serious gay marriage question

“according to your holy book, the greatest sin is denial of god

should we make it illegal to be an atheist?”

“but not all

irrelevant

something lawful is not necessarily condoned. i dont condone adultery, but i dont want to see it made illegal

you're mixing apples and oranges

the law isn't making homosexuality legal - it's creating a new institution from scratch where gays are legally "married" as recognized by law”

“Being an atheist would be more fun, "see how 'good' the water taste"?”

“irrelevant

extremely relevant. being cute by copying me is not the same as making a good point.

it's creating a new institution from scratch where gays are legally "married" as recognized by law

it is not creating a new institution. it is accepting a group of people into an already established institution. but even if it was, that is not an argument against allowing it.”

“as long as these united states of america do not operate under a theocracy, whether or not something is a "sin" is irrelevant. christianity may have a large influence on american law, many of our laws may coincide with christian morality, but that does not necessitate that american law is 100% christian. you can morally condemn it all you want, but not every law is going to fall in line with the bible. deal with it”

“It seems that Ann Rice has awakened to the SINS of the church and is disowning their sorry nonsense. She won't be the last, as more and more see very little difference between all of the dogmatic churches and their power structures are corroding away in the test of time and awareness. Mankind has enough to figure without having the 'NOes' dragging behind like a two century old anchor.”

“marriage is between a man and a women - anything else is a new creation

cb - I have not made the argument that it shouldn't be law because it is a sin.”

“marriage is between a man and a women - anything else is a new creation

lets just agree to disagree on that, but if that is really the sticking point for you, give gay couples all the same rights, and call it something else.

I have not made the argument that it shouldn't be law because it is a sin

then why are you bringing up the notion of "sin"?”

“lets just agree to disagree on that, but if that is really the sticking point for you, give gay couples all the same rights, and call it something else.

- No. Heteros nor homos should need to go to the government to cohabitate and have sex.

then why are you bringing up the notion of "sin"?

- because i feel like it and it needs to be said once in a while - it's nasty sin ... unless it's 2 hot chicks, then pass the popcorn.”

“Heteros nor homos should need to go to the government to cohabitate and have sex.

its not about cohabitating and having sex (those things are already legal). its about having tax breaks, inheritance, power of attorney, and any other LEGAL PRIVILEGES that married couples enjoy. how do you not understand that?
last edited: 8/08/10 9:11:41 PM”

“I do understand that. Didn't you read my LPD proposal earlier?

NONE of this should have anything to do with whether somebody likes boobs, or buttsex. How do you not understand that?”

“if forced to compromise, i could go along with your lpd

i was just stating what i think the ideal, no-compromise solution should be”

“the compromise is condoning buttsex”

“The Gov should put a church in every bedroom.”

“sounds like some people are okay with limiting freedoms of some people to comply with certain religious beliefs. Sounds a lot like Sharia law to me.

I would say that it's funny or odd that someone who so proudly professes to believe in freedom would feel this way, but it's actually sadly predictable.”

“sounds like some people are okay with limiting freedoms of some people to comply with certain religious beliefs. Sounds a lot like Sharia law to me.

sounds like some people can't/don't read”

“Why do you blame others for your own problems/”

“Jeeze, my comment was edited. Pathetic.”

“Limiting Freedom?

I am sorry Pepsi...if we base our debate on "Rights" and not providing "special rights" to a protected group (the definition of RACISIM)...What RIGHT do the Gays not have that every other American HAS?”

“What RIGHT do the Gays not have that every other American HAS?”

the right to marry each other

in b4 "hurr durr a gay man can marry a gay woman hurr durr"”

“Ahem...Crash every American has the RIGHT to marry someone within the "Definition" of Marriage which is the union of a woman and a man.

NOW I assume you want to create a 'special" right which allows someone to "marry whomever or technically "whatever" they want"?”

“I'd like to marry mold, or a stinky shoe, or a booger.”

