I thought Democrats were for the workin man

“Nigal, your dumb-a$$ has no idea what you are talking about, again. I don't think you have the grounds or familiarization with my job to question my work ethic or work hours.”

“"then of course we have people like yourself who are always talking about rich people and acting like you deserve the same things they have worked for while you sit there and phuck off at your library job."

Wrong, weenie.
I object to corporate welfare and cheating, I deserve only what I deserve.
Its called a sense of fairness.

You sound like a control freak Republican.....always worried about other.
Take a look inside.

I hazard a guess that I have done more REALLY hard physical work in my lifetime than most.
You don't know the $h!t I've done.
My conscience, and I have one, is clear.
My Karma is right on!

There is no point in standing at attention or doing jumping jacks at slack times.

Your attitude is one reason why there are so many nut cases and alcoholics here in the Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave...........PLAY BALL!!!!”

“ps. I love you >8^)”

“"Nigal, your dumb-a$$ has no idea what you are talking about, again. I don't think you have the grounds or familiarization with my job to question my work ethic or work hours."

So do you post from work or not?”

“Control freak....>8^P”

““Wrong, weenie.
I object to corporate welfare and cheating, I deserve only what I deserve.
Its called a sense of fairness.”

Why not say “I deserve what I EARN”? That’s fair.

“You sound like a control freak Republican.....always worried about other.”

I couldn’t care less what the hell you do Tom. Lay down and die for all I care. Just because I point out hypocritical irony don’t be hatin’ on me.


“Your attitude is one reason why there are so many nut cases and alcoholics here in the Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave........…”

Bawhahahahaha! Yeah, a good work ethic is a terrible thing Tom. It’s people like me that depend on getting out of people what is expected of them that causes people to go over the edge and drink heavily. LOL!”

“I post from work.”

“"Why not say “I deserve what I EARN”? That’s fair"

OK, what's the difference?
That's pretty much what I meant.

"I couldn’t care less what the hell you do"

So how about practicing what you just said leave it be.
Your Karma is from hell, dude!
No wonder you're such a bitter young man.


"Yeah, a good work ethic is a terrible thing"

There's a difference between a work ethic and runnin' people into the ground.....pay cuts, benefit cuts, more, more, more....all in the name of "productivity".

Go ahead, have the last word, I've got my crossword puzzle to finish!”

““So how about practicing what you just said leave it be.
Your Karma is from hell, dude!
No wonder you're such a bitter young man.”

I don’t have karma. I ain’t young. And I’m not bitter. Anyone who knows me will tell ya I’m one funny prick. Leave it be? As long as the slackers keep crying about the state of affairs I’ll shut my hole. J

“There's a difference between a work ethic and runnin' people into the ground..…“

Who said anything about running people into the ground? I would expect an employee to do what they are hired to do. If that’s running them into the ground then you’re a bigger slacker than I thought.

“pay cuts, benefit cuts, more, more, more....all in the name of "productivity".”

See? You’re showing your hatred of “da man” once a again. I never said this dill hole. A person should have benefits befitting their job and value. If you are a skilled worker who’s skills are in demand you should have commensurate benefits. If you are a ditch digger or bag boy your benefits are going to be less.

If a person doesn’t like the way their boss is treating them, take your wares elsewhere. Someone is always buying what ya got to sell if you have something to offer.”

“"See? You’re showing your hatred of “da man” once a again."

No, I'm showing my understanding of reality.

"I ain’t young."

You ain't even forty.......YOUNG!

"A person should have benefits befitting their job and value."

Young and idealistic, huh?

You need Buddha Bear to give you a reality check.

Dill Hole?
I love kosher dills........extra garlic.....mmmmmm”

““No, I'm showing my understanding of reality.”

And of course your understanding is the end all to reality. Gawd, ya sound like my backwards, stuck in his own ways dad.

“You ain't even forty.......YOUNG!”

Just because I’m younger than you doesn’t mean I you need to give me the “dumb youngster” routine.

“Young and idealistic, huh?”

This is just a matter of pragmatism. A person gets what they are worth and to expect more is selling yourself short and asking for a hand out.

“You need Buddha Bear to give you a reality check.”

Having read some of his views I would hardly think he’s one to give advice on reality. He is a typical liberal trying to peddle his religion of politics. I can hardly even take him seriously.”

“"Having read some of his views I would hardly think he’s one to give advice on reality. He is a typical liberal trying to peddle his religion of politics. I can hardly even take him seriously."

But he sure if fun to drink a beer with!”

“Liberals peddling a 'religion'??

Isn't that ironic, LOL”

“You misread tilt. Liberalism IS his religion and he pushes it harder than any fundie christian I've ever seen.”

“Buddha Bear is a typical liberal????

Aw man, I just pissed my pants!

"This is just a matter of pragmatism. A person gets what they are worth and to expect more is selling yourself short and asking for a hand out."

Reality is that people don't always get what they're worth with out a struggle.

