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What's that sound.. ??

Oh, I'm sorry -- it's just Edwards being SHREDDED by Cheney.

;)

Edwards vs. Cheney: Focus to be on Iraq
Battle lines set for tonight's vice presidential debate

By MICHAEL KRANISH
THE BOSTON GLOBE

WASHINGTON -- Four years ago, the moderator of the debate between the vice presidential candidates asked Dick Cheney this portentous question: If Saddam Hussein were found to be developing weapons of mass destruction, would a Bush-Cheney administration feel compelled to "take him out"?

"We might have no other choice ... you would have to give very serious consideration to military action," Cheney responded. His challenger, Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, agreed -- and even suggested that the matter ought to be left up to a president and not debated in "the heat of a political campaign."

The exchange over Iraq got relatively little notice because it did not represent a conflict between the candidates. But now Cheney's prophecy is at the heated core of this campaign, and the Democratic vice presidential nominee, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, is expected to try to use the debate to define Cheney as the architect of an Iraq policy. The candidates hold their sole debate tonight in Cleveland.
TownDawg
7:31:27 AM
10/05/04

You think Grandpa Grumpy is going to win this one?? He will probably tell him to go "Cheney" himself when Edwards tries to shake his hand. If that is what you mean by "winning" then, yes he will.
Doomadanisscaryandcreepy
8:03:15 AM
10/05/04

hehe... well trust me.. I wanna see Edwards slay him.. but I just don't think you can swap experience that readily for 'guts and want to.'
TownDawg
8:05:20 AM
10/05/04

Given Edwards background as one of the MOST successful trial lawyers, Cheney will have his work cut out.

OTOH Edwards has no say in the jury selection for this one.
manuka
8:16:03 AM
10/05/04

Cheney has to be careful not to overdo it. His popularity is not even as high as Bush's is, so he has the potential to turn a lot of people off. On the other hand, he also can't sit back and be a nice guy, considering the position their ticket is in right now. So, he has no choice but to be the attack dog, but moderate it a bit by taking a little of the edge off. Can he do it? We'll find out tonight on the next episode of "As The Mud Flies"!
Treebleeding
8:31:46 AM
10/05/04

I don't think it's going to be all that exciting myself. Cheney will answer every question with, "Go phuck yourself!".
NigalKrueger
8:50:23 AM
10/05/04

lmao, Nigal!!!
Treebleeding
8:52:44 AM
10/05/04

If Edwards recent speeches are any example he does not stand a chance.
bbw
10:34:03 AM
10/05/04

Riiiight.
DeadRush
10:36:27 AM
10/05/04

hMmm... have not heard him lately.. was impressed with him at the convention.. but this will be intresting tonight I think..

How's the moderator.. I forgot who it was.. its the PBS girl. right?
TownDawg
10:38:25 AM
10/05/04

While Edwards may have an upper hand being a trial lawyer, he’s not arguing for something important like a big cash settlement for himself and besides, Cheney is possessed by a major demon of some sorts so he will have a beguiling power in his favor.
NigalKrueger
10:41:04 AM
10/05/04

Also, no one will hear a word Edwards says because they will be hypnotized by that gastly mole on his lip.

MOLEY! MOLEY! MOLEY! BLOODY MOLE!
NigalKrueger
10:46:24 AM
10/05/04

It'll be fun, hard to figure out exactly what the dynamic will be with Edwards, he seems to always wanna be the nice guy, Cheney is very good at sitting down (this is a sit down at the table one right?)and sounding much more moderate than he is, he's also great at attacking without sounding mean which is something he did to perfection against Lieberman. I seriously doubt this one will move any votes though no matter who wins, I suppose if Edwards wins by a large margin it could solidify some of those people who thought Kerry won the first debate but hadn't chosen to actually vote for him yet. I don't know that if Cheney wins, even be a wide margin (which I think he will) that there's much upside in that for Bush.
Bison
10:46:27 AM
10/05/04

again, Cheney will need a leash...
Treebleeding
10:50:28 AM
10/05/04

It should be interesting I think, I think this one has more factors in it than the Presidential debate.
Lets hope for Cheney's sake that he manages to control his temper.

