Abortion, Conservatrive Smokescreen

“I just learned that over the past 35 years, 10 of the people named to thge supreme court have come as republican presidential nominees, while democrats have had only 2. Roe v. Wade remains, and even with a 5:1 ratio, conservatives haven't overturned the verdict.

Why?

Because Roe v. Wade is a massive smokescreen to insure that religious folk who are middle class vote for republicans. They string these folk along, and use the issue as a political chip so these people will forget they lost a job due to repiblican ideals, yet continue to vote for the misleaders on this particular issue.

BTW - Gay marraige is a massive smokescreen as well. :) Nice job RP in duping folks to vote for you based on thier religios principles, when it has nothing to do with the overall health of this nation, or the principle issues at hand...... jobs & national security.

By god, how did I ever support this platform!?! It's the most embarassing thing that I've ever done in my life.... vote for a republican.”

“Uhhh..... That would make a whole lot more sense if you were talking about Justices who SERVED over the last 35 years. And apparently you've forgotten that Justices must meet the approval of the Senate, which for most of that time was controlled by Democrats.”

“Ya gotta keep an eye on 'em.... They's sneaky l'il buggers!

Is there a wedge issue they haven't exploited yet?”

“The only Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican President with Republican Senate who votes anti-abortion is O'Connor.”

“That's one Justice Buddha Bear. One.”

“So abortion and gay marriage are not issues that the republicans use as a smokescreen to divert people from the fact that job losses are a huge issue, healthcare is much less affordable and the current administartion has put the county into a uncontrollable National Deficit?

Issues like gay marraige and abortion are al a huge smokescreen to divert America's attention away from the massive job losses, huge defecit, and unjust war that is the bulk of this administrations record.


Nice try, smart people go around the smoke, and vote for what is best for the country, much like in 2000. :)”

“Bison - The voting mostly follows along party lines in most intances.

This is why this election is so interesting. Who ever is elected, they might be appointing up to two Justices during their upcoming term.

All the more reason to vote!

BTW - "The only Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican President with Republican Senate who votes anti-abortion is O'Connor....."

When did she have the opp. to vote anit-abortion?”

“It’s not far fetched. Take a look at the Saudi royal family do you really think they want Israel to be destroyed? Not on your life. The Saudi royal family does not want Israel destroyed and they do not want peace, they want to keep the status quo. The Saudi royal family uses Israel and the Palestinians as a smoke screen. They can fan the flames and keep the Saudi people angry at the Israelis so the Saudi people don’t focus their anger on the royal family which is Taliban like, oppressive and brutal.

A couple of smoke screen issues from past elections are prayer in school and flag burning.”

“I'm sorry your world sucks so bad Buddha, I feel for you I really do. Out here where everyone has jobs (because we don't have a bunch of Union babies crying that factory closed down... waaaa....), The deficit as a percentage of GDP is by no means historic (oh I'm sorry that's the same for the whole country), People were able to create all of the jobs we have because they were able to take tax savings and reinvest (apparently some people don't get how that works.) Everything is sunny and nice.”

“Faith Based Diversions”

“What a second! On second thought, you mean to tell me that Scaila, Rhenquist and Thomas don't vote anit-abortion? Why did Bush 1 appoint Thomas then?”

“When did she have the opp. to vote anit-abortion?"
laqtis
10:27:35 PM
07/18/04

Sorry Laqtis I meant Pro-abortion.”

“They do vote anti-abortion Laqtis, Buddha is trying to say that Rep. President's don't want R v. W overturned so they appoint Justices who vote pro-abortion. I'm saying the problem with that is that only one Justice (O'Connor) appointed by a Rep. with a Rep. Senate, fits his conspiracy theory. Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas all make my point they were appointed by Reps. and do vote anti-abortion.”

“Goog, that Saudi scenario sounds WAY too familiar.... <G>”

“"They do vote anti-abortion Laqtis, Buddha is trying to say that Rep. President's don't want R v. W overturned so they appoint Justices who vote pro-abortion........"

dood - if your boy gets re-elected, he's going to appoint two justices to the Supreme Court that will be anti-abortion, because it's unlikely the two justices in question won't be able to hld out, due to health reasons and retirement. Those appointments will overturn R v W.

I know your mouth is watering right now....”

“Well I wouldn't say putting an end to decades of state sponsored genocide makes my mouth water. But it wouldn't make me unhappy.

So are you saying BB's wrong? That Bush actually will appoint people who will overturn R v. W? That he won't keep it as a "wedge" issue be appoint people who won't overturn?”

