Media Bias Resolved

“Hey, it was just the standard Coleridge reference.... but Rudy flipped out!  (I guess that's his job.... < VBG >)

I'm sure this will all shake out in less than a day, if it hasn't already.


This must be the piece Brian Lamb was reading from:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/14/us/politics/14paper.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"Catherine J. Mathis, a spokeswoman for The New York Times Company, said the advertising department does not base its rates on political content. She also said the department does not disclose the rates it charges for individual advertisements. But she did say that “similar types of ads are priced in the same way.” She said the department charges advocacy groups $64,575 for full-page, black-and-white advertisements that run on a “standby” basis, meaning an advertiser can request a specific day and placement but is not guaranteed them.

Earlier in the piece:

"Mr. Giuliani, a Republican presidential candidate, sought — and received — space in Friday editions of the newspaper for an advertisement in which he praises General Petraeus. Neither the Giuliani campaign nor The Times’s advertising department would disclose the price."

HMmmm.   Why no disclosure from Rudy's camp?

(I think they got the same standard discount)”

“Hmmmm....why no disclosure from the New York Times????”

“LOL

Time will tell....”

“The big scandal here is MoveOn.org and The New York Times.”

“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296745,00.html

So far the New York Times has not offered Freedom Watch the same rate they gave Moveon.org. The terms of the placement could be different, however. Let's see how this plays out.”

“HB, guess you missed the real issue here. The point is that the totally unbiased NY Times sold an ad to Moveon.org at a price that is way below any price they have published. Now would they give the same price to any political ad, or just one they agree with.

As far as I can see nobody really gives a rat's rear end what moveon.org said in the ad. That isn't even the issue. And as far as I'm concerned I don't care what NYT charges their advertisers, that's pretty much between them and their stockholders. I just think it's interesting and I wonder how they are going to handle other requests for advertising space (given that thay are completely unbiased).”

“As far as I can see nobody really gives a rat's rear end what moveon.org said in the ad.

thats right. even the wingnuts agree petraeus's report is a joke and he is another lapdog”

“Exactly!
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“Uh oh... The trolls are waking up.

Check ya later!”

“Tilt thinks a troll is someone with a different opinion than he.

LOL!”

“sounds a lot like the way stovie, xlax and um, er, you operate, no?”

“LOL>...wow kinda been quiet today. I think the Times has been discredited for years....I don't accept them as a source in courses I teach. If you quote the Times you have to reference other material to back it up....(LOL)”

“Yeah, Hannity really had his draws in a bunch over this a few minutes ago. I think he's calling for the impeachment of Clinton -- which one I can't just make out yet -- and pulled up Newts pants on the way back up.”

“Course title: Surf the internet from work all day on the guvmint dime and complain you work 24/7. 1 credit.”

“1 credit? That's pretty liberal, hikerboy.
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“LOL>>..I see Vile baby is still hiding and playing with his troll.”

“Advertising Age Sez:

Giuliani Also Gets Liberal Discount From Times


Marketers, Take Note: 61% Price Chop for Ad in Grey Lady if You Buy Standby

By Nat Ives and Ira Teinowitz

Published: September 14, 2007


Rudy certainly rode that for all it was worth ---- and some people believed him.”

“Hmmm... looks like Alan Keyes is at it again.”

“So the fact that Murdoch's media picked up this false story and ran like hell with it does seem to resolve the whole media bias debate.

Thanks wingnuts... case settled.



I also read the other day that Fox was the only network not to carry the Democratic response to Bush's speech the other day.”

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“I also read the other day that Fox was the only network not to carry the Democratic response to Bush's speech the other day.

Uh, it's not typical for the other party to give a rebuttal to a president addressing Americans. This wasn't the Address to Congress. Why would they? They get their say every night on the news. Like they said, he's only given like 8 of these his whole presidency.”

“"Like they said, he's only given like 8 of these(speeches) his whole presidency."

And each one is as mind-numbing as the last and is an example of the depths to which the office of the President Of The U.S. has sunk.”

“Nice try at misdirection.”

“I heard Petraeus gave Only One interview.... to Fox, naturally.... and it was simply to get a wider audience for his presentation.  Apparently, there were no tough or even moderately pointed questions at all.  The primary descriptor I heard was "slide show".

He could've given an interview to The Times.... and have Judith Miller conduct it,  < grin >.

No, I didn't see it personally (but I bet it's on youtube somewhere).  Whenever I get a new TV or cable box, the first thing I do is delete Fox.  Those things are too expensive to have projectiles hurled at them.... and truthfully, I just don't need the aggravation,      LOL

I have relatives who run Fox about 24 hours a day, so it all balances out, I guess.”

