Bush: Best President.. EVER

“That's enough to go invade another country as a real and present threat to the US then Bison?”

“Geeez as soon as you start postin' the truth they run for the hills. I've become convinced that the liberals believe that if they lie long enough and forcefully enough they can get people to believe that it's the President who's been lying.”

“Mutt, I'm not ignorant of geo-politics, I just don't share your imperialist fantasies.”

“Yes, mark, you are ignorant. I haven't seen you give an objective analysis of the situation. Don't insult my intelligence by pretending otherwise.

Oh, and this is neo imperialism. Unlike imperiums of yore, the U.S. gives the country back to its people.”

“Who said real and present threat Y2? Oh it was the liberals who said that, not Bush. Bush made his case and made it well,

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late."

Bush said that we CANNOT WAIT for the threat TO BECOME imminent.”

“I've become convinced that the liberals believe that if they lie long enough and forcefully enough they can get people to believe that it's the President who's been lying.

Tilt is proof enough of that, eh? He seems to have enthralled MarkO at any rate....”

“The fact that the President lied is debateable. I think the administration was careful in what it said. But they certainly overplayed the hand the were dealt to sell a war they'd already decided was going to happen. They decided the American people would only support the war if they thought there was a real danger to America, which it doesn't appear, in the case of Iraq, that there was. It seems Saddam was pretty well boxed in.”

“You're in fantasy land, Mutt.”

“Very politely put, ymani.”

“Mark, give it up. I study geopolitics. You don't.”

“Rumsfeld
News conference, 12 March 2003:
He claims to have no chemical or biological weapons, yet we know he continues to hide biological and chemical weapons, moving them to different locations as often as every 12 to 24 hours, and placing them in residential neighbourhoods.”

“Mutt, you should get a job with the junta, what with all your "studies".”

“Extract from speech
Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints”

“If that's not portaying the threat as immediate I don't know what is.”

“I accept your surrender, Mark. Now apologize! :-P”

“Psssssttttt.....(they were blowin' smoke up our arses)”

“You neocons can spout your mantra all you want, the 9/11 commission did not, repeat not, support Bush's contention that Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda. There were contacts, repeat contacts, but apparently nothing came of them.

I can read too.

And for the record Bison, I am not, repeat not, a liberal. Get that through your head. Not everybody who disagrees with Bush on this trumped-up war to avenge Daddy is a liberal. I happen to have voted for the SOB, but that will not be a mistake I will repeat, guarandamn-teed.

So, there were no WMD, there were no "ties," there was no reason to invade Iraq.

But there might have been a "reason" to invade Iran, given Bush's prediliction for bandying about "ties" to Al Qaeda.

For crying out loud, stop revising history!”

“"9/11 commission did not, repeat not, support Bush's contention that Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda."

Try reading the report Geobeet, some people might assume that you had before you made that statement and would have branded you a liar.

Or did you just miss it, convienently, when Lee Hamilton (A Democrat on the commission) said that there was essentially no difference in the commission's position and the administration's.”

“you're being v selective in what you are quoting Bison. The links were tenous at best.”

“Here's the statement made by Kean and Hamilton, verbatim.

"Statement by
Thomas H. Kean, Chair, and Lee H. Hamilton, Vice Chair
of the 9-11 Commission
July 6, 2004 — After examining available transcripts of the Vice President’s public
remarks, the 9-11 Commission believes it has access to the same information the
Vice President has seen regarding contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq prior to the 9-11
attacks."

The word they used is the same word I used, Bison, ... contacts.

Contacts are not ties. The administration, prior to the invasion, made it sound as though Saddam was involved in facilitating the 9/11 attacks. I know that is a long time ago, but that's what was presented to the American people as a reason for invading, along with the non-existent WMDs.

The administration is weasling its way out of the mess it got us into with exercises in semantics.”

“BTW campers, the Commission's final report is due out tomorrow, so anybody who claims to have read it already breached security.”

“"The administration, prior to the invasion, made it sound as though Saddam was involved in facilitating the 9/11 attacks."

Now that is a bald-faced lie.(period) the President said again, and again, and again, That there was not relationship WHEN IT CAME TO 9/11.”

“"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th,"

Bush

That's one of about a hundred similiar quotes.”

“The perception gained by a large percentage of americans that Iraq was involved in 9/11 was obviously put across by the liberal media then.... maybe...”

“It came across in the confusion of EVERYONE about how the attacks had come to pass.”

“The VP on the other hand made that correlation and still makes that correlation quite often.”

“""The VP on the other hand made that correlation and still makes that correlation quite often."


You have a quote? I've never seen one.”

“Solid granite between the ears.... That's appropriate, LOL”

“Bush belongs on Mt. Rushmore hanging by his balls.”

“Easy there USA.......no threats, please!”

“Bison, the alleged correlation between Iraq and Al Qaeda as a reason for invading Iraq is such common knowledge that to deny it makes your statements laughable.

Calling me a liar when presented with evidence of the facts means one of two things: either you're a lousy reader or an excellent bull#&%!$ter.

