Tales of Homeland Security

“I just joined this thread and read the last few posts. Okay, as far as country people vs. city people, they each know what they should to be able to live where they are. Some city people would perrish in the country and some country people would perrish in the city. It kind of equals itself out.

My hubby was raised partly in the country and is amazed by some city stuff, and I'm amazed by some country things that I would have never known or figured out if he didn't tell me.

Do city people know what Cattle corn it? That's just one minor funny thing he told me. Farmer's plant cattle corn on the edges of their field, and city folks come up and pick it thinking it's good eating corn, lol :) You country folks know what I mean, lol.

Okay, Homeland Security, yeah, there is some, but it's two words to keep every off of anxiety medication basically. How can you totally protect a country this large?”

“I hear your point about protecting this country. We could never make it 100% safe. Therefore, we have to live our freedoms and protect our rights.”

“LH - quit thinking with reason, and vote for GWB, because if yout don't, we will be bombed again by terrorists(1). I want you to dig deep down inside of yourself, and find that woman in you that was afraid of some monster under your bed when you were a little girl, and use that mentality to vote in this election. Dumb yourself down, and vote for GWB. the false sense of security, driven by your fear, is worth it!”

“(1) - DICK Cheney”

“Buddha, I don't understand you. Where do you come up with that I have a false sense of security? You misread me. I'm saying there is only so much you can do to protect country this large, unless you are trying to make some joke I don't get. Sometimes things are misunderstood when you are posting.

I never said who I was voting for.

Also, I was never the type to be afraid of things that go bump in the night as a child. And if you could see my shooting target, and the 3 bullets within each others hole in the bulleye, you would know, I'm not scared of anything now either :)

I know more people that are scared of me, than I am of them. Infact, my sister said NY is safer after I left. I don't take #&%!$ from anyone.”

“The people who make up these states are the salt of the earth and have far more value to me than any city wanker. You’ll never find a more real bunch of people who are more willing to share themselves with others. You won’t find that kind of courtesy going to Philly or Baltimore."
Nigal
10:54:23 AM
09/27/04


Tourists in DC are always very impressed with the helpfulness of Locals (unless you piss us off by standing on the left side of a metro escalator). It's probably the only large city you can walk in with a map and not get immediately targeted.

Tourists make up a large percentage of my bars cliental and they seem to always be a hit with the locals.

I've been to many bars in cities and small towns. I like local dives the best. Only in "Salt of the Earth" bars have I felt unwelcomed at times.”

“D.C. is a great place.

There are people from all over the U.S. and the world.

My mother's family was drawn there from Chicago and my dad's from Cumberland, Maryland/Elkins, West Virginia.”

“Hey folks, when the Homeland Security blimp flies over, be sure to look up and wave.”

“Deer Traps People Inside Philly Restaurant

A scared deer trapped four people in a Philadelphia restaurant for about an hour last night, before the people escaped through a basement hatch.

"It's absolutely bizarre," said restaurant owner Naser Shaahalmi. "The most weirdest stuff I've ever seen."

The deer darted into Royal Fried Chicken, a Southwest Philadelphia fast food restaurant, at 7:15 p.m. on Wednesday. The unusual visitor quickly drew a crowd outside the restaurant.

Four people, including Shaahalmi, were trapped inside the restaurant for more than an hour. They locked themselves in a back room to stay away from the frightened deer until they escaped through the hatch.

"I was like 'open the back door,' and they opened the back door and then we ran in the back and started screaming and deer started trying to get back to the door where were at, attacking us," said Tawana Coleman. "My heart just dropped. I never seen this before in my life. It was like a dream," said Danaya Rousseau.

Police believe the buck came from Cobb's Creek Park looking for food. The park is about 10 blocks away from the restaurant.

Police say the deer was seen around the neighborhood throughout the day.

Officers say they unsuccessfully tried to corral the buck a few blocks away from the restaurant. But the deer kept running and when the door to the restaurant was open, the deer ran right in.

"I'm just relieved," said Shavon Butler. "It was a little intense in the beginning but we just sat back there, nothing much we could do but sit and wait."

The young buck was eventually tranquilized. It only suffered some scratches and was taken back to Cobbs Creek Park. Officials say the deer will be released back into the wild.”

“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601286_pf.html

Homeland security is working.”

“good, glad to see they have caught one out of how many thousands of illegals in this country. But the only reason they caught him is in the last sentence of the article

"The company reported Maawad to authorities when he didn't pay for $2,500 of merchandise it had delivered, Gulczynski said.

So if he had paid his bill they wouldn't have reported him. Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

I can only guess they knew he was an illegal because you wouldn't report that type of activity (not paying your bill) to the FBI
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“Ewker - How is homeland security supposed to work without the help of citizens? I suppose you would have given them credit if they had bugged his apartment for being Egyptian? Maybe they should track everyone's purchases and run them in a database. Wait! You're against the Patriot Act, right?”

“Good eye Ewker - conservatives foiled again!”

“Why didn't Clinton stop him when he came into the country 7 years ago?

Homeland security is dependent upon citizens to catch illegals. Unless you'd rather give up your rights.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.”