“It is typical for the "other party" to address the nation with a response, whether it be classified as a "rebuttal" is open to question.

It is also responsible fo the "other party" to address the same issue from their point of view and give constituents some idea as to how they are doing their job as legislators actively involved in the political process and not just rubber-stamping for the executive branch.”

“They are all biased when they never mention the private contractors in Iraq. The troops this and that, but how many are getting paid ten times what the military gets and when do they have to meet benchmarks?”

“This administration is really milking the U.
S. Treasury when it comes to the private contractors/mercenaries.

What irks me about that is that the contractors did not swear an oath as military personel did.
Not only do they make way more money, but they can and will turn tail if things get too hot for them.
Real soldiers and marines will stay and fight because it is their duty.”

“It is also responsible fo the "other party" to address the same issue from their point of view and ...

Like I said MarkO, they get to do that every night on the news.

“Nice try at misdirection.” - VioLiN

The reality is the fact that the other news agencies DID put on the "rebuttal" says more about their bias of what they consider news, than it does about Fox's biases. Their rebuttal of the President's address to the nation (just the mere existence of it) was more rude than it was news.”

“"Like I said MarkO, they get to do that every night on the news."

I don't watch network news but once in a blue moon but I know the network news does not "rebut" or "respond" to the president's occasional national addresses "every night".

The press in general does expose the Bush Administration's lies on a regular basis.......as if a significant number of people have the attention span to really listen.”

“I wonder about the so-called contractors and the legal grey area they operate in.   What are their rules of engagement?  What are their responsibilities under the Geneva Conventions and other international laws?

It just occurred to me.... If they are not uniformed soldiers of the United States (or any country for that matter), could they fit the legal definition of 'enemy combatants'??

wow.”

“I still love the fact that the head of the LIBERAL COuncil on Foriegn Relations Prefers the Accuracy on Fox....(LOL)”

“BTW, that last post was written BEFORE the latest Blackwater story broke.  Sometimes I'm downright prescient.

Looks like if the Iraqi Interior Ministry gets its way, Blackwater is on the next stagecoach out of town.”

“But Anyway ---- Back to the Betraeus / MoveOn / Times Ad whatever....

It's been interesting to follow the non-story about the discount MoveOn got for the now legendary Betreaus ad. Anytime you'd like to do the same, all you have to do is set up a Google News Alert and you get an email when stories matching your search terms appear.

This is how it went:

Some rightwing blogs picked up the story that MoveOn had gotten a discount. The NY Post printed a one-sided smear story. American Spectator repeated it. Fox reprinted in on their website. The Times debunked it. Advertising Age completely debunked it. [MoveOn got the standard discount ANY advocacy group, including VoteForRudy, would get for that category of ad]

O'Reilly spread the false story on Fox, and so did Brit Hume.

After all the noise Giuliani made about the alleged preferential discount.... There Is Not A Single Mention Of It On His Website.

Wonder why.... LOL

USA Today reports he got the same standard discount he so stridently demanded.


If you'd like an 'inside baseball' view of how this sort of thing is played within present-day presidential campaigns, read this piece by former Giuliani campaign advisor Patrick Ruffini.

The whole MoveOn rhubarb was another fundraising opportunity --- for both sides. And when you're "cashing in on the outrage," timing is everything.”

“O'Reilly is a lying pig...............DUH!!”

“Tiltypoo and mArKo fully support MoveOn.”

“It's funny how the libs confuse private opinion pieces as "media bias", but don't recognize evening "news" shows on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS for their biases. That's funny.”

““Tiltypoo and mArKo fully support MoveOn.”

MoveOn is funded by foreign donations trying to bring down the country, and libs in the U.S.”

“I simply stated that O'Reilly is a lying pig.......DUH!!

I said nothing about MOVEON, dang NEO-KOOKS.”

“It's not always about you, man.”

“Tiltypoo and mArKo fully support MoveOn.”
StoveStomper
11:28:05 AM
9/18/07

You're right, its all about Tilty and MarkO.”

“That's Tiltypoo to yoo.”

“Asking me what L&R is, come on wingers.”

“Hey, adm. Fallon, tell us about this Gen. Betrayus?”

“The New York Times now admits that it gave MoveOn.org a discounted rate that violates its own policy.

Liberal Bias? Of course.”

“Will the Times charge MoveOn.org for the balance of the ad? Will the Times be charged with making an illegal political contribution?”

“It's NY.

Hillary will be right on that.”

“The latter makes more sense.”

“Looks like now they got a FREE ad.”