Go See Fahreheit 911

“Dubya's junta does "disgusting and low" rather well.”

“Go Twinks!”

“let me be more specific.

i think the point is that: torture = torture = torture = torture.

morally bankrupt attrocities = morally bankrupt attrocites


it should also be noted that while some AMERICAN men may pay $50 or even have frequent buyer discount cards - the acts of torture (the panties, the nude piggy piles, and pictures) were chosen spefically because they were WORSE than death to the ultra conservative mulism iraqis.


the SCOPE of the attrocities is obviously incomparable - i.e. apples to oranges, watermellons or whatever.

to take the whole event and just shrug it off is the slippery slope part.


ofcourse, maybe i should stop putting words in twinks mouth, but that's just what I interrpreted from her posts.”

“"I say it's a pretty astute conclusion Nigal.”

But tell me WHY. What are you basing it on? What is the connection between Bush and Hitler? What are the FACTS?

“Still awaiting your counter point that has more substance than what you're currently doing which is lashing out at me like a pouty 4 yr old who not getting his/her way."

Counterpoint to what? I’m still trying to get your first point out of the way. A pouty 4 year old? I say your baseless opinion is based on ignorance and I’m ‘lashing out at you’. You give no facts or justification for your statement and call me a pouty 4 year old? Ha! It just gets sweeter and sweeter…”

“Stop saying "the actions of a few", Nigal. Torture was a policy decision. I don't know how high up it goes, but there are several pretty incriminating memos from White House laywers. The army replaced the chief investigator in the case so that he would have at least the rank of Sanchez (junior officers can't investigate their superiors). This goes way the hell up the chain and can't be minimized by anyone that claims to love God.”

“Anyone Read the Memo from the Justice Dept. That said torture was Okee Dokee b/c the Prez can do what he wants in regards to combat?

The Justice Dept. Skeers me now.”

“"Stop saying "the actions of a few", Nigal. Torture was a policy decision. I don't know how high up it goes, but there are several pretty incriminating memos from White House laywers. The army replaced the chief investigator in the case so that he would have at least the rank of Sanchez (junior officers can't investigate their superiors). This goes way the hell up the chain and can't be minimized by anyone that claims to love God."

It IS a comparable few V. Just because I refuse to make a mountain out of a mole hill does not mean I’m mineralizing anything. I too want to know how far up the ladder it goes but the proof hasn’t surfaced to the extent you guys are claiming.”

“oh thank goodness - someone else (Sacco) whose mind is open enough to make the leap of thought - that up until know I did not realize was so abstract and difficult to grasp...

No - the actual acts themselves are not the exact same - but - the INTENT is EXACTLY the same.

I think as more time passes you will see that these tortures were not isolated incidences.”

“Still no answers Twinks? The way you rushed right in here and started this thread I would have thought you'd have a whole pile of facts to back you up. Seems all you have is a bunch of emothioons from seeing the movie.”

“We'll see just how rotten this administration really is.”

“No, Twinks. I have not seen the movie yet, but I intend to. And, if all goes well, I am taking Nigal with me in the hopes that someone from MoveOn.org will put a pair of panties on his head. Photos and TR to follow! :)”

“The memorandum was drafted by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to help the CIA determine how aggressive its interrogators could be during sessions with suspected al Qaeda members. The legal opinion was signed by Jay S. Bybee, then head of the office and now a federal judge. The office consists mainly of political appointees and is considered the executive branch agencies' legal adviser. Memos signed by the head of the office are given the weight of a binding legal opinion.

A Justice Department official said Tuesday at a briefing that the office went "beyond what was asked for," but other lawyers and administration officials said the memo was approved by the department's criminal division and by the office of Attorney General John D. Ashcroft.

In addition, Timothy E. Flanigan -- then deputy White House counsel -- discussed a draft of the document with lawyers at the Office of Legal Counsel before it was finalized, the officials said. David S. Addington, Cheney's counsel, also weighed in with remarks during at least one meeting he held with Justice lawyers involved with writing the opinion. He was particularly concerned, sources said, that the opinion include a clear-cut section on the president's authority.

The commander in chief section of the opinion said laws prohibiting torture do "not apply to the President's detention and interrogation of enemy combatants" in his role as commander in chief. Congress, which has signed international laws prohibiting torture, "may no more regulate the President's ability to detain and interrogate enemy combatants than it may regulate his ability to direct troop movements on the battlefield," according to the August memorandum”

“nigal, there are some similarites:


both "pre-emptively" invaded other countries

both were right wingers (fascism is the extreme right, the same way that communism is extreme left)

both didn't think gays had the same rights as straight folks.

both had members of their administration torture prisoners.

i'm not positive, but i believe that W. hates gypsies too.”