“"Homeland security is dependent upon citizens to catch illegals."

Unless of course they come from a country which your business buddies are exploiting the environment and labor in to make a profit to fill your coffers.

BTW - Citzens were "catching" illegals long before the anti-American Patriot Act was passed, in the same way this dood was caught.

"Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
--Dr. Dre”

“mountainpeak you ignorant slut, you totally missed the point. The only reason he got reported was because he didn't pay his bill. How many companies report non-payment of bills to the FBI unless THEY knew he was here illegally.
If he had paid it they wouldn't have reported him. Now that is a good citizen/company isn't it. If anything the company needs to be looked at for selling items to a person they knew was illegal.

This had nothing to do with the Patriot Act. This was about a company not getting paid.”

“Anyone else watch the news report last night about the Hurricane Katrina FEMA ice trucks being sent to Idaho and Maryland? I think it was on NBC.

Apparently, FEMA ordered and continues to order ice for the relief effort. They are apparently so uncoordinated that the ice can't be used or delivered. The report showed one guy who has so far driven his truck from the upper midwest to Louisiana, to Georgia and then on to Maryland. It has cost the federal government $9,000 on this truck alone.

Another guy drove his ice truck up to Idaho to await a future disaster.

I hope that Congressmen like John Dingell watch this whole New Orleans thing like a hawk.”

“I'm glad people are looking into this. It should be taken seriously. It hardly proves one thing or another about homeland security - or about this guy in particular. If he was Al-Qeda, he would have paid his bills or more likely, be trained elsewhere. But obvioulsy he could have had terribly destructive intentions.”

“Ewker, no need for name calling. I was not saying it had anything to do with the Patriot Act. I was saying that if private citizens did not prove the bulk of our homeland security, it would take the erosion of our rights (patriot act) to replace those citizen's actions. You can't have it both ways. How do you suggest Clinton should have caught this guy coming into the country illegally?”

“mountainpeak, don't you remember the Sat night Live skits when they did the news. One anchor would call the other the ignorant slut. Guess you're not old enough.

you are still missing the point on why this guy got reported. It was all about money. If he had paid the bill he would still have his Captain's uniform and the rest of stuff. Being a private citizen or public company had NOTHING to do with it.

BTW do you know that when you buy a house you have to sign forms that deal with the Patriot Act now. I have those papers at work. I might copy and paste what they say next week.

How do we know the Clinton adminstration wasn't watching this guy like the others who had something to do with 9-11. Somewhere between shifts of power things got lost, misplaced or disappeared. There has been lots of discussion in the past about Atta (sp). They knew/thought he was possible terrorist but neither President or the CIA/FBI did anything about it.

The only sure way to stop illegals is to close up the borders and track down every illegal in this country. Guess what that isn't going to happen.”

“For some reason I am concerned about having my neighbors or countrymen monitor my actions and report them to the authorities if they get suspicious. I understand about the need to have us all involved but I cant help thinking about the role of a Kapo in WWII prison camps.”

“I guess I'm not old enough to remember that.

I'm not missing the point. Yes, it was about money. Citizens are important for homeland security. I think I said that at least twice now.

I'm against the Patriot Act, btw. So you agree it's a bad thing when the government resorts to those types of measures? Then you should applaud what happened here with me instead of being critical.

Your idea to close the borders is a good one, but it's not the only thing that will need to be done. There are already illegals in the country, and it's up to private citizens to do something about it. Stop relying on the government to make your life enjoyable.

birch, I don't think we need to "monitor" each other, but we need to be "alert".”

“I had an "alert" neighbor at my apt. I got to spend an evening in handcuffs and be accused of being the "shooter" in an incident. His lack of observation and failure to see what happened cost me. I assure you that it wasnt fun.

Cant remember the quote exactly but it went something along the lines of "those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither". I think that applies.”

“Why people believe that only illegals or foreign nationals are the only groups that could cause harm to the US is naive. Some US citizens are the ones to watch.”

“Tim McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Kazinksi, A.L.F, SLA,JDL,DNC,RNC”

“(dupe)
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“birch: The quote is about government taking away our rights, not citizens taking away your rights. You sort of made my point by saying being held (by the government) wasn't fun. It was their job to investigate properly. They failed at that. The citizen did nothing wrong (from what you posted).
last edited: 9/17/05 7:42:31 PM”

“sarge, the citizen was an idiot and did something wrong. He reported that my neighbor and I were in a fight and that I shot at him. What happened was we were talking about the stupid kids shooting off huge fireworks in the parking lot. It was obvious what was going on since there were giant fireworks exploding in the air.
I am not going to enter into a long drawn out discussion with you, no desire or patience. Call me a hypocrite or whatever,play dumb, I dont really care.”

“birch, I can only speak to what you wrote. If the citizen lied, he should get in trouble, not you. What you are reporting here is off the topic of homeland security. This was a neighborhood dispute. Also, like I previously mentioned, if the government incorrectly treated you, that was their fault. If you want to take that incident and base your beliefs that the government should be ultimately responsible for citizen's safety, and not citizens themselves, that's very sad.

