Chaney endorses Gay Marriage?

“MSNBC reports that VP Dick Chaney went on the record to support gay relationship, much to the suprise of his fellow Republicans.

Maybe Chaney's gay daughter had something to do with this?

Can Bush unite the party after this one?

Is Dick now out the door?”

“Your last sentence may be the most accurate. It's been rumored that Bush may choose another VP candidate. This could just be a precursor to that.”

“YOU HEARD IT! IF YOU ARE GAY OR SUPPORT GAYS, VOTE REPUBLICAN!”

“Buck-flop.”

“I ain't floppin', but NOW GAYS HAVE HIGH-LEVEL REPUBLICAN SUPPORT! VOTE REPUB! YAAAAAAAA!!!”

“Truth be known, the hardore right has had many gays in their membership.

Example: Recently, the former leader of the hardcore right organization, and a major player in the Bush campaign in Florida, was dismissed recently after he was outted.”

“McCarthy was gay.”

“What an absolutely great example of the diversity that can and does exist within the republican party. Lock steppin' my ass...

:)”

“Cheney did not endorse gay marriage, he said it should be left up to the states.”

“Wrong. He said that freedom meant freedom for everyone. That means gays shoud have the freedom to marry.

I saw the interview.”

“Wrong, I saw the interview. He said specifically that the issue should be left up to the states.

""The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? Historically, that's been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage,"

Dick Cheney”

“Do you purposly take stuff out of context just to prove your point? f you *saw* the interview, you would have seen that what I mentioned was in there.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-5/1093398553116470.xml&storylist=electionmi

Cheney's gay marriage comments draw fire
8/24/2004, 9:41 p.m. ET
By TODD DVORAK
The Associated Press

DAVENPORT, Iowa (AP) — Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter Mary is a lesbian, drew criticism from both proponents and foes of gay marriage Tuesday after he distanced himself from President Bush's call for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

At a campaign rally in this Mississippi River town, Cheney spoke supportively about gay relationships, saying "freedom means freedom for everyone," when asked about his stand on gay marriage.

"Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our family is very familiar with," Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. "With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.

"The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? Historically, that's been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage," he said.

Bush backs a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, a move Cheney says was prompted by various judicial rulings, including the action in Massachusetts that made gay marriage legal.

"I think his perception was that the courts, in effect, were beginning to change, without allowing the people to be involved," Cheney said. "The courts were making the judgment for the entire country."

Addressing Bush's position on the amendment, Cheney said: "At this point, say, my own preference is as I've stated, but the president makes policy for the administration. He's made it clear that he does, in fact, support a constitutional amendment on this issue."

Those comments drew criticism from the conservative Family Research Council, with President Tony Perkins saying: "I find it hard to believe the vice president would stray from the administration's position on defense policy or tax policy. For many pro-family voters, protecting traditional marriage ranks ahead of the economy and job creation as a campaign issue."

Perkins added that if Cheney sees a problem with activist judges, "then how can he not endorse the same solution the president and his pro-family allies have proposed? We urge Vice President Cheney to support President Bush and a constitutional amendment on marriage."

Steven Fisher, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, a gay and lesbian advocacy group, said Cheney's remarks show a stark difference with Bush's efforts "to put discrimination in the Constitution."

"President Bush is feeling the heat. The administration has been using gay Americans to drive a wedge into the electorate. There are millions of American families who have gay family members and friends, who are offended by the president's use of discrimination," Fisher said.

Last month, Lynne Cheney said states should have the final say over the legal status of personal relationships, a comment that came just days before the Senate failed to back the ban.

Cheney said the amendment did not have the votes to pass, but he also said the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which President Clinton signed into law in 1996, may be enough.

"Most states have addressed this and there is on the books the federal statute, the Defense of Marriage Act, passed in 1996, and to date, it has not been successfully challenged in the courts and may be sufficient to resolve the issue," the vice president said.

