown?) so I pretty much saw inner city poverty every day. I spent a year backpacking through South America in 2005 and I saw a lot. But I've had the luxury of never living it and that LAST thing I would do is BLAME someone for their state, which for some reason seems to be the Republican perogative.

So please don't get on your high horse about your mail order bride's hard life and how that somehow makes you an authority on poverty. You seem to me like pretty much a white cracker who rode the gravy train most of his life.”

“When my father died, he left 4 sons, age 3-8 and an, at the time, unemployed widow. The fully furnished House was paid off through insurance, my mom was able to buy a car, through insurance.

[sarc]So I guess we were never poor and didn't need all those govt hand outs. My mom was just lazy.[/sarc]”

“hpm - yes, it's pretty sad.

My wife's parents are lucky. They both have multiple doctorates and are currently physicians -she has good genes :)

They are often paid with food, like a couple of eggs or a melon. They don't currently own a car, and walk miles to get anywhere, along with taking the inexpensive public transportation system (maybe you heard of the recent bombs a few months back on them?)

Her brother is a recent theoretical physics and math graduate and hopes to get out of the country so he can utilize his skills. He currently is applying for a job as a teacher and will likely live with his family for some time.

PS - their education system is excellent compared to ours, more proof the amount of dollars thrown at education means nothing.”

“That's funny MarkO! Actually I met her as a missionary/student here in the states as she attended a local university. She refused the marriage proposal of a millionaire, so finding a "rich American" was definitely not her goal. But that is funny.”

“roseymonster - don't mention my wife again.”

“You're the one that brought her up and used her as a talking point, bub.”

“Please take this time to report roseymonster's post if you think unprovoked insults against family members are inappropriate for this website. Thank you.”

“Cry Baby”

““You're the one that brought her up and used her as a talking point, bub.”

You are the one who disparraged her.”

“Yeah. that's rich. Wasn't there just a whole bit of nastyness between Sarge and CrashBang over very similar circumstances?

I see nothing disparaging about mail order brides.

Anyway, Sarge, I will apologize publically for mentioning your wife. It was not my place to do so, nor will I do so in the future.
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“Yeah. that's rich. Wasn't there just a whole bit of nastyness between Sarge and CrashBang over very similar circumstances?

You do not know the context of that.

Anyway, Sarge, I will apologize publically for mentioning your wife. It was not my place to do so, nor will I do so in the future.

Thank you. Apology accepted.”

“Why is it that those who most loudly ring the Christian bell seem most lacking in the concept of Christian charity. I understand that some milk the system, but from your posts it seems as if you believe it to be everyone. If you have a system there will always be a way to abuse it. Ask Enron.

This also smacks of class warfare.”

“Why is it that those who most loudly ring the Christian bell seem most lacking in the concept of Christian charity. I understand that some milk the system, but from your posts it seems as if you believe it to be everyone.

Nimblefoot - are you addressing me?

I usually don't talk about such things, but just 2 weeks ago I gave so much money to the local food bank they made a big deal about it on the radio, much to my chagrin, and that is just a recent incident. Please, don't assume you know about my Christian walk, nor about what I believe. If you have a question, ask.
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“my Christian walk

bad crash!

i first read that as "my christian wank"”

“I have come to realize that there are just some things I am not qualified to speak on because the issue is just too forine to me to grasp.

*I have never been out of work more than a few days since highschool.
*I work hard.
*I work to make myself marketable.
*I have a wife who works.
*I don't have kids.
*I live in a good area.

I remember being fairly poor when I was growing up but it never effected me or my family. If I had to pick one single thing that could make the biggest difference in struggling people's lives it would be a voucher system for daycare. I'm not big on welfare but if people are freed up to work they will work.

I think the standard of living for below poverty line people now is the fact that things like TVs, microwaves, A/C units have come WAY down in price. I remember the my family's first window air conditioner. I thought we were living in high cotton! LOL!”

“The very beginning of this thread is actually worth reading.  Just remember to stop reading when you get to the slimey part when XL took it over.”

“i remember, one time, our family had to go a whole week with only ONE fondue maker! and the hot tub would only hold three people THREE! times was tuff”

“Cry Baby - MarkO

+1! Your wife wears jackboots!!!”

“I think it would be appropriate in terms of this discussion to separate the term "poverty" from the term "welfare". They are not interchangable, nor are they even always related.

The poor own a car. Ok. I have seen a whole lot of $500 bombshells waiting to fall apart at the side of the road. But some one owns the car. Further, I am doubtful the figures were derived straight from the census reports. The Heritage Foundation has its own ax to grind. As always, consider the source.”

“Yes, Exxon gets welfare , but has profits greater than all the UAW ,that are the cause of the dimise of the Big Fat Three and the main cause of 'INFLATION'.DADA!”