What an AWESOME Republican Convention! YAAA!

“I watched much of the Dem convention and I'm finding this one much more positive (even about the other party), exciting, happy, and with good positive vibes about America as a "whole".
Buck
01:12:26 AM



sure, nuthin but positive...

Cheney prepares to rip Kerry

BTW, that's msnbc's link title, not mine.”

“Well, given the crap that Kerry, Edwards and their supported have been heaping on the President and Vice President for the last year and a half, escalating rapidly, you had to know that sooner or later someone would decide to fire back. Now's as good a time as any. Cheney can probably handle the task.”

“Should be "No Prob" for a slimebag as greasy as him!”

“Go got it Treebeard, Cheney has a right nasty mouth.

And most of us haven't heard anywhere near what he really thinks.”

“Right! Let's see what kind of stent, I mean, stunt he pulls tonight!”

“You got it........”

“Kerry uses the "F" word several times in an interview (MTV, I think) when he knows he is on the record and will be quoted. You say nothing. Cheney uses it one time in a one-on-one (semi-private) situation, if there is such a thing among polititians, and you act like it's a big deal. What a hypocrit!!

Liberals can't express themselves without name calling and profanity.
You don't have anything intelligent to say and we get things like "slimebag as greasy...".

Quick wit, guys. Don't think I can keep up with that.”

“If only John McCain, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Rudy Giuliani really did represent the Republican leadership.”

“What pedxing said.

Schwarzen loves America, "......because I can make a lot of money here...."

"Ask not what your country can do for you........."”

“He should end his speech, "And to the oposition I merely say, 'Go phuck yourself.'".

I personally don't want to hear what the repubs think of sKerry. The fact he's a lying scumbag is self evident. I want to hear more of the great conservaive platform like we got last night.”

“If only John McCain, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Rudy Giuliani really did represent the Republican leadership."
pedxing
12:21:16 PM


agreed, ped.

guess that's why arnie was so reluctant to throw all of his support for bush for so long, since he disagrees with him on alot of key issues.”

“Hey, if the shoe fits...”

“Nigal, you are soooooo harsh!

If the shoe fits.........foot to the arse!!”

“"If only John McCain, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Rudy Giuliani really did represent the Republican leadership."

I think they did a wonderful job in showing how much alike they really are. We didn’t hear any of the three harping on where they diverge from the admin but they gave a great example of where they truly are on the same page on the most core level. People can say they are rolling out the moderates in order to appeal to the center but these three speeches were unbridled conservatism at it’s best. It also shows how diverse the republican party really is and how there really is room for differing ideals.

“guess that's why arnie was so reluctant to throw all of his support for bush for so long, since he disagrees with him on alot of key issues."

Sacco, how do you figure Arnie is keeping his distance? The RNC didn’t call him and ask if he’d speak. HE called THEM and asked if he could speak.”

“Gotta watch the way you talk, Nigal! noProb may yell at you!”

“If they're all speaking conservativism, how is that diverse?”

“first off, I can't believe any of you are sitting there watching this crap. I don't care whether it was the DNC or the RNC it is so frigging boring. I have better ways to spend my evenings.”

“I'm not THAT damn deep Ewker. I'm just sittin' around hoping Laura Bush has THO when they pan over to her. LOL!”

“Sacco, how do you figure Arnie is keeping his distance? The RNC didn’t call him and ask if he’d speak. HE called THEM and asked if he could speak."
Nigal
12:29:53 PM

nigal, i said was , i feel mainly because he disagrees with bush on some big issues.


this is from msnbc:


Schwarzenegger has been cautious until now in promoting the president’s re-election; the two have appeared together in California, but Schwarzenegger has sent mixed signals about campaigning for Bush outside the state.

For the most part Tuesday night, Schwarzenegger stuck to his feel-good story of opportunity, especially for immigrants. But he full-throatedly endorsed Bush’s re-election, and he squarely supported Bush’s most controversial policy choice, the decision to invade Iraq.

Delegates were rapturous over their new star, even though he opposes some of the primary planks in the party’s platform, including its opposition to legal abortion and its support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage — subjects Schwarzenegger chose not to touch on. Those issues were left to speakers who were relegated to slots earlier in the evening, before the national television networks joined the party.”

“I could not find the article that your referenced, but I did find this article from the same source:

VA Gets Record Budget for FY 2004
January 27, 2004, Washington, DC—The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) will receive a record budget of $64 billion for the current fiscal year, up $4.2 billion from the previous spending level.

"I'm grateful for President Bush's leadership in ensuring that VA can honor our nation's commitment to its veterans," said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi. "I'm also appreciative of the support that Congress has shown when it comes to taking care of veterans."