“"So are you saying BB's wrong? That Bush actually will appoint people who will overturn R v. W?...."


"Because Roe v. Wade is a massive smokescreen to insure that religious folk who are middle class vote for republicans. They string these folk along, and use the issue as a political chip so these people will forget they lost a job due to repiblican ideals, yet continue to vote for the misleaders on this particular issue...."

To me, and I might be off a little, but I don't see anything here where BB sez that GW will appoint anything. It looks like to me that he's saying that presently, you guys use this as rethoric to string people along.

until i see clarification on this, i'm standing by only what i've said, and will not comment on your question...”

“Read his whole post Laqtis, his argument is that Republicans have had the opportunity (which they haven't, as I have shown) to get R v. W overturned, but that they haven't done it because they would no longer have it as an issue to rile up the base (which is of course off the mark, because then the issue of presevering the pro-life position would serve to get the base to the polls, just as preserving the pro-abortion position gets the Dem base to the polls now).”

“I see what your saying. To be honest to ya, I need a momment where I'm not multi tasking right now (see other thread, I'm in commercial right now) to address this. I'm currently studying this situation in Poli Sci and I will get back to ya as soon as I can, I have info, with sources. It might be tomorrow, however, I'd be more than welcomed to discuss anything else at the momment that wouldn't require me to type one handed, look at my notes and deal with my situation on the phone.

I'm not blowing ya off. I'll see ya in a few.”

“Here we go:

Of the present Justices:

Republicans appointed everyone, save Ginsburg and Brayer.

Rehnquist - Nixon

Stevens - Ford

O'Connor - Reagan

Scaila - Reagan

Kennedy - Reagan

Souter - Bush 1

Thomas - Bush1

Ginsburg - Clinton

Breyer - Clinton

In Roe v wade, the Justices held that the right to privacy did indeed encompass the right to abortion (Keeping the Republic, Barbour & Wright, 2nd Ed). The Supreme Court did allow some state restrictions in 1977, like limiting the amount of Medicaid finding for abortions, and re-affirmed this in 1980 (Keeping the Republic, Barbour & Wright, 2nd Ed).

Now, Reagan and Bush 1 where staunch opponents to abortion, and worked hard to get it overturned. Reagan appointed only antiabortion opponents to Federal courts, and his admin was very active in pushing litigation that opposed abortion (Keeping the Republic, Barbour & Wright, 2nd Ed).

Back in the day, R v W was decided by a 7-2 vote. When Burger retired, Reagan elevated Rehnquist to Chief Justice, who was one of the two dissenters, and appointed Scalia in his place. Reagan’s appointments did turn the court down a more conversative path, but even then they could not overturn R v W. (Keeping the Republic, Barbour & Wright, 2nd Ed). The recognized organization, The Christian Right, organized as the Christian Collation in 1989, has been an active member in the Republican Party and has been a driving force to over turn R v W; however, since a majority of Americans support at least some form of abortion, the issue has been damaging to for the election fortunes of some Republicans. Heeding this, G. W. Bush 2 downplayed the issue in the 2000 Presidential run. So successfully, that some voters were unaware that he was no, in fact, pro-choice (Keeping the Republic, Barbour & Wright, 2nd Ed).”

“When it comes time to vote it all comes down to maybe two or three issues that cause a voter to vote for this guy or that guy. We look at the candidates and see where their personal moral views are and we pick the one that coincides with our own views the most. Abortion is one of these issues. It’s about what’s important to the individual. If people vote based on abortion because it is important to them then why is this any less important than the issues you may hold important?

What some see as a smoke screen just might be what they stand for.”

“reviewing what I wrote last night, bison, I remembered that I forgot to give my POV on what you asked above. I think giving the information, you're both right.”

“Whether it is a smokescreen or not- we are talking about a woman's choice- State-sponsored genocide is what keeps many poor women from becoming even more poor, and possibly more dependant on state-sponsored welfare. If many 3rd world contries had birth control and safe abortion available, they wouldn't be so poor. The reason that the US has such a higher standard of living is because more women are able to work, and have less children. Since this is really bad for the economy in the long run- the right wing and the greedy religious zealots to back them up will forbid all abortions and deteriorate women's rights eventually. If we could just move forward- and continue to have abortion RIGHTS, then we could just have the immigrants make up for the possible little fetuses consumer loss. Europe is also going through a low-baby consumer loss, but there population is farily saturated with immigrants too. Since our democracy is based on extreme consumerism- it is likely that a republican is more likely to ignore women's rights, while a progressive democrat will likely improve women's rights. Which is why I really don't understand republican women - at all. (a liberal, feminist, opinion)”

“some women vote repub. because god tells them to.

god also tells them that they should stay home and make more babies.”

