I want to buy a canoe

“I am looking for anyone that has a small canoe for sale?”

“Maple should have three or four laying around. I don't even know what's in our garage anymore!”

“Cool let me know what she wants to get rid of...and how much.”

“If Crazy Treebeard can't get you into a canoe, he'll let his wife buy another one!”

“LOL

yeah right
I am the cap of my boats”

“Hey if he can get me into a canoe... I hope he does buy her another one!”

“LOL rox

ok the best canoe that I know of is Old Town

we had a chance to use one last year and will use one again this year. they are starting to make them lightweight.

old town”

“Rox, I learned more than I ever wanted to know about canoes when I started searching for one to buy 6 years ago. Where are your planning in using it-flatwater, whitewater, places with lots of rocks near the shore? Do you want it primarily for one person or two people? Do you want to carry gear, and how much gear? Some of this will determine how much you want it to weigh (are you handling getting it on and off your vehicle by yourself?), how much rocker, how much freeboard with a load, what kind of hull design do you want? Hull design will determine initial stability (when you first get in the boat) vs. secondary stability (when you're moving through the water). Do you want wood or vinyl gunwales? Wood is beautiful, but requires a bit of maintenance every year. You can get canoes in Royalex, aluminum, kevlar, fiberglass, wood, rotomolded plastic.

Good luck, I hope you find what you're looking for. My advice would be to buy a used one. Lots of people buy them thinking they'll use them a lot, but they end up sitting unused for years when someone finally decides to sell.”

“rox, get a kayak instead.”

“Thanks Maple I will look it over, not sure if I can get a new one but I can drool on the computer.”

“yeah what ski said.”

“BTW, we ended up buying with Mad River Explorer in Royalex with ash gunwales, thwarts, end caps and cane seats.”

“rox, when ever I go into a gear store, the saleperson asks me if they can help me, I say not thank you I am just here to drool!

I heart hiking and water gear”

“"I am the cap of my boats"

mapleleaf
09:10:12 AM
06/03/04

Is that anything like being the Master of your Domain?”

“LOL ski, if BOB is around then NO i guess i am not”

“Do they make a kayak that is open not closed up on your body?”

“yes, look for a "recreational" kayak, they make some that are more like slightly closed canoes, but still open over your legs”

“try a sit on top kayak

”

“or those :)

check out too:

paddling.net

They have a buyers guide and a discussion forum and are very helpful if you ask a question.

I didn't even get called a troll there.”

“I think ski has it covered.
Canoeing used to be my life, until I got into backpacking.
If you're a good garage sale shopper, my dad got my canoe, homemade redwood strip, for $125 at a garage sale many years ago.”

“Roam, I have asked quite a few questions on paddling.net. Great place for a beginner to go.

As soon as the house sells I will be buying me a kayak and a new mountain bike....wooohooo new gear so I can hurt myself even more”

“I love my 14' Radisson. 41lbs, will hold up to 850lbs, very stable, has ore locks.

Radisson”

“I do want something I can use on flat water of some light moving water. A watercraft I can load myself and one that I can ride alone or have up to 2 people.
I don't really know which materials make the boat weigh the least...or determine the flip abilities of the craft.”

“Along with the paddler.net advice from Roam Around, find a copy of the annual Canoe & Kayak magazine Buyer's Guide -- should be on the stands now. The advice and comparison info will help you in finding a used canoe that suits your needs as well as sorting out all the new ones. In buying used, it is still a matter of picking a boat that suits your needs -- you could find some cheap used canoes that seem good because of the price, but will not be right for you. If you prep yourself with good info, it'll help you resist those "good deals" and hold out for the right boat. Check with canoe/kayak shops for demos, trade-ins or postings by customers who are selling used boats. Also find out when a shop/outfitter in your area is having a "demo day" where you can try out a variety of boats on a local lake or pond.

Personal recommendation -- get a solo boat. You will use it more than a tandem boat and never have the issues that come with a paddling partner at the other end of the boat. We have two canoes, two kayaks and one sit-on-top kayak -- all solo. We donated my first canoe, a 17-foot aluminum tandem, to a fundraiser auction because it never got used anymore once my wife and I went with our own boats. Much better time on the water when you captain your own boat. See the Namekagon TR (search "her lip" or "big wiener" to find the thread) and find mataharihiker's and the other's photo links. You'll see the solo canoes reino and I paddle.”

“Thanks for the links and advice.. I am enjoying all the sites , I am also taking your advice lumberzac and I am checking out the local for sale ads.

So solo is better for a beginner?
Don't worry about a 2man?
I would like to use the craft for fishing out of too.”

“pekka, seeing yours and other folks kayaks on here is waht made me wantto get one. they look like they would be a blast.

I ahve been thinking about going to a kayaking school one weekend over at the NOC in NC. They have classes fro beginners. Nothing like seeing a 53 yr old in a class with kids...lol”

“those guys are pretty good at NOC Ewker, I bet you won't be the only "grown up" there either - it's snowbird season in the Nantahala area now.”

“rox, it's all in the design of the particular model. That's why I mentioned the buying guide. It will picture the different hull shapes and contours. There are variants in both tandem and solo canoes that would make them suitable for different uses. As with BPing equipment, it is hard to really find the perfect "all-purpose" canoe since needs and paddlers vary so much. Two 17-foot tandem canoes can be different in every way other than length, as can two 14-foot solos.

My solo canoe, made of Royalite, only weighs about 35 pounds, is suitable for up to Class II rapids if you have the skills, has good initial and reserve stability, tracks well, responds very well to paddling technique, but gets sluggish if overloaded or weathercocks if carrying an unbalanced load.

