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Nigal
3:27:42 PM
7/27/04

You did it again!
bearmagnet
3:33:36 PM
7/27/04

ok. so who saw it last night?

i missed it.

give me the goods.
sacco
10:10:08 AM
7/28/04

I frickin' missed it! The tv guide thing said it'd be on at 1AM so I stayed up to watch it but they had it on at 12! I'm heading over to fox.com to see if they have the transcript there.

Luckily Hannity and Combs was coming on and I got to see Shawn tear up Combs the impotent toothless poodle (yet again).
Nigal
10:18:41 AM
7/28/04


Looks like it was just a bunch of round about going on and nothing got discussed.

I think Moore has an unhealthy obsession with children. That’s all he talked about was children. What’s this obsession? To molest them or to simply eat them?
Nigal
10:33:53 AM
7/28/04

Sorry I missed it.
Treebeard
10:34:49 AM
7/28/04

"eat them," LOLOL!!
lyra
10:35:24 AM
7/28/04

I don't know why Moore thinks soldiers are "children". It's that kind of rhetoric that shows his obvious slant. Did I say slant? Heck, he's so far left he's falling over. He makes a good point, and a fair one, about sending American soldiers who our sons and daughters and moms and dads and brothers and sisters over to fight such a war. Is it worth it our lives? That's a healthy debate. But to use language like "children" is ridiculous. I saw the interview and it was predictable and boring, both just kept hammering on the same thing over and over. I think both O'Reilly and Moore are good men wanting good things, but with completely different worldviews on how to get there. I'm so wise. What would you guys do here without my incredible insight, thoughtfulness, and penetration. Wait, that didn't sound like I meant it.
Buck
11:15:59 AM
7/28/04

what the hell are you guys talking about ?!?!?

i wanted to know about the hot chick in the pink shirt.
sacco
11:24:11 AM
7/28/04

Buck, you are obviously not a parent. If you were, you will understand the way the term children was used. Agree with Moore or not, that is not the issue. But, his use of the term 'children' was right on the money.
Treebeard
11:28:23 AM
7/28/04

good point, sacco. can we get back on track, please?
bearmagnet
11:29:49 AM
7/28/04

Treebeard, sorry, I gotta disagree with you saying we are sending "children" to war. We have adult men and women of various ages in the military, comprised of sons and daughters and moms and dads and uncles and aunts and grandparents and brothers and sisters. But I see no children. I guess it's a matter of semantics and rhetoric. If you feel otherwise, that's cool, I don't pretend I could convince you otherwise nor will I not think it ridiculous to say we are sending "children" to war. I don't see tanks made by Tonka® and they're certainly not shooting Nerf® dart guns.
Buck
11:53:17 AM
7/28/04

Personally I think it would be awesome if nations could settle the differences with a blistering Nerf gun war.
humanpackmule
11:56:19 AM
7/28/04

or thumb wrestling....

moore's a chickensh1t and won't go on o'reilly's show. oreilly was askin moore about that
stratdewd
12:03:34 PM
7/28/04

you are clueless to what I am saying, Buck.
Treebeard
12:03:51 PM
7/28/04

It's not a macho thing, Buck!
Treebeard
12:04:54 PM
7/28/04

buck, you have to think with more feeeeeeeeeling...
stratdewd
12:07:36 PM
7/28/04

O’Rielly + Moore = symbiotic relationship
fullmoon
12:08:59 PM
7/28/04

Let me put it to you this way:
My daughter, for instance. When she was a toddler, she was my child. When she became an adolescent, she was my child. She is sixteen, she IS my child. If (heaven forbid) she ever goes off to an unjust war, she will still be my child. When she gets older, she is still going to be my child. As long as i am alive, she is my child. No war (or anything, for that matter) is going to "pre-empt" THAT!
Treebeard
12:10:30 PM
7/28/04

