Sink or Swim: Iraq is Free

“"What say you, Mutt?"

LOL! Check out frickin' Laqtose O'Riley ova here.”

“Or the gloves come off as a lame duck. Either way, we will probably have more troops in Iraq, eh?”

“The gloves come off?

Does that mean there will be wholesale slaughter of civilians?”

“"The guerrillas know and understand strength. If we were just to brutalize them - I mean no-holds-barred murder - a few times, there would be far less insurgency."
Mutt
08:56:36 AM

Where has that worked?

Maybe the Warsaw Ghetto?”

“I think it worked in Chechnya, no?”

“That's not what I said ya buncha nin-cum-poopyheads! LOL!

We will be less restrained in how we deal with these pockets of resistance.”

“Thanks Nigal! I love that most of us can keep our humor while debating this stuff.

I think we were respnding to Mutt.

As for your taactics, do you mean less restrained like in Vietnam? :D”

“WASHINGTON -- A new study asserts that roughly 600,000 Iraqis have died from violence since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, a figure many times higher than any previous estimate.

The study, to be published Saturday in the British medical journal the Lancet, was conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health by sending teams of Iraqi doctors across Iraq from May through July. The findings are sure to draw fire from skeptics and could color the debate over the war ahead of congressional elections next month.

The Defense Department until 2004 eschewed any effort to compute the number of Iraqi dead but this summer released a study putting the civilian casualty rate between May and August at 117 people a day. Other tabulations using different methodologies put the range of total civilian fatalities so far from about 50,000 to more than 150,000. President Bush in December said "30,000, more or less" had died in Iraq during the invasion and in the violence since.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116052896787288831-8l5AMVpCdg07M3w6XdmTXoPuzno_20061109.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top”

“'Collateral,' indeed.”

“From what I understand this number is generated from a different model than usually used to compute casualties. They've estimated the base line Iraqi death rate and then computed the death rate since the invasion. The idea is that this would capture not just violent deaths resulting from the invasion, but deaths due to changes in sanitary conditions, decreased access to medical treatment, etc... any death related to worsening conditions.

If anybody has a clearer understanding of the methodology, please correct me. I do note, however, that the study results state: "Overall, the study found 55% of deaths since March 2003 were due to violence."”

““Good, now we can withdraw from the cities and garrison our troops in more safety in Western Iraq.

Is the sky still falling, Chicken Littles?”
Mutt
8:27:52 AM
6/28/04

And the beat goes on............

No one ever said that the sky was falling, but the bodies sure are piling up.......and up.”

“... and we're going after the people who are doing it.”

“"A new study" ...

Let's look at one of their older studies ...

Friday, October 29, 2004

Britain’s medical journal Lancet rushed a report to print in the final days leading up to the US election, claiming that there have been 100,000 civilian casualties in Iraq, half of them women and children. Oddly enough, this figure is almost ten times the already inflated estimates at the moonbat site IraqBodyCount.com.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13334_The_Lancet-_A_Casualty_of_Politics&only



Here's more ...

You may recall, if you’re the type to torture yourself with such things, a pretty widely debunked study that appeared in The Lancet that overstated the Iraqi civilian casualties after the first 18 months of the Iraq War by 300% or more, according to other widely respected and nonpartisan estimates, including those of human rights groups.

Now the same organization is back with a study that inflates the most widely held casualty count by over 1,000% - and they’re using the same ’scientific’ methodology:

http://decision08.net/2006/10/10/the-lancet-study-mach-2-revenge-of-the-bullspit/”

“WOW! Even the liberal "The Slate" whacks their statistics ...

http://www.slate.com/id/2108887/”

“LOL...You know watching this reminds me of the inner city. We get a shooting of a "person" get there blood, body, empty shell casings.....Three hundred people around and NO one saw anything....But they want the detectives to solve it.

Kind of like an alcoholic, they have to want to solve the problem first. But from my friends over there (and coming back here) the majority of the people are extremely glad to see them. Kinda like in the inner city the majority of the people have lived in fear that until they feel empowered they will not take action.”

“Funny how none of the Dubya fans even attempt to defend that crap about "30,000, more or less"...


Even YOU guys can't stomach that one.”

“Didn't defend? Um, I do support our soldiers over there defending them so there isn't more.”

“Tilt is so silly.”