The Cheneys have two daughters, both of whom are working on the campaign. Mary Cheney is director of vice presidential operations for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign. She held a public role as her father's assistant in the 2000 campaign and helped the GOP recruit gay voters during the 2002 midterm elections.

During the 2000 campaign, vice presidential candidate Cheney took the position that states should decide legal issues about personal relationships and that people should be free to enter relationships of their choosing.

Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina, oppose the amendment. The Democratic candidates also oppose gay marriage, but defend a gay couple's rights to the same legal protections as those conferred in marriage.”

“He only supports if because his daugther is gay. Maybe?”

“Laqtis it is you who is taking his comments out of context. Cheney was very careful to distinguish between the private act of having a relationship which he said anyone should be free to do with anyone else they saw fit, and the public act of marriage which he said should be left to the states to regulate.”

“Alright you two, now kiss and make up.”

“Give it up and save your time Bison. It's not worth it.”

“Yeah Bison. Your wasting you're time.

the time that would hvae been well-spent would have been when laqtis was in 3rd Grade and his teacher taught him reading comprehsinsion.”

“Top Ten Signs Bush Is Considering Dumping Cheney


10. Cheney's desk has been replaced by President's new air hockey table.

9. There's a listing on Monster Dot Com for a Vice-Presidential position in a "Large North American Government."

8. Cheney's so depressed he's only eating 12 KFC drumsticks a day.

7. There is a "For Rent" sign on the front lawn of the undisclosed location.

6. When Cheney says, "We're gonna win in November," Bush snarls, "What's this 'We' crap?"

5. White House interns are no longer required to know CPR.

4. The CIA says they have reliable information Cheney won't be dumped.

3. Bush asked Trump if he could come to Washington and fire Cheney.

2. Yesterday a tearful Cheney sang "I Will Survive" on the White House lawn.

1. Bush called Daddy looking for Quayle's number.”

“hmmmmmmm, let's re-visit:

Headline of the thread = "Chaney endorses Gay Marriage?"

Please note the question mark, which means "Does he or doesn't he".

With me so far?

I then went on to say "MSNBC reports that VP Dick Chaney went on the record to support gay relationship, much to the suprise of his fellow Republicans."

Do you see anything about marriage? Nope. So the above statment is true. He does support gay relationship.

Next -

Bison sez "Cheney did not endorse gay marriage, he said it should be left up to the states."

No where did I say he did support gay marriage, but bison read something into what I said.

Whew! Anyone need a break yet?

So then, I take the opportunity to mention that by his statement, he did support it, because he his response was to a question about gay marriage. Chaney said, and I quote "At a campaign rally in this Mississippi River town, Cheney spoke supportively about gay relationships, saying "freedom means freedom for everyone," when asked about his stand on gay marriage.

"Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our family is very familiar with," Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. "With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

Which means to everyone reading this, Chaney supports gay relationships and marriage.

Chaney then goes on to say, and I'll stop you where he makes a point ""The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? -----Historically,------ that's been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage," he said.

By using the word "Historically", he is relating to the interviewer what has been done in the PAST. Got it? No where does he say here that HE feels that it should be left up to the states, rather what has been the deal in the PAST.

VP Chaney then goes on to say and I quote ""I think his perception was that the courts, in effect, were beginning to change, without allowing the people to be involved," Cheney said. "The courts were making the judgment for the entire country."

He his talking about President BUSH, not himself, VP Chaney.

Chaney then goes on to say, and I quote from the piece -- "Addressing Bush's position on the amendment, Cheney said: "At this point, say, my own preference is as I've stated, but the president makes policy for the administration."

I'll repeat that part for our reading impared "At this point, say, my own preference is as I've stated, but the president makes policy for the administration."

He says that he and the President have differing views on the matter, but he defers to the President because it's HIS policy.

It was Lynee Chaney that has come out to say that the issue should be decided by the states "Last month, Lynne Cheney said states should have the final say over the legal status of personal relationships, a comment that came just days before the Senate failed to back the ban."


