BIbler or Hilleberg: help me decide

“HEy guys,

Looking to get me first 4 season tent stictly for use in the snow and on the high mountains.

PRetty much narrowed it down to either the BIbler Tempest or Nammatj 2. It will be strictly for backcountry skiing camping and mountaineering use.

Help !!!!!!!!!! :)”

“If you want a vestibule the Hilleberg has a nice one included.”

“double wall , single wall? they are two different tents. both top notch. i used to own a hilleberg. good tents.”

“Pennsy owns both (yeah, real shocker there). Hopefully he'll see this thread and chime in.”

“Love my Hilleberg, thoroughly recommend it - never used a Bibler though.”

“I'm happy with my Hille Akto.

A couple of friends are using the Bibler Black Diamond and seem to like them so far, but I haven't heard any heavy weather stories yet. It looked pretty good to me. Plenty of head room, but to short to lie down. Not the tent for anybody over 5' 10"”

“Artex (that wise guy) is partially correct. I do own a Bibler and a Hilleberg, but not the same models. I have the I-Tent and the Akto, both rock solid 4 season tents. I've used both in winter conditions with temps well below zero. Both manage condensation pretty well. Both are quick set-ups. One of the features I like about Hilleberg tents is the option to leave the fly and ground sheet attached to the body.

The I-Tent is NOT for anyone over 5'9" but the Tempest looks to have more legroom. It looks like the Tempest has 2 doors like my I-Tent. That will be a plus for ventilation. I know you said you're looking at primary winter use, but the Bibler should rock in the summer with the 2 doors, if you go that route.

The Hilleberg can be used with just the fly, giving it some versatility. I've been doing that lately since bug season is over. Saves a bunch of weight and gives me some extra room.

The Nammatj is a few pounds lighter than the Tempest if that is a factor, but the Tempest has more head room. The Nammatj is non free standing, which makes the Tempest an easier set-up in the snow.

I was pleased with Bibler (Black Diamond) tech suppost when I needed it. I snapped a pole (my error) and they sent me a new ine free of charge. I haven't had to use Hilleberg tech support yet.

In other words, either tent will be a good choice. Flip a coin, or be like me, go in debt and get both.”

“I have a Bibler I tent, can't say enough good. I "evaluated" a Hilleberg, meaning I ordered one & set it up in my backyard... for various reasons decided on the I tent instead. I can't say anything bad about the Hilleberg, I just preferred the Bibler & am very satisfied w my decision. It's been through everything imaginable... I bought primarily for Sierra's, but of course used at the coast in high winds,; also sleet, rain, etc etc etc., I'll take this tent anywhere!”

“Imo, if the tent was to be used as a 4-season winter tent in the high mountains, my decision would be the tent that is freestanding, double-wall, can take snow-load on the top and sides, can at least sit up in if not kneel, and has a vestibule. Those would be attributes I'd desire, but frankly, I'm not sure which tent would fit those criteria.”

“Frankenbooder, Why would you select a double-wall over a single wall?”