Be wary of fairly short, heavy, flat-bottomed, wide canoes that are promoted as good fishing platforms. While they have good initial stability, making them attractive to beginners, secondary or reserve stability (what you need when it tips or leans a bit) is often non-existent. Once you start to tip, it flips over fast. Plus heavy, short and wide means slow, slow, slow on the water and much harder paddling. Not to mention having to manhandle them on and off a car/truck.

My wife, reino, has no problem putting a 35-lb. solo canoe on the car by herself. It means she is much more likely to get on the water, and on the water, the light weight and fairly narrow hull shape means that paddling is pretty effortless in most situations. Yet it can easily be used to fish from once the paddler understands it can be leaned without tipping over.

I spent a lot of time over the years figuring out the options and my needs and trying out different canoes. The payoff has been great satisfaction with my current canoe.

And it wasn't that expensive, either, all in all. A canoe or kayak you don't use is expensive at any price.”

“Thanks Pekka, I will look for that magazine and do some research and see what I can find.. so a craft with a smaller bow will be easier to paddle?”

“HOBBIE KAYAK -- '02, 2 person, set on top, seats & paddles incl. Excellent cond, $420.

found this on the ads page of the newspaper”

“sit on top kayaks are great for fishing


(so i have heard)

you worm killer!”

“lmao... I hope that some of the creeks I go into will be using artificial lures...however I just can't touch a cricket...ewwwwwwww

They have hairy legs!!!!”

“

he may be hairy, but its a major turn on for fishies.

you fishie killer!”

“

this is sexy!”

“rox, the entry lines of the bow will certainly affect how it moves through the water. Finer lines will slice through the water, blunter/wider bows shove the water aside and clearly are more work to paddle. A higher rise to the bow will be dryer in chop or waves, but will be more susceptible to being pushed around by wind than a lower rise bow/stern.

Sit on tops have their purposes (I have an Ocean Kayak Yahoo! model that is made for river use up to Class III whitewater and wave surfing on coasts), but are best suited to warm weather. And remember, if it is a tandem, it will be harder to paddle and handle by one person. So if you know you will have a partner every time, great. But if you want to go paddling and can't find someone who wants to go too, well, that sounds just like trying to find a hiking partner when the mood hits.”

“EWWWWWWwwwwww..that is giving me the creeps!”

“Yeah you have a point about trying to find a partner Pekka if you don't want to go alone.

Thanks for the advice about the bow of the boat...that helped a lot.”

“I would also suggest that you rent a few to try out before you buy.”

“That is a great idea... thanks”

“i have an old town discovery 169 that i would maybe sell. it is about 6 years old and in excellent, all but new, condition. it was, at the time i bought it, rated as either their highest or second highest canoe as far as weight capacity. my memory fails me a little. i believe it is rated for 1034 lbs. load. it would be considered a tripper. a good river runner that tracks fairly well on flatwater due to it length. wood/cane seats and wooden yoke. it has always been stored indoors when not in use so uv degradation is not an issue. two paddles and a few life vests.

what area do you live in? i'm in richmond, va. and could maybe deliver or meet half way or something for delivery if we were to strike a deal.”

“correction: wood and nylon webbing seats. old town doesn't make this canoe anymore. if you go to their website, it is almost identical to the discovery scout only a foot longer. same materials, design. it is green in color.”

“The little man in the boat,
Did his best to float,
But he couldn't handle the flow,
Inside her camel toe.”

“I found this and thought I would pass it along to anyone who canoes.


Open Canoe Mistakes


11 Common Whitewater Miscues

Hundreds of paddlers of all ages attend our canoe school annually. Day after day, we detect and correct paddling problems of all walks of canoeists, from beginner to advanced. When you spend as much time teaching canoeing skills as we do, you notice about 11 common bad habits many canoeists develop. If paddlers never have their mistakes corrected, everything from surfing and ferrying to catching midstream eddies and navigating big drops becomes more and more difficult.

Like telemark skiing versus alpine skiing, single-blade paddling is harder to learn than double-blade boating. The longer learning curve requires a basic toolbox of skills to attain a high level of proficiency. Following are 11 of the most common paddling mistakes that will keep you from becoming an efficient paddler.

1.Pulling your paddle grip inside of your canoe gunwale, which puts your blade at an angle when ruddering. Instead, extend your upper hand out so the grip is outside the gunwale.

2.Not heeling the canoe's hull into the direction of a turn.

3.Trying to draw or sweep the bow against the current to change the canoe's direction instead of prying or drawing the stern downstream.

4.Changing paddling sides to steer the canoe.

5.Not holding the paddle vertical when doing a power stroke.

6.When solo paddling or paddling stern in a tandem, not doing a rudder at the end of the power stroke.

7.Leaving eddies with too much angle when starting an upstream ferry.

8.Not starting a stern pry with the paddle blade touching the side of the canoe at the stern, and prying the paddle until it is so far out that it kills forward momentum. Inappropriate reverse sweeps create the same problem.

9.Not burying the blade completely under the surface when executing strokes.

10.Not enough forward momentum when punching eddy lines.

11.Using a paddle that is too short.

Contributed By: Douglas Whipper”

“Email me about your canoe for sale”

“That's a really excellent canoe baume has. If I were closer to Richmond, I'd consider making an offer myself.”

“My advice for whitewater canoists.

Don't point, paddle and shout.”

“rox1, i am on my way out the door heading for the peaks of otter. i will email when we get home sunday evening sometime.”

“clem35yeah@yahoo.com
Thanks
Rox”

“lets all flood rox with email


he he he he he”