And the sarge reference is getting old, thank you. Name calling is rampant on this board. Does anybody know where there is a board where adults discuss things without resorting to childish name calling? Please advise. Thank you.”

“I mentioned that I had to sign a form to buy my house. The form is titled
"USA Patriot Act" and here is what it says:

To help the government fight the funding of terrorism and money laundering activities, Federal law requires all financial institutions to obtain, verify and record information that identifies each person who applies for a loan. (Guess it applies to all loans than just a house loan)

Effective October 1, 2003, we are required to document your full legal name, address, date of birth and other information that will allow us to identify you.

As such, please verify the information listed below and sign stating that the information is accurate.

That info includeds borrower/'s name, current address, Social Security number and date of birth.


Most of that the government already has but with any loan you have to list all assets and debts. Not only list but tell where it goes to. Now the goverment has that info unless they already had it.”

“Ewker; I'll have to ask my brother in law if he had to sign such a form to get a car loan.”

“‘Our nation is still vulnerable’

Government has missed dozens of security deadlines since 9/11


By The Associated Press


WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has missed dozens of deadlines set by Congress after the Sept. 11 attacks for developing ways to protect airplanes, ships and railways from terrorists.

A plan to defend ships and ports from attack is six months overdue. Rules to protect air cargo from infiltration by terrorists are two months late. A study on the cost of giving anti-terrorism training to federal law enforcement officers who fly commercially was supposed to be done more than three years ago.

“The incompetence that we recently saw with FEMA’s leadership appears to exist throughout the Homeland Security Department,” said Mississippi Rep. Bennie G. Thompson, top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee. “Our nation is still vulnerable.”

(snip)

http://www.wvgazette.com”

“LOL. He's part of the leadership which he says is incompetant. Maybe he should resign.”

“How is a Democratic congressman a part of the Bush Administration?”

“I didn't say he was part of the Bush Administration. The reported from the AP mentioned that.

I said he's part of the leadership which he is criticizing. He's on the committee.”

“A government agencey missing a deadline? Holy shlt that's never happened before!”

“Maybe we should rely on the government less for stuff since they're unreliable?”

“No, sitting in the dark bltching about the lights being out's way sexier.”

“Mississippi Rep. Bennie G. Thompson, top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee.

Thompson is from a extreme gerrymanned district in MS designed to give a supermajority to black Dems. That's OK, all they gerrymanned was most all the Dems out of the other 3 districts. Gene Tayor in my district doesn't count. He's the only conservative promilitary, prolife, Dem left.

Isn't something similar to this that Tom Delay did in TX? Double standard? Nawwwwwwwwww.... ;-)”

“Policing Porn Is Not Part of Job Description
Montgomery Homeland Security Officers Reassigned After Library Incident

By Cameron W. Barr
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 17, 2006; B08

Two uniformed men strolled into the main room of the Little Falls library in Bethesda one day last week and demanded the attention of all patrons using the computers. Then they made their announcement: The viewing of Internet pornography was forbidden.

The men looked stern and wore baseball caps emblazoned with the words "Homeland Security." The bizarre scene unfolded Feb. 9, leaving some residents confused and forcing county officials to explain how employees assigned to protect county buildings against terrorists came to see it as their job to police the viewing of pornography.

After the two men made their announcement, one of them challenged an Internet user's choice of viewing material and asked him to step outside, according to a witness. A librarian intervened, and the two men went into the library's work area to discuss the matter. A police officer arrived. In the end, no one had to step outside except the uniformed men.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/16/AR2006021602066_pf.html”

“What is the world coming to when a man can't use taxpayers money to get his rocks off watching (child?) porn on public library computers in view of children and women?”

“buncha damned idiots with 'badges', I'd say. So much for the 'rookie phase'.........”

“I'm pretty sure one is not allowed to get their "rocks off" in a library.

In any case, how is that a HS issue? Is it Terror porn?”

“Funny, the only place I see "CHILD" porn mentioned is in Prosecutor's post. Propagandist!”

“Goodness! I hope they didn't stumble onto my naked buttocks, which seem to be available on every other website in the universe. If they had, I'm sure they were having a bit of hand to gland combat, if you know what I mean. The thing that really chaps my ass is that I don't get a penny in royalties.

Bastards!
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“Did they have holsters with bibles next to their guns?”

“Child porn is porn. Unless the article was specific as to the sex acts and ages, no one will ever know if the offender was watching child porn or not. That is why I put in the "?".

Using common sense, the person was watching the pornography for his personal pleasure as opposed to doing academic research. As to whether his pleasure rose to the level of him having an orgasm, the news article is silent. One is left to speculate. I have seen enough successful prosecutions of persons using pornography in public settings to assist in having an orgasm to think that it is not idle speculation that if left unchallenged, that is a resonable possibility.Good use of taxpayers money, don't ya think?”

“I think you need some other hobbies!”

“Good use of taxpayers money, don't ya think?”
prosecutor
12:22:50 PM
2/17/06

he was using his share of taxpayer money ;)”

“Since the police came. One can assume nothing illegal was being done, no?

Still begs thge question, doesn't it?”