Not Fit For Command

“Actually Bison, the Bush/Cheney official web site had a spot with Kerry, Gore and Dean morphing into Hitler.”

“"Yeah. And I think what Bush is doing is stupid and vile.

If the shoe fits..."
roseymonster
12:22:23 PM
08/24/04


That's OK. I'm convinced that some of the libs around here have had their heads so far up their asses for so long that they've just gotten used to the smell of the #&%!$ they're peddling.”

“"Actually Bison, the Bush/Cheney official web site had a spot with Kerry, Gore and Dean morphing into Hitler."
VioliN
12:24:38 PM
08/24/04

And exactly what documentation do you have of this?”

“Violon, you're Mr. Pollster, check the polls. The great majority of war veterans are backing Bush over Kerry. If you know someone personally otherwise, that's fine, but that doesn't skew the national polls. I know, I must be either retarded or on drugs to point this fact out. :Þ”

“Just to save you some work, El Violino, here it is.

Among Veterans: Bush 58% Kerry 35%

Thursday August 05, 2004--A Rasmussen Reports survey shows that military veterans prefer George W. Bush over John Kerry by a 58% to 35% margin. Those with no military service favor Kerry by ten percentage points, 51% to 41%.”

“Another one for kicks and giggles.

Bush leads Kerry 55% to 37% among veterans”

“I saw it with my own eyes before they took it down Bison. A simple google search would answer your question but you can read this if you want proof: Hitler Image Used in Bush Campaign Web Ad

Your brown-shirted freeper buddies loved it.”

“Buck - I said "Not around these parts".

You do understand the sentence don't you? (Or have you been huffing paint fumes today?)”

“That's ridiculuous Violin, you're referring to an ad which was a response to the moveon.org add, Hitler's image was not in any way used to compare Kerry etc. to Hitler, it was used to show that people who support them were comparing Bush to Hitler. Not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.”

“You saw the ad, right Bison?”

“I did, it was hashed over endlessly on the evening news.”

“Violin, I live in a conservative area, so around these parts veterans don't like Kerry. So THERE! :Þ pllllttthhh!”

“VioliN

NJ has the Governor huffing on parts alright, not paint fumes.”

“Violin? Did you read the article about the Hitler ad?

"...disclaimer was added to the beginning of the Web spot on Saturday afternoon to explain that the video contains "remarks made by and images from ads sponsored by Kerry supporters." The disclaimer also accuses Kerry of failing to denounce those who have compared Hitler to Bush."

It was a mockery of the pro-Kerry MoveOn.org ad that showed Bush as Hitler. Duuuude, what a twist! I didn't think an explanation was necessary?”

“Kerry served in combat and put his life on the line. Bush took the privileged cowards way out.
End of story.”

“Violin, just to let you know, when I discuss Presidential politics it's "big picture" stuff on a national level, taking the pulse of the nation... not your next door neighbor. Obviously even if 58% of veterans prefer Bush over Kerry, there are still many tens of thousands of veterans who prefer Kerry, and maybe even one of them works in an office next to you. Yes, it's possible, as amazing as those odds are. :^D

My mom likes Prez Bush... TAKE THAT! OOoooOOOOooo.”

“Yet when the repubs raised this as a Clinton issue it was irrelevant.

Bob Dole served in combat and put his life on the line, Clinton took the privileged cowards way out.

Bush (senior) served in combat and put his life on the line, Clinton took the privileged cowards way out.

Clinton was THE model president was he not?

Therefore avoiding combat should be a desirable trait, along with not inhaling. GWB was accused of imbibing not inhaling.”

“I'm really surprised that Bison could see the ad and not know what my post was referring to. I should have saved a copy for myself. The implications were obvious.”

“"Bush (senior) served in combat and put his life on the line."

And let's not forget that Bush Sr. was an honest-to-goodness, no bs, war Hero.”

“"The implications were obvious."

VioliN
01:00:48 PM
08/24/04

Yes the implication that groups that support Kerry had used Hitlers imagery in comparison to Bush was quite obvious.”

“"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- Bush”

“goog, Kerry put his life on the line, committed war atrocities against fellow human beings (his words, not mine) and brags about his war decorations in the process, then slams his country (he has every right to do so) and then wants you to believe he's a war hero. Go figger. I'd rather he just stayed home and watched Gomer Pyle and I Dream Of Jeannie than the things he said and did afterwards. I think, in the long run, he did more harm than good. That's my right to think that, and it's the right of many veterans who fought in the same war as him as well.”

“Buck, just to let you know, when I say "not around these parts", I'm referring to my own geographical area, not the nation.

Now log off the computer and take your anti-psychotic medication.”

“Luckily, Violin, your geographical area doesn't not solely decide our President. But I guess it's fun to talk about your neighborhood anyway. Staying on topic, how far are you from the nearest McDonald's?”

“"Kerry served in combat and put his life on the line. Bush took the privileged cowards way out.
End of story."”

“""Bush (senior) served in combat and put his life on the line."

And let's not forget that Bush Sr. was an honest-to-goodness, no bs, war Hero."

What the hell has that to do with '04.

Poppy Bush was an airplane driver.
He didn't do anything particularly heroic.
He got shot down, or so the story goes.
His crew did not survive.
Maybe he panicked and abandoned his radio operator/tail gunner.
He could be lyin'.
Let's dig up some shipmates who will call him a liar for money.”

“He could be lyin'.
Let's dig up some shipmates who will call him a liar for money."
MarkO
01:18:45 PM


that might be hard to do.

instead let's find some guys that were on different ships (but were relatively close) that will call him a liar for a lot of money.”