“so ... what about the "collateral indeed" comment? I guess you were assuming that article was correct?”

““Funny how none of the Dubya fans even attempt to defend that crap about "30,000, more or less".

Tilt, what is sad is you guys are not supporting those that do defend them.”

“Anyone see the story about Gary Sinise? While over in Iraq on a USO tour he saw what the schools were like and how much they needed supplies so he came home and got his kid’s and their school involved to sent extra supplies over. It’s now a national organization that has supplied over 250,000 children with school supplies.

I like it when positive, hopeful people see a need and simply fill it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8598489/site/newsweek/”

“Damn good actor also.”

“undead flesh and tilt - where'dya go?”

“Ironically, the sentence completes yet another bet I made and lost!

lol. I'm on a roll.

Sass, I haven't forgotten.”

“How u payin this one off?”

“Ah, it's only five bucks.

Hopefully she didn't mean deer. ;)”

“What was your bet, LaQ?

Hung jury??

Ooo, I feel safer already!

Maybe they could hang Saddam by his ankles like they did Mussolini and stone him to death with potatoes.”

“I said that Saddam would walk.”

“Hey laqtis, don't feel bad. Check out MUtt's predictions:

“Good, now we can withdraw from the cities and garrison our troops in more safety in Western Iraq.

Is the sky still falling, Chicken Littles.?”
Mutt
9:27:52 AM
6/28/04

“The best analysis I've seen lately is this: the insurgents are stepping up the tempo of their operations in time to try to influence the elections. Demonstrating to other Arabs that they can influence American politics would be a Big Thing. With our best guesses at their numbers being a couple thousand, and with numerous casualties reported lately, it's obvious this is an unsustainable burst of activity.

Watch the tempo slow down after the election. As much as the Chicken Littles want to believe the situation is spiraling out of control, and as much as they glory in reports of increased insurgency, the truth is these spikes have been brief in nature and rather disasterous for the insurgents. This will be no exception.”
Mutt
4:06:35 PM
9/27/04

The guerillas really don't stand a chance. ”
Mutt
9:56:36 AM
9/30/04
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“In a country of about 20 million people they might never run out of insurgents.”

“I always knew Saddam Hussien was a swinger.”

“lol @ ped.

Those examples look very familar.

"“In a country of about 20 million people they might never run out of insurgents.”"


At least we are fighting those insurgents over there, instead of over here. ;) lol!”

“"At least we are fighting those insurgents over there, instead of over here. ;) lol!"

Yup, La Q !!!

That's what they told us about the Vietnamese 35 years ago.
Only thing is, they had no plans(or means) to fight us over here.”

“Now the Vietnamese are fighting us over here. It sucks.”

“Alright!!

Its a Sunday Smack Down!!


“Now the Vietnamese are fighting us over here. It sucks.”

Pray......tell?”

“exactly”

“indubitably”

“suckme”

“Marko, 'might never?'?”

“should wait for the appeal process before bets are settled.”

“"“Now the Vietnamese are fighting us over here. It sucks.”"

I would agree. The flooding of the American market with cheap, Communist goods is what is hurting America.




"“suckme”

moonglo
2:43:32 PM
11/05/06"


How is it that this poster wants to be taken seriously, then posts something as this? Incredible.”

“Uh.....might never run out of insurgents.

Of course one could eliminate all human life in Iraq.........problem solved.”

“How is it that this poster wants to be taken seriously, then posts something as this? Incredible.

laqtis - You have a real issue with context dude.”

“"Communist goods" ??

WTF, I thought communists were "bad".

Mountain Equipment Co-op has some nice looking packs made in Vietnam.
http://www.mec.ca”

“That's a Canadian site MarkO.”

“So what??

I am a member of that co-op.

Oh yeah, I'm also a backpacker.”

“So what?? The whole point is that you were saying communist Vietnam is infiltrating America's purchases - and to prove your point - you listed a CANADIAN business!!

LOL!

This is too easy.
last edited: 11/05/06 2:24:05 PM”

““"Communist goods" ??

WTF, I thought communists were "bad".

Mountain Equipment Co-op has some nice looking packs made in Vietnam.
http://www.mec.ca”


I thought Communists were bad as well, however, if this were true, why is the American market place flooded with so many goods made in Communist countries?”