There's so much that Cheney can be attacked on that it should prove interesting.
Y2
10:58:03 AM
10/05/04

ya.. for real... I see in Cheney's future a little discussion about Halliburton, and how it plays into the Iraq crisis.
TownDawg
11:06:56 AM
10/05/04

His insistance that Iraq was involved in 9/11, halliburton, his consulting with only energy companies in relation to energy policy, his relationship with Scalia (sp?), Halliburton.... the list goes on.
Cheney is an arrogant basatd, it'll be nice to see him brought down a peg or two.
Y2
11:15:03 AM
10/05/04

Why do liberals always want to hammer away at the Haliburton thing? Go do some digging and take a look at the number of no bid contracts Klinton gave Haliburton.
NigalKrueger
11:23:58 AM
10/05/04

oh.. I don't really care that it was given to Halliburton.. it's the exclusivity that ticks me off.

Why can't anyone else bid on the construction work?
TownDawg
11:29:26 AM
10/05/04

Because when it comes to certain jobs there IS no one else.
NigalKrueger
11:31:29 AM
10/05/04

Especially when you are still collecting that "deferred" money from them!
Treebleeding
11:33:14 AM
10/05/04

Whatever. We all know that monopoly is bad.. mMmmk? How else can we guarantee adequate competition, and honesty?
TownDawg
11:38:51 AM
10/05/04

So in the end we have an oil man who worked for (gasp!) an oil company, and they (gasp!) paid him. Said oil company has contracts with the government (always have always will). Said oil company doesn’t have the best track record of doing a great job. The whole situation was investigated, no? Was Cheney found guilty of any illegal activity and formally charged? No?
NigalKrueger
11:39:17 AM
10/05/04

I'm off to the debate. I'll be the guy begind Wolf Blitzer taking a piss on some shlep carrying a Bush/Cheney sign.
Buddha Bear
11:41:47 AM
10/05/04

Do we need to revisit when Ma Belle got broken up? We’ve been getting screwed by multiple companies every sense. LOL! Sometimes the scope of a business nitch is so small there isn’t even anyone to compete with.
NigalKrueger
11:42:48 AM
10/05/04

I predict Cheney will come off looking Presidential and Edwards will come off looking like an ambulance chaser.
bbw
12:09:41 PM
10/05/04

There were a lot of expectations before the first debate, too.
Treebleeding
12:11:43 PM
10/05/04

Seriously, though. It's hard for me to have a gut reaction. We are all aware of Cheney's resume in government. Will he be able to find that happy medium between attack dog and not pissing people off with stupid comments like, "we may get attacked if this man gets in office?" On the other hand, I have never seen edwards in a situation like this. Can he pull it off. The material is there. Has he been able to polish his act up to sound convincing to the point where he can tear Cheney up and not sound too negative? Lots of people doubted that Kerry could do it and he DID IT. So, we shall see...
Treebleeding
12:15:56 PM
10/05/04

heh.. nigal.. whatever comrade.

;)
TownDawg
12:16:51 PM
10/05/04

"Lots of people doubted that Kerry could do it and he DID IT."

Anyone who thought Kerry couldn't debate is just kidding themselves. We also have to remember, debates are a lot different than campaine speeches. That's why they fell so flat in the first debate. Everyone expected guns ablazin' and it wasn't.
NigalKrueger
12:18:24 PM
10/05/04

Das bi-don-ya TD! :)

I'm tellin' the Party on ya btw!
NigalKrueger
12:20:58 PM
10/05/04

Nigal, I think it's not that Haliburton is winning contracts, but the extent of them and thier highly profitable nature that raises issues.
Y2
12:21:30 PM
10/05/04

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