The REAL reason I'm voting for Bush

Jenns is a babe, and she's 21
Buck
12:11:22 PM
7/28/04

She should be around for a while, Buck. Don't think you will see her go to war!
Treebeard
12:13:37 PM
7/28/04

The problems with Moore's use of the term is that while it may be correct to refer to our soldiers as children (an offspring). He uses the word in such a way as to obtain the impact of another definition (a person between birth and puberty). He's not using it to create an image in people's mind of someone's adult son or daughter, but rather an image of a ten year old kid with an M-16.
Bison
12:15:29 PM
7/28/04

Barbara's hot too! (No not the former first lady... well maybe for some of you guys)
Bison
12:17:10 PM
7/28/04

Bullsh_t, Bison. I read the text and it's as clear as day. He was asking O'Reilly about his children.
Treebeard
12:17:48 PM
7/28/04

Treebeard, I understand what you're saying but it is illegal to send "children" to war. Children do not fight deadly wars against other nations, they fight in the sandbox, and rarely at that. If an 8 year old kills someone and an 18 year old kills someone, there is a huge difference on the status of being a "child/minor" or an "adult" on the sentencing. Putting children in sexual situations will get you life in prison, but if they're 18 and consenting, it's perfectly legal. There is a big difference between a child and an adult, and we don't send "children" to war. We have a volunteer military where we can legally choose or not choose to join the military. A child cannot make such decisions and a child can not join the military even if he/she wants to.
Buck
12:20:57 PM
7/28/04

as much as i hate the fact that you guys are waaaaaaaaayyy off topic...

treebeard is absolutely right.

find me a parant with an offspring who is 18 years old-

any parant in this country worth a dam-

and ask them what their 18 year old offsping is.

they will answer that he/she's their child. (meaning not an adult)

puberty does not end childhood. that's ridiculous.
sacco
12:21:29 PM
7/28/04

If Moore asked, "would you send YOUR son or daughter to Iraq", that would be more accurate than asking if he'd send his "children" to Iraq.
Buck
12:23:43 PM
7/28/04

sacco, tell that to the legal system, they seem confooosed about the law then.
Buck
12:24:27 PM
7/28/04

No offense Buck, but if don’t have kids of your own it may be hard to understand.
fullmoon
12:25:19 PM
7/28/04

alright Tree - you can just append my comments to the ads Kerry ran in New Hampshire that featured young children playing with a voiceover about not "sending children to war."
Bison
12:26:24 PM
7/28/04

Thank you, Sacco! Somebody actually listens and responds in kind! Buck, if you didn't put my name on that last post, I would have no idea that you were talking to me. How much further can one person stray from the subject at hand. At what point did I even make the slightest allusion to sending a minor to war? WTF is wrong with your eyes, man? Jeez, if you are going to converse, at least read the sh_t!
Treebeard
12:27:33 PM
7/28/04

My parents refer to me as an adult sacco, They call me their son, not their child, I'm sorry that you're parents don't have that kind of respect for you.
Bison
12:27:58 PM
7/28/04

buck, i'm not talking about the legal system. please re-read my post. i'm talking about a parant's defintion.
sacco
12:28:14 PM
7/28/04

you're = your
Bison
12:28:21 PM
7/28/04

Bison, I don't live in New Hampshire and i watch very little TV. Next!
Treebeard
12:29:25 PM
7/28/04

well bison, i hope your parants would not be willing to sacrafice your life to liberate fallujah.

i'm sure mine wouldn't.
my parants love me.
sacco
12:31:11 PM
7/28/04

fullmoon, I don't need to children to know the definition! I have two full grown german shepherd dogs... they certainly ain't "puppies" anymore, even if I like to think they are!

Treebeard, as I said, it's a matter of semantics. So, if O'Reilly had a couple of 40-year old sons who were leaders in the military, he'd be sending his children to Iraq?

We don't send children to war, we send adults who volunteer on their own, legally. They are sons and daughters and brothers and sisters and moms and dads and grandparents, etc., but they ain't "children".

