“I hear about Kerry being for the working man. Decrying the excesses of corporate greed, downsizing and the biggy here in the midwest (especially ohio,mi,ind) outsourcing jobs over seas. I got to thinking about JKerry and his families business, ketchup. I went to the Heinz website and began to peruse. And low and behold I made a shocking discovery. My faith in Kerry's love for the working man in America was shaken. I saw where Heinz had factories. I knew the US had some but was amazed to see that instead of keeping the work in the US to support our economy and keep high paying factory jobs in the US many were overseas.

here is a list per the Heinz website...

Germany
Belgium
Netherlands
Poland
Greece
Italy
Portugal
Spain
France
Ireland
England
Russia
Egypt
Israel
Australia
New Zealand
S. Korea
Japan
China
Thailand
Singapore
India
Indonesia
Phillipines
Hong Kong
Canada
Costa Rica
Venezuala
S. Africa
Botswana
Zimbabwe

Anyway, I wonder if while chilling poolside or on his yacht or at the country club or vacactioning at one of the families numerous estates does Kerry harp on his wife about excessive corporate profits and sending jobs overseas.Or is he just a hypocrite. I bet he's just a hypocrite.”

“Anything to suggest that any of these overseas factories make ketchup for the US market?”

“Ah, birch. Just how much stock does Kerry won in Heinz?”

“sorry, that should read - own..”

“From snopes.com

Claim: Senator John Kerry's wife owns Heinz, a company that outsources much of its work abroad.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet 2004]


Kerry does not like off shore companies: Oh Really? Just came across a bit of information regarding Kerry and his claim of the Bush administration sending jobs abroad. Well, it seems that the Heinz Corporation, owned by Kerry's wife, has 79 plants where it manufacturers products and 57 of the 79 are located in countries outside of the U.S. How many U.S. jobs are lost here?

Factories located at: Taipei, Taiwan (makes Heinz baby foods) Dublin, Ireland; Paris, France; Dovarmenez, France; Lisbon, Portugal; Madrid, Spain; Milan, Italy; Monguzzo, Italy; Athens, Greece; Warsaw, Poland; Pudliszki, Poland; Wodzislaw, Poland; Miedzychod, Poland; Moscow, Russia; Georgievisk, Russia; Cairo, Egypt; Tel Aviv, Israel; Haifa, Isreal; Elst, The Netherlands and 6 other plants there; Brussels, Belgium; Dusseldorf, Germany; Seesen, Germany; Turnhout, Belgium; Rovereto, Italy; Chateaurenand, France; North York, Ontario, Canada; Wheatley, Ontario, Canada; Caracas,Venezuela; San Jose, Costa Rica; Johannesburg, South Africa; Gaborone, Botswana; Harare, Zimbabwe; Cheguta, Zimbabwe; Wellington, South Africa; Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; Republic of Singapore; Auckland, New Zealand; Tokyo, Japan; Guangzhov, People's Republic of China (makes infant cereal); Qingdao, People's Republic of China (makes infant foods, ketchup, mayonnaise & puree); Inchon, South Korea (makes Heinz products and StarKist); Bangkok, Thailand; Mumbai, India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Surabaya, Indonesia; Manila, Philippines; Wanchai, Hong Kong.

Also recently purchased from Bordens these products: Classico Pasta Sauce; Aunt Millies Pasta Sauce; Mrs. Grass Receipt Soups; Wylers Bouillons & Soups.

Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns business interests in all of these countries and others. Pass it on!!!!



Origins: In
1995, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts wed Teresa Heinz, whom he first met at an Earth Day rally in 1990. Born Teresa Simões-Ferreira in Mozambique to Portuguese parents, Mrs. Kerry was previously married for 25 years to Henry John Heinz III, who was a member of the founding family of the H.J. Heinz Company and represented Pennsylvania for twenty years in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate prior to his death in a plane crash in 1991. Mrs. Kerry inherited a Heinz family fortune estimated at over $500 million.