We then go on to this part "Chaney said the amendment did not have the votes to pass, but he also said the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which President Clinton signed into law in 1996, may be enough.

"Most states have addressed this and there is on the books the federal statute, the Defense of Marriage Act, passed in 1996, and to date, it has not been successfully challenged in the courts and may be sufficient to resolve the issue," the vice president said."

He is saying that the states have delt with this issue, and DOMA should be enough to put the issue to rest, one way or another. Where does he say HE thinks DOMA is right? HE is talking about poast events and not what he supports now.

Is this then a waffle? Kerry is accused of tring to have it both ways, but in this supposed SAME situation, Chaney is not raked over the coals?

Yes, Chaney did run in 2000 on a anti-gay mariage platform, but this is 4 years later and it's obvious, even to a person a dence as bales, that he has either:

1. Always has supported Gay relationships
2. Has changed his mind.
3. Trying to have it both ways, there by being a waffler
4. Just saying what ever he can to keep the votes coming in.
5. Now feels that he has acted porrly and it has had a real effect on his family.
6. Is in poor health and is trying to make amends.

You decide what ever the reason is, but facts are facts.”

“Wow, you're analysis is pretty much incomprehensible, I stand by my earlier post.

Here's the start of your problems laqtis -

"No where did I say he did support gay marriage, but bison read something into what I said."

All anyone has to do is scroll up to see that this is not true. Well I'll post it for you anyway.

"Wrong. He said that freedom meant freedom for everyone. That means gays shoud have the freedom to marry.

I saw the interview."
laqtis
08:09:14 PM
08/24/04

Even if you were referring to my first post, I was not reading anything into what you posted, I was simply responding to the question posed in the thread title, which anyone who can read would be able to tell.

laqtis goes on to state that this passage refers to Cheney's support for gay marriage:

"With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone."

Horse#&%!$, bother to read it again?

Cheney refers to relationships not marriage. This is a man who uses very precise language, if he had meant marriage he would have said marriage.

laqtis goes on to misrepresent another statement by Cheney:

"At this point, say, my own preference is as I've stated, but the president makes policy for the administration."

Here Cheney is referring to his difference with the President over the issue of whether or not an amendment is needed. He goes on to make clear that he does not believe that an amendment is needed because the Defense of Marriage Act should be sufficient to protect the right of each state to determine whether or not gay marriage should be legal.

At no point does Cheney indicate at all in any way that gays should be allowed to marry, only that their should be no sanction on gay relationships and that the question of marriage should be handled at the state, not the federal, level.”

“Sure, go on with yer bad self!

If it means that much to ya, believe what ya want and spin it every which way, but loose. I don't really care. I've said all that I've had to say on this. If ya want to shout and scream about it, go right on ahead. I won't stand in your right of way.”

“Man laqtis you really can't stand it when your wrong and somebody poinsts it out, can you?”

“bales, I'm not going to debate this any further with bison, because at this point, we don't agree and nothing we say to each other will change either of our minds.

This is what we call "agreeing to dissagree". I respect bison too much to get into it any further, as I've said all I can say and I won't get on the merry go round with him, even if he's paying for the ticket.

Now, I would really hate to see someone like yourself get laid out on the net and get all embarrassed and such, so why don't ya get back inside. The recess beel just rang.”

“Laqtis your clearly wroing and Bison pointed it out. That's why your slinking off whith you're tail between you're legs.

Call it whatever you want to help you with you're self esteem problem (agreeing to disagree - ha - it is to laugh) the fact remians that everyone that has read this thread has seen your gross disply of ignoraace and inferior reading comprehesnion skills.

Either your truly deluded and you think your 'gagreeing to disagree" or your trying to fool yourself. Just let me point out though that sayhing something enough times doesn't make it true though.”

“You're a scream!”

“A hoot!!”