The budget for fiscal year 2004, which began Oct. 1, 2003, comes as VA is putting the finishing touches on the administration's proposed budget for fiscal year 2005, which will be formally unveiled Feb. 2.

Among the major items in fiscal year 2004 budget are $28.4 billion (including $1.7 billion in collections) for health care, up $2.9 billion from the previous year, and $32.8 billion in benefits programs.

Other budgetary categories include:

$143.4 million for the National Cemetery Administration, an $11 million hike over last year, plus nearly $32 million in grants for state cemeteries;

Full funding to expedite the handling of veterans' claims for disability compensation and pensions – a total of $1 billion for all programs;

Nearly $176 million for health care and other programs to assist homeless veterans, an increase of over $22 million from fiscal year 2003;

$101 million to support state extended-care facilities, $3 million more than last year; and

$522 million for construction, plus the authority to transfer another $400 million to health care construction.

"This budget will ensure VA is able to meet the needs of the latest generation of combat vets who are now returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan, while continuing to care for those from earlier conflicts," Principi said.


http://www.pva.org/newsroom/PR2004/pr04005.htm”

“"If they're all speaking conservativism, how is that diverse?"

Look at the first three keynote speakers. McCain can hardly be called far right. Rudy is pro abortion and anti gun as well as a fairly social republican. Arnie is also pro-abortion. Yet at the same time they are all three right on the same page as Bush when it comes to the core values of conservatism. And the whole while these three were not saying what the undecideds and moderates wanted them to nor expected them to say. And for all their differences on issues they were still asked to speak.

The only even closely moderate I saw getting prime time at the DNC was Brauma (whatever). There was no room for the likes of Lieberman or Zel Millers to speak.

Hey, don’t forget to catch Zell speaking at the RNC this week either. Now THERE is a great American!”

“OK, thanks for clarifying that for me sacco. One thing that was interesting to me is this part of that article…

“and its support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage — subjects Schwarzenegger chose not to touch on.”

I saw on TV last night that the Cali legislature was trying to push through a legalized marriage bill but Arnie said he’d probably veto it because the people spoke at the ballot box and turned it down like 60%-40% and that to push through a bill would be going against the will of the people. Wow! Someone who listens to the people?!

But that's another issue for another thread...”

“lieberman is just a republican plant!”

“I love Droopy Dog! If he would have been nominated I'd have voted for him in a heartbeat. He's one of the last Regan era democrats and his kind will be sorely missed.”

“That's great bbw, unless you're a vet who lived near one of the hospitals closed in 2003.

So the cuts were made in 2003, and the current budget proposal increases the budget over the slashed budget. Wow. Talk about the shell game! $22 million over the FY 2003 budget is the amount you cite. 2003 is when they cut it.

And that budget will not be approved until after the election. The word is it will be cut after the election.

So my statement stands, at least until the budget gets restored to pre-2003 levels and adjusted for inflation and the closed hospitals are reopened.

Of course the secretary of veterans affairs is going to echo the party line. Big surprise there!”

“I personally think the VA should invest that cash in getting an Army football team started.”

“Nigal, what makes Zell Miller such a great American?”

“He is willing to put aside what his party believes in order to do what is best for the country. Granted he’s about as conservative as a democrat can get and stay in the party. Maybe that’s what I like about him.”

“Look at the first three keynote speakers. McCain can hardly be called far right. Rudy is pro abortion and anti gun as well as a fairly social republican. Arnie is also pro-abortion. Yet at the same time they are all three right on the same page as Bush when it comes to the core values of conservatism. "

So they sold out their beliefs to deliver Bush's conservative message? How does that signify diversity?

"Brauma whatever" ... that's rich.

Lieberman did speak at the DNC. Zell Miller threw in with Shrub.

I'm still wondering why you call the Democrats liberals. The platform is very centrist.”

“"I personally think the VA should invest that cash in getting an Army football team started."
Nigal

If that's an example of your understanding of government, that explains your confusion!”

“Geobeet, you said that veterans funding was being cut by the President. The Preseident Just approved the largest budget in history. Your arguement reeks.

I don't know about which hospitals were closed, but here is the web site of the first one on your list.

http://www1.va.gov/visns/visn02/canandaigua.html

You might want to check your facts more carefully.”

“Nigal, the reasons behind his defection from the party are so far beyond you or me, as there is a whole spectrum of different possibilities that could exist behind it. I am not convinced that your take on his "convictions" is why he has jumped ship. So, aside from that, what do you know about him that makes him such a great American...”

“It's obvious that Miller is just riding on the notoriety of being a member of the Demo party while voting a straight Repub ticket.

The guy is such a zero-charisma and ineffectual politician that I guess he has to use whatever he can.”