Although Senator Kerry has been critical of the Bush administration for rewarding "Benedict Arnold CEOs" who move "profits and jobs overseas," the above-quoted attempt to link Kerry (through his wife) with the very outsourcing he decries is flawed in two major ways. First off, Teresa Heinz Kerry does not "own the Heinz Corporation" — she has no involvement whatsoever with the management or operations of the H.J. Heinz Company, nor does she own anything close to a controlling interest of the company's stock. According to Heinz itself, the Heinz family trust which Mrs. Kerry inherited sold most of its shares of Heinz stock back in 1995 and currently holds less than a 4% interest in the company:

Neither Mrs. Heinz Kerry nor Senator Kerry nor any of the Heinz trusts or endowments — either individually or collectively — holds a significant percentage of shares of the H.J. Heinz Company. In 1995 the Heinz Endowments and family trusts sold a large percentage of Heinz shares in a secondary share offering to diversify their holdings. As a result, their current holdings are under 4 percent.

There is no connection between any philanthropic programs of the H.J. Heinz Company and its Foundation and the Heinz family interests (including the Howard Heinz Endowment, the Vira Heinz Endowment, and the Heinz Family Philanthropies).
(A 4% stake in a company as large as Heinz still represents a considerable amount of money, but it isn't nearly large enough a share to give the holder any significant control or influence over the company's business decisions.)

Moreover, the Heinz Company's operations are not an example of the type of outsourcing that is currently a hot political issue (i.e., sending out work to offshore companies to provide services which a company might otherwise have employed its own staff to perform). Heinz is a U.S.-based global business which sells its products in dozens of other countries, and like other food companies it has to localize some of its production at factories located in its foreign market areas. (It makes little sense from either an economic or a freshness standpoint to be shipping fruits and vegetables and/or finished food products halfway around the world rather than producing them locally.) One wouldn't expect, for example, every can and bottle of Coca-Cola sold anywhere in the world — whether it be Australia, China, or Portugal — to be produced by U.S. bottlers.)

As the H.J. Heinz Company notes, well over half its sales come from foreign markets, and it therefore operates overseas facilities to serve those markets:

Currently, 60% of the sales of the H.J. Heinz Company are outside the United States and to accommodate those customers by providing facilities closer to those markets, the company maintains a number of overseas facilities that provide products for consumers in those markets. This allows Heinz to pack the freshest ingredients, tailor its recipes to local tastes and deliver the finished products in a timely and efficient manner. In the United States, Heinz makes its flagship ketchup in factories in Fremont, Ohio; Muscatine, Iowa; and Stockton, California.
Last updated: 30 March 2004


seeing as snopes has been concidered creditble in the past on this board, I will still files it under "For what it's worth"...”

“I heard that she was the former wife, due to death, of a Heinz heir, but she actually has/had nothing to do with the Heinz Ketchup company herself.

And now is even further removed from anything to do with the ketchup.”

“Ketchup has natural mellowing agents that make you feel like you're full of endorphins even if you're not.”

“Ped, I dont know.

Q, if you would have gone to the heinz website and not snopes you would have read the list I posted. Unless Heinz is playing a practical joke on itself, the list I posted is FACT and snopes is full of it. You chose.”

“Q, here is a list of pacific rim and asian countries with heinz factories.”

“here is a list from the americas ”

“ more still

And Ped yes some of the factories outside the US re-import their ketchup. The proof is the bottle of Heinz Ketchup in my fridge that says "product of Canada". And Canada isnt part of the US......yet.”

“ the grand finale

Q, I reckon snope was "snoped" and that John Kerry is a corporate lackey like cheney and others.”

“birch - I see the list that you have provided; however, it only differs from the list that snopes provided in that the list you provided is prolly a little longer. I didn't do a count, but let's just say that it is for chits and giggles.

My understanding of your post was that you were trying to point out Kerry for being a hyprocrite. Well, if his wife owning only 4% of the Heinz company is conciderd being a hyprocrite, well, it
is a stretch, but techincally you are correct.

Question is John Kerry in the position to change that? Well, again according to snopes, he doesn't own anything and I'm sorry, but listing the massive amounts of countries they do business in doesn't respresent a business tie to the man, if the man doesn't own stock in the company. We could argue that what's hers is his (depending on a pre-nup, but we'll say that it is), but even so, she/they do not have a controling interest that your source alludes. Maybe once he becomes President, he might e able to bring some of those jobs back home, but again as you point out, The Heinz company looks lke it does invest pretty well at home, so I don't know if it would be needed.