I don't take no stinkin' handouts, but, if you're buyin, I will have another beer, please!”

“"Reality is that people don't always get what they're worth with out a struggle."

If they ain't given what you're worth don't work there. It's called freedom of choice. If someone's phucking ya it's your own fault for being there. [handing Tom a PBR]”

“I get all the work I can get done on time.”

“Yum!
PBR!!

If someone's "doin' ya", you don't have to run away.
There are such things as rules and you can stand up to a bully by stickin' them with the rules.”

“No, I see exactly what you're doing, Nigal. You're trying to equate Liberalism with one of your religions... you know... taken on faith alone, no proof necessary, etc.

Even to the point where it's 'peddled' door-to-door...”

“Liberal is too flexible to be called an "ism".”

“"No, I see exactly what you're doing, Nigal. You're trying to equate Liberalism with one of your religions... you know... taken on faith alone, no proof necessary, etc.”

Not on faith but a belief system and at what degree it is taken at. I equate Buddah’s liberal views to that of a Baptist fundie who thinks their way is the only way and everyone else is wrong. That’s what I’m talking about. A religion doesn’t have to be metaphysical or even spiritual. Face it, politics is the new religion.

“Even to the point where it's 'peddled' door-to-door..."

The only thing I do door to door is Ding Dong Ditch. J”

“Ding Dong, what???”

“"Ding Dong, what???"

Folks of your day might know it as ni**er knocking. Sorry for the slur.”

“I got attacked by door-to-door religion salesmen again the other day, so the 'peddling' is still on my mind.

'Tweren't Avon Calling.”

“Ya just gotta know how to deal with the theological peddlers. I had these two JW ladies stammering and stuttering so bad once. They went away and I never saw them again. Guess I got black listed. I had a couple mormon fellas come around a few times and I had some nice front porch talks with them. They never left without asking if there was anything I needed help with. They even offered to help me put up a fence.

I like Mormons. Never met one I didn't like yet.”

“I just say "Thanks, but no thanks"


That doorbell ringing at the crack of dawn is kindof a pain, tho'...”

“Having read some of his views I would hardly think he’s one to give advice on reality. He is a typical liberal trying to peddle his religion of politics. I can hardly even take him seriously."

There is nothing religious about what I say or do. I base my opinions on facts, logic, reason and reality. Nigal, on the other hand, bases his opinions on ideology, faith, and what people who are like minded tell him to think. I also have to note that when I posted things on this site that leaned toward the republican line of thinking, you never mentioned that I was out of touch with reality. The Nigal's way or the highway attitude is a weak arguement that shows a lack of intelligence and logic.

You may call what I post preaching, but I'm only stating the obvious. If you can't understand that, and want to personally attack me, that's your choice. I could care less.”

“"I don’t have karma."
Nigal

It shows.”

“Well thanks Jay. Coming from you that means, well, nothing but anyhow…

"The Nigal's way or the highway attitude is a weak arguement that shows a lack of intelligence and logic."

But wait a tick here...


"You may call what I post preaching, but I'm only stating the obvious."

Wow, I've seen some hypocrites in my day but they usually don't contradict themselves within one sentence. Not being your usual slick self today are ya. I give you a hard time because I think you are one of the most egotistical and condescending people I’ve ever met. The self involved frat boy mentality you exhibit freely is one that I have always disliked and have no problem commenting on. Plain and simple.

Don’t like my opinions, put me on ignore. Either way, phuck off and die. 8)”

“""I don’t have karma."
Nigal

It shows."

Karma is a religous idea I do not prescribe to. I'm surprised you do Tom.

Don't you have some books to sort little buddy? 8)”

“This fun banter between Nigal and BB is why I emailed both of them a few weeks ago to see if they wanted to go to the Smokies last week. Neither responded. Maybe that's a good thing now that I see this.

Actually, it'd be a scream to have a trip with both of them.”

“I've gottchyer little buddy right here!

Surprised?
I'm full of surprises.........as well as full of $h!t, sometimes. >8^]”

“Me hiking with Jay? LOL! Thanks but no thanks. Call me intolerant but I have a limited amount of time to hike so I'm not prone to spend it with people I don't care for.”

“That was a term of endearment Tom. I know that you ain't a small guy. Well, that picture of you diving in the water from behind left a lot to be desired but...”

“No karma~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”

“HUh?????

Left a lot of butt to be desired???”

“Did you get the email Nigal?”

“Democrats are for the un-working man. Tax the crap out of the working man so those who don't reeeeally wanna work can still have a decent standard of living as a moocher.”

“I know Nigal, I really need to work on my tolerance of stupid people. In your case, I'll make an exception.

I have had many debates with folks here on TT from the right (dayhiker, windwalker, manuka, HPM, etc.) But you and stratty seem to preach more than debate.

Again. When you base your opinions on faith, ideology, and sources that aren't credible.....that's preachin' son! You "state the obvious" by making a case using facts, logic, reason and reliable sources.