“What is reaaly 'sppooky" and shameful is that the JD legal counsel is suppossed to advise the Executive branch on what is legal and what isn't. In this case, the JD attempted to "bend" and misrep the law.

What happens to lawyers that advisee clients this way?”

“Treebeard, if you go to the movie with Nigal, watch out for the old, "popcorn box on the lap" trick!”

“Thanks for the tip, aero!

Treebeard, you fool!”

“Aero's right. Nigal, keep that corn dog in your pants!”

“Shat man, that's a bit weak don't ya think? Hell, except for the invasion you could be talking about Pat Robertson and I'm sure if he could he would do that too.

And come on, who likes gypsies...really! LOL!”

“is there popcorn in the box too? or totally empty?

wouldn't all the salt be uncomfortable, maybe even painful?”

“No salt, extra butter please.”

“"No, Twinks. I have not seen the movie yet, but I intend to. And, if all goes well, I am taking Nigal with me in the hopes that someone from MoveOn.org will put a pair of panties on his head. Photos and TR to follow! :)"

I’d be wearing my “Trees and clean air are overrated” t shirt and would jump to my feet and cheer every time Bush came on the screen. LOL!”

“hey - F.U. my mom was a gypsy.”

“It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon more would follow. Industry flourished.

But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity. He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time." Thus Hitler annexed Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.

In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.

As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones worth remembering.

February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.

We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which, while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly desirable "shock and awe" among the nation's leadership according to the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the National Defense University Press.

Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of government the German democracy had become through Hitler's close alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using war as a tool to keep power: "fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war. America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to build national infrastructure, promote the arts, and replant forests.

To the extent that our Constitution is still intact, the choice is again ours.”

“From When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann”

“"......and would jump to my feet and cheer every time Bush came on the screen. LOL!"
Nigal
12:18:18 PM

What a dupe!”

“Why don't you wear one that says, My parents went to the Republican National Convention And All They Gave Me Was This Lousy T-Shirt"”

“"hey - F.U. my mom was a gypsy."

Hey, my old man got his degree from F.U.. My mom got her's from Drunken State.”

“Or the one that has Bush's face on it and says, "I'm With Stupid" (index finger pointing to picture)”

“Or the one with Slick Willey that says, "Just because I could!" and on the back it says, "LOL! Who doesn't want to be me?".

Or, "Male, White, Hetero, Conservative and Proud of it!".

I'd be lynched for sure!”

“Go see it wearing a Nixon mask!”

“Can we get back to impeaching Bush and putting him and his entire cabinet on international trial?”

“"Can we get back to impeaching Bush and putting him and his entire cabinet on international trial?"

No, let's get back to you giving informational, non emotionally charged facts and figures as to why you can't tell the difference between Hitler and Bush.

Nothing?”

“Patience Twinks. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn. Expect some big news on another criminal matter very soon.”

“Take politcal advice from a woman that can't remember her own password.

She must have been dumped by her latest boytoy. She's not normally this histrionic and vicious.”

“"Can we get back to impeaching Bush and putting him and his entire cabinet on international trial?"
Twinks LIPWH


that's an ingorant comment if i've ever seen one.

are you trying to say that bush is as bad as clinton and should be impeached?

puhleeze, it's like comparing apples and carrots.

you can say all the bad things about bush you want, but atleast he's never been caught screwing an intern.

screwing an intern - now there is a real crime against humanity, morality, and the very foundations of our great nation.

until bush screws an intern and gets caught, he'll be my #1 man.”

“What impresses me the most about this thread is that it's a political post started by a hot chick. Cool. That just doesn't happen around here.”

“stop kissing ass.


say something mean about W.

or say something mean about hitler.

or you can be like nigal and say mean stuff about twinks, slick willy, or all liberals.

just leave gypsies outov it.”

“May I remind everyone that God made Hitler and Bush in His own Image?”

“evolution is a scam.”

“"The mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small."

Charles Beard”

“Fossils were planted by angels.”

“i just saw that simpsons.”

“Here's a few (and yes, it's borrowed because it would have taken me quite some time to compile this list solo)....

1. Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.



2. Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized national outrage, in Hitler's case the Reichstag fire, in Bush's case the 9-11 catastrophe.



3. Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless ultra-nationalist foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate.



4. Like Hitler, Bush has accordingly improved his popularity ratings, especially with veterans and conservative Republicans, by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany's military buildup, Bush uses Al Qaeda and the Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup.



5. Like Hitler, Bush promotes militarism while in the midst of a major economic recession (or depression). He uses war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis.



6. Like Hitler, Bush glorifies patriotism to stir up public support. He treats our nation's unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God.



7. Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he makes generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the case of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City.



8. Like Hitler, Bush envisages a future world order that guarantees his own nation's hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations). He is willing to break the U.N. Charter in promoting this end.



9. Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.