Early on, I think that the main agrument for *globalizaztion*, is when a company closes *all*, or *most* of its operations and moves off shore. IMHO, this is not the case with Heinz, but I'm not a Wall Street kind of guy to know what the guildlines are here.

Please provide us with any other information that you come up with. Again, the point is not how many countries they do business with, but that Kerry holds a controling interest in a company that does business mainly over seas. I'd lke to keep up on anything along these lines.

Finally, the unfortuate part in all of this, is that no matter who runs for Gubment nowadays, you'r always going to get someone who has some sort of investment (Heinz, Oil, Haliburton) that will make a conidate look *bad*. What the bad side? Well, if they didn't they might be concidered *unAmerican* for not being involved in Capitalism, which is what makes American go 'round.”

“Hmmmm. According to the company history there hasn't been someone named Heinz in the CEO slot since 1966.

And there's on one on the board by that name (or in upper management, for that matter). It makes me wonder how many years may have elapsed since anyone in the family had any control over company operations... maybe decades.”

“She Was A Wife............Not A Business Partner
"I heard that she was the former wife, due to death, of a Heinz heir, but she actually has/had nothing to do with the Heinz Ketchup company herself.

And now is even further removed from anything to do with the ketchup."
Buddur
11:07:18 PM
07/23/04


She has NOTHING to do with the ketchup company, y'all.

NOTHING!

”

“Well, tilt, in all fairness, and I apologise for the quikness of this post, as I'm out the door to canvass, but is there a link you could provide that would give us some insight on the assests that these two canidates have? I know that they have to submit documentation when they run, if Kery, or anyone else for that matter truly does own a contrling interest, it would be listed in the diclosure.

Thank you in advance.”

“birch...face it...only rich guys run for president.

Roosevelt was a rich guy and yet he was still able to stand for the common person.

So the Kerry's wife makes money selling ketchup to foreigners.
OK.

Kinda like Bush's grandfather selling war materials to the
Nazis huh.

or the Bush's dealings with the
Saudis.

I'll take Kerry.....he's only got ketchup on his hands.”

“More bumpersticker wisdom from our resident red doper diaper baby Jo. LOL!”

“I wouldn’t call him forked tongue but I would go out on a limb and call him a phucking liar with no moral compass.

I was a war hero…I killed old men, women and children including a baby and burned villages to the ground…I threw my metals…I didn’t throw my metals…I threw them but they weren’t mine…OK, they were mine but they were ribbons…I have 5 SUVs…No I don’t, my family has them…I voted FOR the $87 billion…but that was BEFORE I voted AGAINST it…Now is not the time for on-the-job training and I don’t know if John Edwards wasn’t in diapers when I came home from Vietnam…I choose John Edwards as my running mate!”

“Jo, I know that only rich guys run for pres. And I actually have no problem with owning interests overseas. I just find Kerrys stance a touch hypocritical. And Kerry voted for bush's war, his hands are no cleaner.


Buddur, Kerrys wife is the heir to the Heinz fortune, its fact man.

"but even so, she/they do not have a controling interest that your source alludes"...Q, my only source is www.heinz.com. I just quoted their info.

"The Heinz company looks lke it does invest pretty well at home, so I don't know if it would be needed." Q, so does FORD and GM but when gthey leave its Bush fault or evil corporate greed or union busting, cant have it both ways.

Q, I never said Kerry has a controlling interest in anything. I made it clear that he benefits from outsourcing. To claim otherwise would mean that he NEVER visits her country homes, plays on her yachts, eats food she buys and benfits form her estate,that is just hogwash.

I am sure you would grant GW's wife the same latitude if she ran for office. Yep, she's not into oil thats her hubbies deal. RIGHT!”

““And Kerry voted for bush's war, his hands are no cleaner.”

Let’s be a bit more specific here birch. Kerry voted to send the troops there but then voted AGAINST the bill that would provide them the things they would need to fight, win and stay alive. I know it sounds like a commercial…”

“I belive that the estate the kerry married into is worth $500million. Even with the prenup that his wife has admitted too big John is living large, just like the common man he represents.

As an aside does anyone recall the song that was the theme song for Edwards campaign? It was CCR "fortunate son". Since being picked by Kerry the song has been dropped due to the line "some folks are born silver spoon in hand" it was seen as being critical of Kerrys lifestyle. Source, On the Media National Public Radio.