“You don't understand women who don't think it's right to kill other people? I meet women like that all the time.”

“To me the debate was about the value of human life and determining when the needs and circumstances of one life outweighs the needs and circumstances of another life.”

“Could it be that conservative, Right wing women oppose abortion based on the what they see as a loss of a Christian/Catholic?”

“Roe v Wade is an extremely well written opinion. Those of you who have never read the opinion, should.”

“I agree, chili. That's prolly the only reason it's lasted this long.”

“Killing other people is what men who have been at a workplace for more than 5 years do to their co-workers. Check the statistics of mass murderers in the workplace. Abortion or even the day after pill kills a fetus. The anti-abortion crowd refuses to use that word because of its subtle connotations. Are you going to pay $100,000 of your hard-earned dollars to support this child? I thought not....... Unless the courts ordered it, and could prove paternity.”

“I'm all for vollentary population control.

Beats leaving them out and letting the "elements" get them (that's what USED to happen).”

“They talk religion, but they walk corporate.”

“Believing abortion is right or wrong is not the problem. Basing your vote on an issue the candidate has no control over is not really the wisest choice however. I know an old lady who never votes for somebody who believes in abortion. She hates Bush but feels trapped because she just can't vote for Kerry due to his stance on this issue. Come on. Bush isn't going to get rid of abortion. If it ever happens it will most likely be 100 years from now, if not more. We should worry about it then. I can't believe anybody feels G.W. is moral because he doesn't believe in abortion. He still believes in murder, even if it's not an unborn fetus. I bet if you scour through the wreckage of Iraq you can find at least 1 pregant women in the rubble. Bush...the baby killer, dun dun dun”

“spell check your posts”

“kind of hard to spell check a link”

“yeah, he even #&%!$ed that up”

“pitts, he didn't start the thread.”

“It's still a massive smokescreen”

“How can we know who started the thread? pitts has a point. Maybe it was started by a quantum fluctuation from USAs butt.”

“sarge=massive bottomless douchebag”

“Is that kind of like a WMD?”

“it's pretty easy to see who started the thread from where i'm sitting. you're slippin sarge.”

“Currently, there are 62 votes in the Senate and about 310 votes in the House to support federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

That means there are 15 to 20 Republican Senators and about 100 Republican House members who don't really believe that life begins at conception.

Republican judges keep "Roe vs. Wade" around because it gives them convenient cover. They don't have to vote on abortion and they can keep using it to punch the Democrats.

But, if it came down to a vote, abortion would be legal in most of the country even without Roe vs. Wade.”

“ductape - It was a joke from another thread. Get a life.”

“I think abortion is pretty much a non issue any more. Otherwise we'd see some kind of action on either side.”

“so I just did a random search and choose for my post.

it is not necessarily related to in any way shape or form the posts above, which I have not read since the original thread was posted.


With that disclaimer. Check this out.
Bodies of fetuses, newborns clog Harare's sewers
Zimbabwe's shortages, inflation blamed for rise in illegal abortions

Friday, February 17, 2006; Posted: 11:35 a.m. EST (16:35 GMT)



HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) -- The corpses of at least 20 newborn babies and fetuses are found each week in the sewers of Zimbabwe's capital, some having been flushed down toilets, Harare city authorities said, according to state media Friday.

Town Clerk Nomutsa Chideya said the babies' remains were found among a wide variety of waste and garbage cleared by city council workers unblocking sewers and drains in Harare.

"Apart from upsetting the normal flow of waste, it is not right from a moral standpoint. Some of the things that are happening now are shocking," the state Herald, a government mouthpiece, reported Chideya as saying.
[emphasis mine]


And yet we (bush) continue to hold the line on Federal Aid to countries in Africa being used for family planning and contraception purposes. Let alone for abortions.


Yup. Let's let our moralistic christain values get in the way of the practical realities of life and death in these countries. By all means, lets impose our narrow view instead of dealing with the situation on the ground.

These folks are flushing newborns down the sewer and we are worried about the morality of providing family planning advice (and abortions if need be) with our federal aid dollars.

Yup. Let's just saddle up, go over and preach abstinence.”

“Praytell, just what is a Conservatrive, hmmm?”

“kinda 'contrived' i would think........”

“Dr. laura. A fun troll.


Pose for any nude pictures recently??? Get any new Ph D.'s in basketweaving??”