But if you want to go on living in your little bubble, be my guest.”

“"Bison, the alleged correlation between Iraq and Al Qaeda as a reason for invading Iraq is such common knowledge that to deny it makes your statements laughable."

Geobeet
08:13:48 AM
07/22/04

You're lack of interest in the English lanquage astounds me. If you hear the President say that Iraq had no direct link to 9/11 time after time, and you decide that he is saying that there was a link, then it's your own stupidity that is to blame for that, not the President.”

“Saddam Hussein's Support for International Terrorism

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Iraq is one of seven countries that have been designated by the Secretary of State as state sponsors of international terrorism. UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions.



In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.



Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.



Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.



Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.



In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."



Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.”

“President: Iraqi Regime Danger to America is "Grave and Growing"
Radio Address by the President to the Nation



THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. This week leaders of the Congress agreed on a strong bipartisan resolution authorizing the use of force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein and to defend the peace. Now both the House and the Senate will have an important debate and an historic vote. Speaker Hastert and Leader Gephardt and Leader Lott did tremendous work in building bipartisan support on this vital issue.

The danger to America from the Iraqi regime is grave and growing. The regime is guilty of beginning two wars. It has a horrible history of striking without warning. In defiance of pledges to the United Nations, Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. Saddam Hussein has used these weapons of death against innocent Iraqi people, and we have every reason to believe he will use them again.

Iraq has longstanding ties to terrorist groups, which are capable of and willing to deliver weapons of mass death. And Iraq is ruled by perhaps the world's most brutal dictator who has already committed genocide with chemical weapons, ordered the torture of children, and instituted the systematic rape of the wives and daughters of his political opponents.

We cannot leave the future of peace and the security of America in the hands of this cruel and dangerous man. This dictator must be disarmed. And all the United Nations resolutions against his brutality and support for terrorism must be enforced.”

“And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups. Over the years, Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than 90 terrorist attacks in 20 countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans. Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger. And we know that Iraq is continuing to finance terror and gives assistance to groups that use terrorism to undermine Middle East peace.

We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.

Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.

Some have argued that confronting the threat from Iraq could detract from the war against terror. To the contrary; confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror. When I spoke to Congress more than a year ago, I said that those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction. And he cannot be trusted. The risk is simply too great that he will use them, or provide them to a terror network.”

“that's all very interesting Geo, are you trying to defend yourself with those quotes... Must not be, there's no mention of Al Qaeda or 9/11.”

“Ok the last one you posted mentions 9/11, but still no mention of Iraqi involvement, try harder.”

“The statement I made that you attacked was this: ""The administration, prior to the invasion, made it sound as though Saddam was involved in facilitating the 9/11 attacks."

Sound as though is the operative phrase, Bison. I did not say that the president said there was that link, but there was that inference and many others picked up on the same inference. Try harder to understand what you read.”

“You're lack of interest in the English lanquage astounds me.

I understand enough about the English language to understand that language is not spelled with a q and you're is a contraction meaning, you are.

Peace brother, I'm out of here. Argue with yourself awhile. Or go to the White House website and read up on what your hero actually said.”

“Geo - you might have an argument if the President had not consistently made it clear time and again that there was no evidence of any direct involvement, but he did say that time and again, and again, and again.”

“From the Oct 7 speech cited above:

"We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America."

That's what the president said. I quoted him directly. The speech is on the White House website. Keep denying he said it. I love it.”

“I don't deny he said that Geo - I'm waiting to see where it says that there was a direct Iraqi involvement in 9/11.”

“I explained that about five posts ago. Did you read it? I'm tired of jawing with somebody who argues points that have already been addressed.”

“Does the 911 report deal with whether the terrorists knew that they could bring the towers down?

I've always wondered whether that was just plain luck.

I also think that the original invasion of Afghanistan was one of Bush's successes. He did a good job with that.

But why hasn't Bush been able to get thousands of German, French and Spanish troops into Afghanistan so we can send ours to Iraq?

And why haven't we been funneling actual money into Afghanistan? Why haven't they had elections yet?

Finally, what does everyone think about Libya? They are apparently still involved with covert assassination attempts abroad. Quaddafi has been as much a dictator as anyone. And yet it has a lot of oil. Bush/Blair have been making nice with the guy.

If I were president, I'd drill in ANWR and the Gulf of Mexico. I'd make nice with Libya and Venezuela. I'd make it possible to build new nuke plants and I'd make big incentives for diesel cars and public transportation.

I would do ANYTHING to lessen our dependence on Saudi oil.”

“Geo you haven't adequately addressed your point, I take it that you are saying that the quotes that you are posting show that Bush drew a direct correlation between Iraq and 9/11. It does not. You cannot take one set of quotes and put them in a vacuum and ignore what else was said at the time. Bush made it very clear that there was no link to 9/11. He did that because he knew that some idiots out there might take the fact that there were links between Iraq and Al Qaeda and think that that means that there was a direct link to 9/11, of course it does not mean that, and he made that very clear.”