Tc4 attendance

“Well, who is right? Both Tilt and TD say it's the one way and you're saying it's the other, NS. HEY!! Do I need to make all you guys sit in the corner and go make a phone call??!?

lol”

“Well, let's see. I rode the shuttle. Towndawg hiked up, and I believe that Tilt hiked up, too. Towndawg is loyal to TN and thinks that it is the world. Tilt lives in darkness, worshiping the stars.

On the other side, I do make mistakes sometimes, like trying to visit simer190 instead of you. But I get out more. Also, I have tremendous recall. If only I could control what gets recalled.

LOL.”

“;-P LOL!”

“Grrrr.. well -- who knows.. maybe I'm wrong.. but once I looked at the map -- I see where the confusion lies.

Cumberland Gap Tennessee. Shuttle route would drive out Hwy 58E.. Within a few minutes of departure, you appear to be in Virginia actually. The area borders TN/KY and VA..

The state park appears to be in KY.. Martins Fork appears to be in KY.. but in order to get there.. the road along Hwy 58E appears to be in VA.

Tilt was comparing the 'road up from the TN side. So he's comparing Chadwell Gap TH to Shihalah Creek TH.

Yes -- the distinction is that Chadwell Gap does come up from the Tennessee side.. (Cumberland Gap, TN) but.. it appears to be really in VA. (The closest town appears to be Caylor, VA).

The Shililah Creek road comes from the Kentucky side, (Hwy 217, east of Hutch KY)

Make more sense now?”

“"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you."
Carl Jung”

“The state park appears to be in KY..

I need to clarify that also. The public park (picnic ground, campground) appears to be in KY -- but it clearly straddles KY/VA... with the SW edge of it in TN?

Maybe now I got it?”

“Everyone needs to make that shuttle run at least once.

Nothing like looking out the window of a 15 passenger van and seeing 150 drop off about 6 inches from the tires.”

“

The public park (picnic ground, campground) appears to be in KY -- but it clearly straddles KY/VA... with the SW edge of it in TN?

Maybe now I got it?"
TownDawg

NO! Not according to the Park Service Map, for which you provided a link.

The KY-VA border runs along near the center of the Park. Just north of the tunnel, and running SW, it is the KY-TN border, after the tri-state intersection. Most of the park is in KY and VA. Only a section from the town going SW is in TN.

The TN-VA line runs east from the tri-state junction. It passes on the north edge of the town, Cumberland Gap, and just south of the Iron Furnace.

About 0.1 mile out of the town, 58 crosses from TN into VA, and stays there as it goes east and slightly north. 58 runs south of the picnic ground and campground, which are clearly in VA.

The shuttle on which I rode traveled on 988 and then 217. I'm not sure if it entered the Park before or after route 987.”

“chili sent me some photos of the jeep recon trip last year. It was amazing to see a jeep on those types of angles, side to side. When I saw them I knew that if I got to go to TC3, that I'd walk. If it was possible for me to go this year, I'd walk.”

“

"Everyone needs to make that shuttle run at least once."
chili36

Chili36 is right. It really was interesting on the downhill run, when the driver locked the brakes and said, "Oops," as the vehicle slid into a hairpin turn.”

“TownDawg - After rereading your post, yes, you do have it! Including the reference to the "(picnic ground, campground)" confused my simple mind and misled me.”

“Let's put it this way.


The shuttle driver didn't waste any time making the trip.”

“Yeah, I was gonna say.... it could've been Viginia, LOL

The Wilderness Road campground just to the east is in VA, if I recall.


There's this big honking east-west ridge, ya see... and they thought they might as well draw the boundry line rat there. Where to draw the VA state line was a little more free form, I think.

A search on "Kantuckee" produces
many references to Angus Young....”

“Great, tilt! And a search on "Angus Young" will get you to nude photo's! You look, I don't dare. Tain't my cup of tea.”

“"In 1775 Richard Henderson purchased from the Cherokee Indians many thousands square miles of land in Kentucky and attempted to organize a separate state under the name of.... Transylvania??

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08620b.htm




April, 1974:
Angus wears his school uniform for the first time at his sister’s suggestion at a concert in Sydney's Victoria Park. The band adopts a flashy image to differentiate itself from the rest of Sydney’s bands. Angus adopts this legendary outfit, sometimes switching it for a Gorilla, Zorro or Super-Ang suit.

http://w1.111.telia.com/~u11102242/+rr_history.htm”

“HEY YOUSE GUYS! I've got the solution. It's either from the NORTH side of the park or from the SOUTH side of the park.

And OK, I think you've got me wondering about the 4WD. Hey somebody, compare it to the Rampart Range Road as you leave Garden of the Gods, Colorado Springs!!! I drove that! (probaby a "2" on the 4WD scale. LOL!)

Course, I would NEVER EVER drive Elephant Hill in Canyonlands!!!”