“Just tell laqtose he's right and be done with it. It's the only way he'll shut the phuck up.”

“Trying to change the subject isn't going to erase you're above "analyis" either. It's there for everybody to read. Dou yourself a favor and don't come back to hthis trhread anymore where your going to have to be reminded.”

“"At this point, say, my own preference is as I've stated, but the president makes policy for the administration."

So, Dubya is pullin' his own strings now?”

“Oh, GOOOOD.

ow can I ever look myself in the mirror again!?!

That's it....leaving TT !!

I can't take the disgrace that I have brought upon myself!

So long cruel world!


The horror......the horror....”

“Buck up Laqtis (ha ha, pun intended, I kill myself), Us conservatives take just as much blasting around here. Let's go hiking, I promise that hiking will soothe all fuego wounds.”

“Cheney begging for the gay vote.

Yeah. This is gonna go over like Bush kissing Sharpton's ass...

Would you like some WAFFLE fries with that load of B.S. Mr. Vice-Pres?”

“"Would you like some WAFFLE fries with that load of B.S. Mr. Vice-Pres?"

roseymonster
10:02:28 AM
08/25/04

If you go back and check the record you'll find that Cheney's position is unchanged from the 2000 election.

All you have to do is scroll up to the article Laqtis posted:

"During the 2000 campaign, vice presidential candidate Cheney took the position that states should decide legal issues about personal relationships and that people should be free to enter relationships of their choosing."

Sorry, hate to disappoint you roseymonster but there's no waffle here.”

“"Buck up Laqtis (ha ha, pun intended, I kill myself), Us conservatives take just as much blasting around here. Let's go hiking, I promise that hiking will soothe all fuego wounds....."

I could never achieve Buckism level, never! LOL!

I agree (whoa! or do I disagree? Where are we on this? Where do you stand s othat I know where I stand LOL!), a hike is in order. I'm going to be out your way (kinda)during the Thanksgiving weekend. PA are. The trip is posted, maybe you can make it?”

“This is nothing more than an attempt to open the Gay market to Haliburton.”

“Savage, I think that's the funniest thing you've ever said.”

“This is nothing more than an attempt to open the Gay market to Haliburton."

Savage
10:21:12 AM
08/25/04

Yes, Gay people need gas to I guess.”

“Dick is gay?”

“I'm going to be out your way (kinda)during the Thanksgiving weekend. PA are. The trip is posted, maybe you can make it?"
laqtis
10:08:31 AM
08/25/04

I've been looking at that, but there are usually family considerations at Thanksgiving, but we'll see.”

“i give cheney credit, that took guts.”

“If his daughter was straight, he'd be denouncing gay marraige.”

“Yeah Bison. And I guess he had nothing to do with the failed attempt to ammend the national constituion to redefine "marriage."

Gimmie a break...”

“LMAO Savage, ya conservative bastard!....lol!”

“Geez, the Butch administration sure as hell waffled on their reasons for going to war.

But, screw y'all, I wanna go with Buck to his secret valley......the dogs can go too.”

“...from the City of New York tourist bureau's list of fun things to do and see here in the Big Apple this coming week. There's an Off-Broadway show with the above said title that the repubs are holding up their crosses towards, while also trying to appease their constituents who support gay rights without having to embrace their stance. So, "Naked Boys Singing" will not get the nod as "play of the week" with this crowd!

Hmm, wonder if Cheney signed up for tix for this one...”

“I thought that was funny! I ain't pullin' no naked boys! I wonder how many repubs will, however, be pickin' up hookers down on Times Square? LOL!”

“No joke, Nigal. There was a big issue about the hookers making all this money (and they will be making big bucks) as opposed to the little street vendor guys losing all this business (and are getting royally screwed) - no pun intended!”

“And you could bet yer ass that if the play was called, "Naked Girls Singing", there wouldn't be an available ticket within miles!”

“And yet, ironiclly enough, in either case their are wieners being gobbled.”