“get the legislation passed, and you can”

“I think the challenge is to re-define "WHAT" the term Married will now be. Why can't the alternative lifestyle crowd be happy with "Civil Union"?

Or is it the fact that they want the term "marry" which denotes "social acceptability" to be watered down because even they admit it is WRONG?

Its like the Liberals changing the term "Illegal Alien" (i.e. Criminal) to "Undocumented Alien" which sounds like the person in quesiton is NOT a criminal but rather some poor slob who lost their paperwork.”

“. Why can't the alternative lifestyle crowd be happy with "Civil Union"?

ive said numerous times it doesnt matter what you call it, at least it wouldnt to me.

Or is it the fact that they want the term "marry" which denotes "social acceptability"

i imagine that factors into it for some.

to be watered down

wtf?

because even they admit it is WRONG?

no.”

“Crash...the term married is essentially a "religious" term...(think Bible here). I would prefer a term like "civil Union" that would encompass the desire to join together.”

“Crash...the term married is essentially a "religious" term...(think Bible here).

Define religious term.

Why do we allow women to vote? Why isn't slavery still legal in the United States?”

“OOh good response WK...right out of the Liberal Playbook.

HMMMM..so where in Bible does it condone Slavery or oppse women's right to vote?”

“Keep guessing X...did not vote for your guy in office now.

I just believe in the live and let live philosphy. It does not affect any part of me life. I was raised strict Baptist as well! I belonged to a church that would show up and cheer at the funerals of soldiers.

Your kind of people”

“I would prefer a term like "civil Union

nobody cares what you would like”

“Wait...you were a member of Westboro Baptist? I mean you do know that is the ONLY church that did this right?

SO I now also can assume you are a member of the Phelps Extended Family?

So you all UP wit da Live and Let Live principal....thats nice... makes it easier to ignore life and just enjoy the mental instability that goes with being one of the Westboro inbreds....THANKS FOR SHARING”

“all of these concerns are addressed and fixed here:

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/43222,-1.php”

“Not that church...sorry to burst your bubble”

“in b4 no true scotsman
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“Thanks for the insults though! No one can be as perfect as you.”

“crash, you're incorrigible /roar”

“Sorry WK...but when you wrote

I was raised strict Baptist as well! I belonged to a church that would show up and cheer at the funerals of soldiers.
Your kind of people”
Wounded Knee
12:26:56 PM
8/09/10

I guess since I thought WORDS mean things..and Westboro isn't actually a "Baptist" Church (independent so not really aligned) So when you said you were part of a church that actually cheered at funerals...I made the conclusion (since there is only ONE church doing it) that you were claiming membership in Westboro.”

“BINO church? What will the next excuses be? The Partea is not really made of hicks and winos.”

“Personally I am more concerned with the fly by night Hollywood and Celebrity 20 minute marriages than I am any "alternative lifestyle" marriage.

I (having survived a divorce even HER attoreny agreed was necessary) believe there should be a "divorce Tax" after your first divorce. After the first divorce, everything regardless of prenuptual should be combined and the Government should get a tax on the total value.

So if Celebrity A and B get divorced, you combine their income, assets and take say 20% for the Government....easy way to make money and you tax the stuff you want to prohibit.”

“and take say 20% for the Government

Good idea if you lower taxes accordingly.”

“haha xl the big gubmint socialist”

“Why should the gov have anything to do with marriage. They should worry about what is their job and let the new taxpaying churches take care on all the stupid ceremonial nonsense.”

“UM no Crash...see if you will take a class in Economics you find that you "tax" those behaviors you want to limit....

IE since the PrezBO and your other buddies want to TAX success and production we can only infer you and your other liberal buddies want to CONTROL success....(LOL)”

“either way, xl, you still want big gubmint to solve it for you. hahahaha

always boohooing about how big gubmint wrecks everything and should stay out of our lives, until there is an issue that youd like them to get involved in

bwhahahahahaha”

“Busted.”