10. Like Hitler, Bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a "coalition of the willing," to give the impression of having a broad popular alliance. These include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini's Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II.



11. Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations. Today, Bush depends on a "defense" budget roughly equivalent to the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world.



12. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to invade other nations despite the opposition of the U.N. (League of Nations). He also has no qualms about bribing, bullying and insulting its members, even tapping their telephone lines.



13. Like Hitler, Bush pursues war without cutting back on the peacetime economy. He actually seeks to reduce taxes while conducting an expensive invasion and occupation of an "undesirable" nation.



14. Like Hitler, Bush launches unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis. Just as Hitler convinced the German public to think of Poland as a threat to Germany in 1939, Bush wants Americans to think of Iraq as a "potential" threat to our national security.



15. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed, with many thousands of casualties anticipated in Iraq, especially since the city of Baghdad--with a population of between 5 and 6 million--will be a primary target.



16. Like Hitler, Bush depends on a military strategy that features a "shock and awe" blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armor columns.



17. Like Hitler, Bush is perfectly willing to sacrifice life as part of his official duty, as indicated by his unique record as a governor of Texas who was reluctant to commute death sentences.



18. Like Hitler Bush began warfare on a single front (Al Qaeda quartered in Afghanistan), but then expanded it to a second front with Iraq, only to be confronted with North Korea as a potential third front. Much the same thing happened when Hitler expanded German military operations from Spain to Poland and France, then was distracted by Yugoslavia before invading the USSR in 1941.



19. Like Hitler, Bush has no qualms about imposing "regime change" by installing Quisling-style client governments reinforced by full-scale military occupation under a military governor.



20. Like Hitler, Bush curtails civil liberties and depends on detention centers (i.e. concentration camps) such as Guantanamo Bay.



21. Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth. Bush and his spokesmen argue, for example that every measure has been taken to avoid war (hardly true), that an invasion of Iraq will diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat to the world, and that the U.S. is staging an invasion because the risks of inaction would be greater (not less). All of this is highly debatable. They likewise argue that Iraq is linked with Al Qaeda (which has yet to be proven), and that nothing whatsoever has been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. war plans (which simply isn't true). They insist that Iraq hides numerous weapons it does not possess as well

as can be determined by U.N. inspectors, and they refuse to acknowledge the total absence of any nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the late nineties. As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accuse everybody else of deception and evasiveness.



22. Like Hitler, Bush incessantly finds new excuses to justify war—from Iraq's WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat. As soon as one excuse for war is challenged, Bush shifts to another, but only to shift back again at another time.



23. Like Hitler Bush and his cohorts exaggerate ruthlessness by their enemies in order to justify their own. Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the Bush team justifies a full-scale invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity that were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S., supplied with both advisors and materiel (poison gas included) by our own government.



24. Like Hitler, Bush's Messianic ambition to bring about America's hegemonic dominance in the world makes him perhaps the most dangerous President in our nation's history, a rogue chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars.



25. Like Hitler, Bush has become so obsessed with his vision of a Manichaean conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (the anti-patriotic "other") that for many in contact with the White House he is beginning to seem as if he has lost touch with reality.



26. Like Hitler, Bush takes pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice. As a youth Hitler read and memorized the western novels of Karl May, and Bush retains into his maturity his fascination with simplistic cowboy values. He also exaggerates a cowboy twang despite his elitist education at Andover, Yale and Harvard.



27. Like Hitler, Bush misconstrues evolutionary theory, in Hitler's case by treating the Aryan race as being superior, in Bush's case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.”

“Nigal? You still there? Are you in the midst of some sort of emotional hysteria? Do you need a hug?”

“Twinks, you need to stop letting other people do your thinking.”

“i think it's funny that if you say your own stuff then people say, " prove it, i want studies, facts and statistics."

if you copy/paste then people say, " get yer own ideas, ya sheep"

i think the best solution is to steal info and pass it off as yours - just don't get caught.”

“i think the best solution is to steal info and pass it off as yours

That's what I do. So far no one's called me out on it.”

“If I let other people do my thinking I would not be as angry as I am about current political events. I would down my shot of soma and trip blissfully blind through my days...

I have been furious since the last "election" - more furious after 9/11 - then too grief stricken and tired to carry that fury - but this film brought all of that anger and injustice and being so god damnnn tired of being manipulated, lied too, duped, etc... and am so angry at seeing the USA being dragged into the muck by this ego-centric ignoramus called Bush while halfthe country just bends over, spreads their azz checks, and take it.

so unless you can debate me instead of throwing out bs insults - keep your insults in check or go hump a electric fence”

“Excellent, Mutt!

Thanks for the post Twinks!

Get ready for a savage response from Nigal.”

“I was referring to the long post, but the last one is good too, Twinks!”