I'll give you an example Nigal, since I know this isn't sinking in.

"Am I the only one that notices that Buddha (loyal to his hard working little guy in his union and champion of fiscal responsibility) gets paid to post on TT during work hours. Paid for by the sweat and work of the ones he represents."
Nigal
09:13:14 AM
06/22/04"

Nigal never asked me, nor does he know when my working hours are. If he would have asked, I would have told him that my hours vary during the day. Sometimes, when in negotiations, I'll start at noon and work until 8 or ten o'clock. I more or less make my own hours. My work gets done, on time, and well. I know this because, well, all the work is done in a timely manner (my job has many dealines for things to be completed), and it's done well because of the past 13 negotiations I've worked, 9 of the contracts were ratified unanimously, and the others passed by a large majority. I have also prevailed in over 50% of the arbitration cases I've argued, which is 20% higher than the average.

So what Nigal does, instead of gathering the facts, is jump to a ridiculous conclusion, and in doing so attacks my good character and reputation. This, folks, is preaching. My explaination above, the obvious.”

“How do windfalls for the trust fund babies help The Working Man, O Wise One? LOL

You Know that money has to come from Somewhere to pay for all those smart-bombs doncha?”

“dayhiker, I never got the email.

my email is jayd14@mail.com.

I may be in the Smokies during the 4th.

If ole' Nigal doesn't want to hike with me, that's cool. There on people that come here that I don't want to hike with either, and for the past 6 months, you've been one of them.

Late”

“BB - so faith, ideology, and other sources aren't credible? The aren't credible or they aren't credible to you?”

“That's the address I used. The trip is the Enloe Ck trip that appeared as a trip report last week. This was the first trip where on the way out we said that is where we're going next time. Next time it'll be a basecamp out of #47, I think it was. We'll explore downstream on the creek for a whole day.”

“Then again Jay, you still have not stated weather you post from work or not.

Do as you will Buddha. What you do or say effects me not.”

“What e mail dayhiker?”

“I guess that answers that. I emailed both of you on 6/1. I wound up asking if yall received them, but they must have gotten buried in threads. No worries.

Actually, I used the wrong one for BB. It went to his first initial, last name @ hotmail.com.

Nigals went to his handle at care2.com”

“Faith and ideology are based on belief systems. Belief systems are just that, based on beliefs. When I break this down further, I have to ask, to what are these belief systems based on? How do they affect humanity, my family & friends, and myself?

In the case of religion, the belief system is based on the faith of a higher power. The leaders of the curch create the doctrine by which the constituants must live by. These doctrines are interperated in a variety of ways, depending on the leader or members. When you have fanatics who believe that thier doctrine is better than, or the absolute truth over other religions, this is not good for the whole. This usually leads to wars, discrimination, lack of regard for science and facts and those who don't share the same beliefs, in other words, lack of tolerance. When you have lack of tolerance, people who don't share your beliefs are targets. For example; blacks, jews, native americans, and many many tribal cultures who were decimated by organized religion throughout history. We live in the good ole' USA, the so called melting pot of the world. If we don't have tolerance here, and organized religon has so much influence, then we are no better than the Taliban. I'm sure many Afgani's hated the Taliban, yet we question why they did nothing to stop the oppressive fundamentalist regime. When I speak out, I feel that I'm doing something for the good of this melting pot, the good of the whole. There is a seperation of church and state in this country for that very reason. Organized relgion has proved it's lack of tolerance every step of the way throughout history, which is why our forefathers didn't want an "establishment of religion".

As for ideology, the same case can be made. "Trickle Down" economics is a perfect example of a republican ideology that helps the few, not the many. Taking less care of the environment helps the few, not the many.

DH, we should discuss this over some "MileMonster" whiskey over the 4th. How bout' it?”

“Jeez, somebody must have been picked on by a frat boy or somethin'! Don't take it out on me Nigal, I only picked on beer and girls when in college.

And one last thing. I think I need to defend my fraternity here. Not all frat boys are elitist pretty boys who are born with some silver spoon like the mentality that you imply. Most of my brothers paid thier own way through school, worked hard and recieved good grades. We also did a heck of alot of philanthropy work as a group. Mainly, my brothers and I had a common bond in beer and girls, and, if that's so wrong, I don't wanna be right!”

“I wish I could, but my mean, money grubbing boss is sending me to a conference the very next week. The conference is on a cruise ship that leaves port in New Orleans and is bound for Cozumel, Mexico. I'm serious, this is a company trip.

I got a pint of the MM whiskey soon after that trip and still have some.

Ghandhi once said that he could never become a Christian because he never saw one act like they were supposed to act. That's pretty damning and lots of awful things have been done in the name of religion. Lots of awful things have also been done just for grins. When you look at how Christianity is SUPPOSED to play out it's a different thing. Pretty hard to argue with something that's core teaching is love. What follows love? Tolerance.”

“spoken like a married man dayhiker!”