I love the excuses and rationalizations!!!”

“Buddur, Kerrys wife is the heir to the Heinz fortune, its fact man.
birch
08:05:13 AM
07/24/04


What part of my post didn't you understand? She WAS the wife of a Heinz heir and has his money now. However, she was NEVER part of the business aside from being the doods wife, and NEVER had any say in his or the company's dealings. The dood has been DEAD for a long time and now she is married to Kerry.

She has NOTHING to do with the ketchup company other than being married to one of the heirs. How hard is that to understand?”

“Teresa Heinz is Chairman of the Heinz Family Philanthropies and The Heinz Endowments. She is also the creator of the prestigious Heinz Awards, an annual program recognizing outstanding vision and achievement in the arts, public policy, technology, the economy, and employment, the environment, and the human condition.

After the death (airplane crash) of her husband, U.S. Senator John Heinz, in 1991...

Y'all kin'of make her out to be some chick who married into a rich family, but has anyone ever read of her background, credentials and what she's done with the money for the good of humanity? Prolly not, for all most know she's just some wife of a presidential runningmate who was married into money in her former marriage. Well, I guess if that's all you can see, then so be it.

And Nigal, corect me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Kerry voted against the bill to aid in troops because he didn't want them to have the support. It was *where the money was coming from* is what he objected to. And to vote against the bill or have the bill voted out certainly didn't mean the troops didn't get the money...just from other sources.

I'd like to know why Bush sent our troops into battle underarmored, and underpaid in the first place?”

“Once again --- Reality cannot be allowed to intrude into the mind of a Dubya fanatic.

It's pretty bizarre that they're screaming about KETCHUP when there's the 10-ton elephant in the corner:

Where are those pesky WMD?

YA KNOW --- Back when I was studying History, they didn't call it 'pre-emptive war' or some other such bull#&%!$, they called it 'aggression' (and that was the most polite term they used -- you know the others).”

“At this stage in the game I'm just about willing to give ANYONE ELSE the benefit of the doubt in order to get the current lying, fear-mongering, dumbass outta office...”

“"Q, I never said Kerry has a controlling interest in anything. I made it clear that he benefits from outsourcing. To claim otherwise would mean that he NEVER visits her country homes, plays on her yachts, eats food she buys and benfits form her estate,that is just hogwash......"

"My understanding of your post was that you were trying to point out Kerry for being a hyprocrite. Well, if his wife owning only 4% of the Heinz company is conciderd being a hyprocrite, well, it
is a stretch, but techincally you are correct....."


I don't see where I disagreed with you. Honestly, who are we to know exactly what he does, when and where? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Frankly I really don't care if he visits anything of hers, or that she benifits from him wacking off on her.

I guess I was asking were you were coming from, no more, no less. I thought you were going in the direction of "well, look at all of these countries, if must be benifiting". That's all I was trying to clear up, I apologise if I wasn't clear enough on that.

If you want to paint Kerry as a hyprocrite, tear it up. You'd have a lot of ammo on anyone that holds office. By this if this means I am now a hyprocrite, that's fine too. I've made a choice not to get into this kind of stuff anymore. It's a waste of my free time arguing with the respective bases on both sides of the aisle.”

“Whoa! Sorry birch, I didn't mean to sound so "in your face" with one of my last posts.

Carry on, everyone!”

“I'll second that, buddur.

The last thing I would want to do is seem like I was attacking here, because that was not my intention.

I know I have a rep for laying people out and it's something that works against me, I guess.

FWIW - I'm not trying to be like that anymore, FYI.”

“Who is a liar, Nigal??? If that is the basis on which you choose a presidential candidate, you sure as heck can't vote for GW in good conscience. It's good to see that you are trying to bring integrity back into the equation.”

“FDR “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself”

GWB “We have nothing but fear””

“I understand Teresa Heinz Kerry is very popular and well liked in western Pennsylvania especially Pittsburgh where she is from. Over the years she has been involved with many things to help the people of the area. This could help Kerry in Pennsylvania.”

“"The cops just busted a local woman, running for office, who was caught on tape taking down her opponents signs. This is low class, to say the least.
Guess which party she belongs to?"