“Ok I was on the shuttle also and It started at the Cumberland Gap Nat'l Park just outside on Middlesboro Ky. and headed northeast past the overlook parking area and then up some winding road, but all in KY. We were dropped off just west of Hensley, still in KY. Hensley is just on the KY side of the KY/VA state line. As you hike north on the state line you literally have one foot in KY and the other in VA.”

“....And I don't mean the "jelly" kind either....LOL”

“I still remember Trekker John telling his story about the trip and his wife.... Very hilarious!”

“ok ok ill go but only if tango will rub on my chest like she did at ithaca...”

“haha that was hysterical.

u have to go, shep. it's not that far from u.”

“well sounds like you better do some talkin to tango...after all it felt quite nice...although twas a bit brief”

“Yeah, seriously Shep. Scorch and I are driving all the way from Philadelphia -- you can't not go...”

“liz your not 4wd driving in...and we know you don't hike...so see you next year...LMAO”

“phhhhhhhhhhht!!!! LOL!”

“babe are you still up?”

“You mean I will FINALLY get to meet Scorchy??????

Going to be an awesome trip.....”

“YES!!!”

“ok so here is the stats...

Starting from: Atlanta, GA 30350

Arriving at: Cumberland Gap, TN

Distance: 305.9 miles

Approximate Travel Time: 6 hours 21 mins”

“Starting from Warminster, PA

Arriving to Cumberland Gap, TN

Total Est. Time: 11 hours, 6 minutes

Total Est. Distance: 657.96 miles”

“Starting from: west Tennessee

Arriving at: Cumberland Gap, TN

Distance: 342.5 miles

Approximate Travel Time: 7 hours 7 mins.

** And don't forget what Barb posted the other day.. if you are competing.. please fill out your entry form, and send it in..

Entry Form

Apparently they are doing some sort of promo board with everybody's TrailName's, and some interesting tidbit about the competitor..”

“Now that you can get crab and other seafood in a foil pouch -- why stop at spaghetti?

Crabcakes. Courtbouillon. Clam Chowder. Anything you can imagine -- it's possible.

You don't believe? Come see for yourself. Titanium Chef Backcountry Cookoff. You've seen the recipes that Prosecutor posts -- now come taste for yourself. At least fifty (and still counting) of the best cooks you'll ever find in the woods -- all competing for prizes and enjoying the fun.

See if you measure up Entry Form

Just come for the fun: http://www.heritagetrailsfest.com "> Heritage Trails Fest”

“One curious question, how is everyone going to camp at Martin's Fork? Is there enough space for a tent city? We fit fine last year, but if the number doubles, things could get tight.”

“we can all spoon...it'll be just like that time at summer camp....errr nevermind”

“This one time at band camp...”

“*laughs *

I think we should raffle off a chance at the cabin!”

“or maybe just play the game like when we were in junior high...

7 minutes in heaven.. we could use the cabin for the 'closet'”

“I thought there was plenty of room last year... wasn't there??


anyway, I most likely will be there. Doubt though that I bring the kids this time. Not sure though, it depends on them.”

“Martin's could hold about twice as many tents as we had there if we squeeze them in.”

“Yeah - it seemed like a big space last year. I think it would be fine. Might not have as much personal space in the meadow, but there were plenty of places in the woods still...

I don't think the park service would issue a permit there for 100 people if the area couldn't support it.”

“Go back and look at the pics, there was plenty of open space left over. I personally will use 2 trees to swing from. I probably will have to come in late on Friday or very early on Saturday. Only one Vacation day left. And I will galdly use it for this trip.”

“Anyone want to car pool??....I sure hate to go alone!!!...I can talk and keep you awake!!!”

“Divinity, you can car pool with us. Just meet us in Mokena, Illinois Friday morning, very early, and we can all drive down together.”

“Starting from Plainsboro, NJ, and heading 40 minutes / 30 miles to Warminster, PA.

From Warminster, PA, heading 11:06 hours / 657.96 miles to Cumberland Gap, TN.

(Don't ya love carpools?) C Ya there!”

“yea, love carpools. who's driving from my house, PS? ; )”

“LOL..Thanks Prosecutor.....but Ill is a little out of my way!!!!!

But I get off work Thursday at 1pm.....Maybe I could drive an extra 300 miles or so...

LOL>.hahahaha”

“

Anyone want to car pool??....I sure hate to go alone!!!...I can talk and keep you awake!!!"
divinity

Oh brother! Sounds more like divinity wants a ride! So I help her out and in return I have to listen to her yapping all the way, probably reading to me from "1.000 Jokes For Every Occassion," or a knock, knock book. Now, if she had offered to keep me awake by rubbing the back of my neck or my back, this could be more intriguing.

BTW, divinity, I'm planning to leave this Tuesday. There's a few trails between here and Martin's Gap. Don't want to miss any. Are you game?”

“Martin's Fork”

“I have to work and I am going to Ohio for Labor Day...man this work thig really gets in the way!!!!!

and.... I am perfectly capable of driving to Cumberland Gap.....I prefere company...and most times I am pretty good company....ask Karo.....”