“MarkO, instead of digging up shipmates of Bush, why don't we go much bigger than that? Skip that baby stuff. Why not get Hollywood producers to make stuff up, lie, twist, and make a movie out of it and make meeeellions in the process? THAT'S the way to go.”

“It has nothing to do with it MarkO. It's called I can't dispute that so I'll try to change the subject.”

“Poppy Bush joined the U.S. Navy to prove his family's loyalty after his father was busted in '42 for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY.

The Bush (crime)family had been makin' lots of money off the Nazi regime in the '30s.

I guess it was hard to quit.”

“I like Buck's idea.

Let's just make sh1t up!!!!


Your turn, Buck!”

“Poppy Bush was an airplane driver.
He didn't do anything particularly heroic.
He got shot down, or so the story goes.
His crew did not survive.
Maybe he panicked and abandoned his radio operator/tail gunner.
He could be lyin'.
Let's dig up some shipmates who will call him a liar for money."

MarkO
01:18:45 PM
08/24/04

Poppy Bush managed to take out a Japanese installation after his plane had been shot to hell, he recieved the Navy Cross for it.”

“Bison, are you sure that's the truth?

What did he use to "take 'em out"?

Was he slingin' a bomb or a torpedo on that run?”

“It's amazing. One man says another man saved his life. What more do you need?”

“I heard an interview with Michael Dukakis the other day. During his campaign against Daddy Bush there were stories put out that Bush ditched too soon and doomed the rest of his crew. Dukakis said he came out and said that there were legitimate differences between their positions that were open for debate but he wouldn’t stand for the trashing of his opponent’s war record. Too bad little George isn’t the man Dukakis is.


For anyone who is interested, msnbc has an archive of the Bush/Cheney Hitler ad (click 'Launch Video') and thememoryhole has the two ads that appeared on the moveon.org contest site.”

“Sorry roseymonster, but thats not good enough. He didn't walk on water while saving his life.”

“Wow Vile Man - you've gone abnd confused the issue by asking people to look at the actual data and think for themselves.

You must love Hitler, Bin Laden and Kerry.”

“"....there were stories put out that Bush ditched too soon and doomed the rest of his crew."

Thanks, Viola!

I remembered hearing something like that.

Poppy was a twenty year old kid flyin' a ten-ton airship.

He may have panicked and saved his own ass......"every man for himself"!

But it's the driver's responsibility to look after HIS crew.

I think it was an Avenger with a rear man and a bombardier below.
The other two boys didn't have time to get out and drowned after the ditching.

I would like to see "documentation" on Big Daddy's "heroism".”

“I remember the same thing. I also remember Mike D getting slammed for ecen bringing the question up that Bush screwed up.

Times had changed, but the hyprocracy still stays the same.

Bush I made a big deal out of Clinton's non-service, but this is off limits for Bush II.

Typical and should not be suprising concidering who were are talking about. This is the typical Repub move: Smear and define the other guy and make himplay defense.

In this case, it has caused Kerry to spend more money on ads now that he was saving for the push at the end. Now, with this political smear, the Repubs have placed Kerry in a poor situation in the Fall.

If Kerry was smart, he'd go after Bush on HIS record, but that's too much of a gimme. There are alot of issues that need to be talked about, but are not.”

“Where are the Democratic attack dogs who are independent from the party to answer the Republican smear?

There are groups with money to spend to help even things up.”

“Kerry doesn't need to go after Bush on his service. He has all you kool-aid drinkers to do it. And he doesn't even have to deal with it when you get called on all your lies.”

“What world are you in. Ever hear of Sorros (probably spelled it wrong), or Moore, or Garafilo, or ...

Even up things? You are so pitiful.”

“Thanks for the pity, sweetheart!”

“MarkO®? The top 10 soft-money 527 orgs are Democrats smearing Bush! Whatchootawkin'bout? Even things out? Ha ha! Ya, I love those liberal "even" playing fields! Let's get MORE billionaires spending meeeeellions of dollars for Kerry, and multi-millionaire actors and directors and producers and big screen smear movies and books. The Dems just can't keep up with Bush on this. Ha ha! Life is good®.”

“Last time I check, none of hte people NoProb listed had a radio program, or a TV show for that matter.

He must be saying that these people should not express their opinion.

How brown-shirted of you, my friend.

When's the book burning?”

“I suppose that the fact that MoveOn.org was developed durning the Clinton Admin and attacked him too is lost on some of you.

Nice try, but they've been bashing sitting Presidents, no matter what party. They were kicking Clinton in the tail because they thought he wasn't liberal enough, but that's stuff some just don't want to hear.”

“Read "Lying Liars" by Al Franken.

Which party has the billionaires???

Ha ha ha ha ha ! ! !

Who's been in business with the Suadi oil pirates since the '20s?”

“Pew, 7/23/04:

As was the case in 2000, there is only a small "veteran gap" in the current campaign. Bush leads among male veterans by nine points (49%-40%), while male non-veterans are almost evenly divided in their candidate preferences (46% Bush/44% Kerry). During the Democratic primary campaign, there also were no indications Kerry had made inroads among veterans. Exit polls from the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries showed he ran about as well among veterans as non-veterans in those states.”

“lagtis, Unlike you and the others who have been trying to shut down the Swift Boat heros, I have NEVER advocated taking away anyone's right to speak. Even you.

The guys with the radio shows? They aren't there because the republican supporters are paying for the time. They are there because people are listening and sponsors are buying the time.

Go but some time and put your guy on.

The fact is several times more 527 money is spent smearing Bush than Kerry.”

“Marky, the Kennedys.”