““So they sold out their beliefs to deliver Bush's conservative message? How does that signify diversity?”

That’s just it, they didn’t have to sell out their beliefs. They still have their beliefs. Yet they are still valued members of the party. It flies in the face of the fallacy that all conservatives are lock step.

”"Brauma whatever" ... that's rich.”

I couldn’t remember the guys name…sue me. 8P

”Lieberman did speak at the DNC. Zell Miller threw in with Shrub.”

But when? He got buried outside of prime time. Yes Zell is backing Bush but he is a member of the democratic party and does still hold many things in common with the party, but he get’s shunned.

”I'm still wondering why you call the Democrats liberals. The platform is very centrist."

Centrist? We must have very different ideas of what centrist is. Our differing ideas are relevant to ourselves only. Where were the centrists during the DNC then? Why were we fed a stable diet of the most liberal politicians in Washington for the key notes?


The Army football crack was levity. As in haha!”

“Who's to say that it was the party that cast him out, Nigal? What are you basing it on? Maybe he has something to do with falling out of favor. Why cast the blame where it may not lie? Frankly, i don't expect an answer because none of us would know that info...”

“does bbw stand for

Big Black Woman
Beautiful Black Woman
or
Big Beautiful Woman ?

i've always been curious.”

“Bad Breath Wanker


The Democratic platform is centrist, show me how it is not.”

“From the right edge, everything looks left!

Maybe the old welfare state has been long forgotten. It's been a long time. Memory is the first thing to go.”

“Zell Miller says that he hasen't left the party, but that the party has left him.

Looking back at some of the past democratic leaders, (John Kennedy, Harry Truman) I'd have to say he may be right.”

“TreeB,

During his two terms as governor of Georgia he did such things as made tougher criminal laws, created a state lottery which funded college scholarships for students who keep good grades, and he also was heavy on welfare reform.

When he came out of retirement to fill the Senate seat he said he would…" serve no single political party, but rather the 7.5 million Georgians.". I like that in a politician. And his most recent achievements have been his support for the No Child Left Behind, drilling for oil in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge, the Patriot Act, the GOP Homeland Security Department plan, the Iraq war, and a partial-birth abortion ban. All these are things I see as important and good for the country.

It comes off looking so extreme because while he was floating to the right the democratic party was running to the left of center. The democratic party of his day actually was cetral and as it floated off to the left he didn’t go with it. His party left him as much as he left them. The old south that was always dedicated to the democrats have also swung towards the right and I feel this is a major reason Zell swung too. He represents his people, not his party. That’s why I like Zell Miller.

And his views on the election and the two runners are right on IMHO:

On the democratic party…"If this is a national party, sushi is our national dish. If this is a national party, surfboarding has become our national pastime."

On John Kerry: "You can't make a chicken swim, and you can't make John Kerry anything but an out-of-touch ultraliberal from Taxachussetts." National Democrats are "being cannibalized, eaten alive by the special-interest groups with their single-issue constituents who care about their own narrow agenda."

My name is Nigal J. McGillicutty and I approve of this message.”

“Thank you for your opinion. I can't say I share it...”

“And that's fine. I wrote them as my view and not some sort of black and white facts that can be right or wrong.

It's like giving the reason someone loves Paris Hilton. For some it's her looks and for some it's her acting abilities.









OK, bad example. LOL!”

“Zig Zag Zell:

1. Before berating Mass. for having high taxes, Zell should have taken a close look at GA first which has a far higher tax burden to percentage of income than Mass. Those increases happened on his watch. The state also receives a lot more federal dollars than it sends to the feds in contrast to Mass.

2. Despite the HOPE scholarship program, which is a good thing, GA schools are still at the bottom of the pile.”

“Someone loves Paris Hilton?”

“I went too far with the kooky -talk huh? LOL! I think it’s that little hairless Chihuahua of hers they like. What’s it’s name? Cooter?”

“Come on folks, we're ALL Americans, and since true Americans vote Republican, let's all band together and be done with this divisiveness! BUSH! BUSH! BUSH! :Þ”

“Buck, I'm an American and a Republican, and I'm voting for Kerry. Don't tell me to be done with this divisiveness!!!

I already voted for Bush once. I'm not happy with the result. My pappy's ashes are doing somersaults in the vault, but that's the way it goes.”

“Yes Geo we know! We know! You voted for Bush and won't do it again. Sheesh! I don't know which I've heard more, "I'm John Kerry and I served in Vietnam." or "I'm Geo and I voted for Bush but never again!". LOL!”

“Geobeet, it sounds like you were once a great American, you ROTTEN PINKO COMMIE HIPPIE FREAK! You're such a trader.”

“I can't count how many people I've heard say pretty much what Geo did.

I just hope the voting machines can!”