Not integrity, hypocrisy. sKerry's runnin' around saying this and that about Bush, he's got his lackeys like Algore out there screaming and carrying on like Mussolini, and he's got all the liberal groups making all his attacks for him. And he just sits back and lets everyone else do his dirty work and claims to be Mr. Squeaky Clean. Hypocrite!

Your big mistake is assuming that because I'm against sKerry that I am completely FOR Bush. Silly silly boy! LOL! A vote FOR Bush doesn't mean I'm so much for him as it means I'm against sKerry. A vote for Bush is a vote that protects America from sKerry. He is a liar. He is a baby killer. He blows whichever way the wind blows. He's weak on defense. He is a coward.

He is dangerous to America!”

“At least a couple of those statements could get you sued, but you probably don't have anything worth taking anyway... so spew away idiot.”

“"I'll take Kerry.....he's only got ketchup on his hands."

Very cool!

Who's your commander in chief, baby?

Kerry a coward......a liar?

In the real world, those things describe Dubya.

Oh, and don't forget "two-bit drunk and coke freak".”

“"...Algore out there screaming and carrying on like Mussolini."

Sorry, Mussolini was a corporatist/fascist like Dubya.”

“Hey! I just saw that CNN will be doing a profile on none other than Treasa Heinz, tonight at 7:00 EST!


Maybe some of these questions could get answered!

Tune in!”

“Make a note:

Not tonight, but next Sunday night.... John McCain on Booknotes.

Sunday, August 1 -- 8 PM EDT”

“That's C-SPAN, you-all.”

“What's C-Span?

Is that one of doose dem dar Spainish channels?”

“And here's a link to a few policy organizations that you may want to check out, LOL

Now Start Reading ---- <G>”

“Wholly crap, tilt!

That's a great part of the site and will come in very handy in the coming weeks in my Poli Sci course!

I owe you, big time!”

“Some of those Spanish soap operas are HOT....

I dunno WTF those people are talkin' 'bout, but I don' kere!!”

“Well, I watched the special on Mrs. Heniz Kerry and came back impressed with her. As a person and as a possible First Lady, I think that she would bring to the White House something that some people see in Hillary, but without the Billy Bagage. She's for enviromental protection and works hard at it. She feels that women as just as strong as men and full capible. She as a tremendous amount of worldly experiance and is very charming. And, who woulda thunk it? She does have a pre-nup! She has been through a lot in her short time on the planet and those things have made her a well rounded person, IMHO. Most conservatives will continue to bash her, but I think it won't be mainly for money any longer. The next trend will be that fact that she is not an orginal American, but became citizen after she came to the states and before married Mr. Heinz. It is my belief that the this fact will be scary to all but progressive conservatives. Time will tell.

Before her part, they did a piece on Edwards. I came away from that with very little more information about him, save the fact that his son was killed at a very young age, which is terrible. His lack of experiance will be used against him and could prove to be a weak spot. But as we all know, if Dan Qualye can be VP, well then any of us on this board could.

I tried to sit through the Kerry piece, but registering for next semester of school took me away from that. I didn't know that everything that is being said about him as been recycled from all of his other years of running. That being said, he should be able to weather the storm and I think he'll generate more votes after the convention. Also mentioned: The Bush campaign is laying pretty low right now, but will launch a media blitz reight after the convention, as Dick and Bush will be unloading their record amount of money generated before their parties convention in late August. It really is mind blowing that after the supposed elimination of soft money in '02 that people can still generate this kind of cash.”

“And don't forget Cheney's Halliburton dealings, Nigal. You want to make sure that you bring the highest possible integrity to this election as you research the candidates.
Kerry = not involved with Heinz.
Cheney = CEO of Halliburton while they were doing business with Iran.
Make up your mind.”

“NOOOO! Not Classico Salsa! That is the best salsa out there in gallon jugs!”

“JFK failing to throw the ball 50 ft to home plate:



Is this a world leader? What a sissy!”

“Remind me of the time, just recently, when Bob Gibson couldn't even make it to home plate during "Bob Gibson" night.

First, the strike, now this?!

WTF is this world coming to!?!?”

“Dude, the pitch was a splitter and the cather couldn't handle it. The Official Scorer ruled it as a passed ball.”

“

Kerry probably would have a hard time putting together a good cheer as well!”