Anywho, it's all fine, I don't care to get sucked up in this mindless 'round and 'round endless "get nowhere fast" banter around here. I just prefer to be goofy and think about wild places and check out pics! It's cool.
Buck
12:36:12 PM
7/28/04

So, if O'Reilly had a couple of 40-year old sons who were leaders in the military, he'd be sending his children to Iraq?

Yes, as unrealistic as that scenario is! You finally got it (assuming that we can erase your last two paragraphs!)
Treebeard
12:38:45 PM
7/28/04

My parents love me, they also love this country and the rest the of the people living here. Coming from a military family I can assure you that they would not be so unselfish as to hold my life more dear than that of the others who have already died, they understand sacrifice, As my Grandparents (who lost two Sons in service to this country, although not in war) did when my Father and Uncles went to war, and as my Great-Grandparents did when my Grandfathers went to war.
Bison
12:41:46 PM
7/28/04

i'm very sorry that your parants care more about fallujah than your life bison.

i guess that explains some things.

my parants love this country too. and thats why they were proud of me when i spent 8 years in the military.

and i'm sure that bill o-reilly loves his children and this country too - but read the transcript. he would not sacrafice his children for iraq either.

and i love my country too. i don't have any children, but i do have some very good friends that i served with that are now in iraq. and they don't deserve to die for "a mistake in intelligence"
sacco
12:50:15 PM
7/28/04

I can see that you would not want them to die for a "mistake in intelligence" sacco. But many people in this country feel that this war is about much more than that.
Bison
12:53:31 PM
7/28/04

So was it worth watching?

I watched Fox News a few times when it first appeared, then deleted it. I don't even remember what channel it was on. You wouldn't let someone install a pipe pouring sewage into your house wouldja? <G>
Tilt
12:55:45 PM
7/28/04

it is bison. it is.

what amazes me is that so many people think it's just a coincidence that cheney's haliburton is making BILLIONS over this war.

what do you think this war's about bison?

why don't you volenteer for if it's for such a noble cause?
sacco
12:57:29 PM
7/28/04

i'm very sorry that your parants care more about fallujah than your life bison.

That's about as tacky and insensitive of a comment as I've ever read on this forum. It ranks up there with BB's comment about not feeling the slightest bad if G-Dub were assasinated. Who are you people? To slam a good man's parents who feel strongly about "serving" this country when our President AND Congress sends their son or daughter off to war, and are willing (yet worried to death at the same time) about their son or daughter in harm's way, turns my gut. All parents are worried about their sons and daughters in times of war, and they don't send them off to "die", but to fight for a cause greater than themselves, as our forefathers have done for us. Get real.
Buck
1:01:13 PM
7/28/04

"You wouldn't let someone install a pipe pouring sewage into your house wouldja?"

Tilt
12:55:45 PM
07/28/04

Well what can I say, CNN and FoxNews come with the satellite subscription.
Bison
1:06:18 PM
7/28/04

Our president and congress have sent sons and daughters off to war? Which administration are you speaking of? And you are telling "these people" to get real?
Treebeard
1:06:20 PM
7/28/04

Good one, Bison! I like that!
Treebeard
1:06:58 PM
7/28/04

buck
i asked bison if his parants would be willing to sacrifice his life for the liberation of fallujah.

bison responded that his parants love him but would not be selfish.

if you would sacrifice 1 thing for another, then by defintion, you care more about the thing you're trying to save.

it's pretty simple, whether you think it's tacky or not.
sacco
1:10:43 PM
7/28/04

sacco, that is completely ridiculous. If during WWII each parent knew for 100% sure that their son would be slaughtered on Omaha Beach by the entrenched Germans on the cliffs, do you think they'd say, "sure, go ahead, let them kill my son, that's a pretty nice beach they got there". What a joke. sacco, your disrespect is appalling. Other than that, I've always enjoyed bantering with you. But when it gets to this level, adios, man.
Buck
1:17:41 PM
7/28/04

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