Sometimes America Scares Me

“How can the heartland be concerned with the rest of the country & the world? The poorest counties in the Nation are in the heartland, top two in Kansas, I believe.

Yet, these farmers who have lost the farm vote overwhelmingly Republican.

Why? Somehow they are convinced the GOP is "morally superior" to the DEMs and better to be on welfare with the GOP in control than have a job and someone of "low" moral standing as your Congressional Rep or Prez.

What happened to all the progressives? The heartland was a hotbed for progressive movements. Apparently, They moved out of the Heartland,

The last and complete Brain Drain.
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“The pendulum will swing back...it's just going to take a long time. Meanwhile hang on for a wild ride.

I have a feeling that Kerry is going to be glad he didn't win.

Good luck W.”

“BM - could you elaborate on the Einstein reference.”

“Einstein? Who's talking about Einstein?

Oh yeah. it might take a while to find a source. I remember reading about it though. Einstein tried in vane to rework his own equations that were concluding what he did not want to believe. In the end, he could not refuse his own data.

Like I said, this might take a bit”

“I'm asking about the conclusion. Are you saying he later said that God didn't exist?

btw, what field are you in?”

“wow, this threads still goin?

i've kept the ol' fuego unchecked lately but i caught this on the right side.

anyways, i was taught that when einstein made the "dice" comment he was speaking spefically about schrodinger's electron cloud orbital threory - which is generally accepted by chemists today.”

“also, i don't think einstein ever conceded, he went to his grave believing in bohr's model, though all tests (including his own) point to schodingers.”

“So anybody who lives in the heartland, believes in God or votes wrong (by your definition) is ignorant. I guess I know how you feel since I feel that those are the only people that have it right. I feel your pain.

Now I have to wonder, do you have the character to go out for the next 4 years and try to make this country even better, or are you going to whine and pick and try to destroy it? You don't have to answer. I have a pretty good idea what you would say.”

“DH - He always believed in God, but conceded the "dice game".

sacco - I'll look for the concesion and I studied Molecular Orbital Theory, not an easy way to get introduced into Quantum mechanics!

NP - who you talking to?”

“The people on this thread who think they are somehow superior because they don't live in the heartland, and therefore aren't braindead.”

“You're stereotyping. One only does that if they think they are superior, no? ;)”

“Not stereotyping at all. I was referring to posts above.”

“bmag - my chem knowledge is pretty basic. i just thought i remember learning about einstein/dice thing when we were going over the various orbital models.

noprob - i'm not superior to anyone cause they live in the heartland.
i'm superior to them b/c they're idiots.


i keed ;)
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“If you say so. I will bow to your superior knowledge.

The question remains, with all your brillience and knowledge, do you have the character to go with it? Or are you going to spend the next 4 years whining and trying to destroy?
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“People who live in DC are probably the biggest idiots.”

“i love how when repubs are in charge they have this "love or leave it" attitude.

"support your president if'n you ain't a commie basturd"

"criticize the gov't? you must hate your country"

all those ideals seem to go out the window when a dem. president's in charge.

so i guess my answer to you noprob is :

yes. i'm going to spend the next for years trying to destroy your country.

please. give me a break. now i remember why i unchecked the fuego box.”

“And another thing! NP - I feel anyone who doesn't make 6 figures should not be a Republican, no matter where they live.

It just seems, and stats may show it, that a disproportionate number of poor people who vote Republican are in the midwest.

Maybe not idiots, but certainly misguided.”

“I fail to see much of a difference between Republicans and Democrats.”

“I'm with ya on that one, LZ. That's why I miss those brave progressives from the Midwest......which haven't been seen in my lifetime?”

“Truth revealed: http://objective.jesussave.us/kangaroo.html

Kangaroos of the Middle East
Article by Dr. Richard Paley
Middle Eastern Kangaroos:
A kangaroo

Did Kangaroos once live in the Middle East?

Like most people who have been indoctrinated by the secular media, your answer to this question will probably be:

"No, of course not! Kangaroos live only in Australia."

But is that really true? Let us think about this a little more deeply using a proper Biblical perspective. Ask yourself these questions:

* Do you believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of the Lord? ("Yes.")
* Do you believe that the Lord brought the flood waters to the Earth and that all animals wherein the breath of life resided save those which Noah brought aboard his Ark were destroyed? ("Of course, that follows from your first question since the Bible tells us that this is what happened.")
* Do you believe that kangaroos were amongst those animals aboard the Ark? ("Yes. Even though they were not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, they have the breath of life and so clearly two of them must have been aboard the Ark. How else would they be alive today?")
* Do you believe that, after the flood waters asswaged, the Ark came to rest in the Middle East? ("Yes. The Bible says it came to rest on Mount Ararat, and while the exact location of Ararat might still be the subject of debate, it is clear from the later descriptions of Noah's generations that it must be somewhere in the Middle East.")
* Do you believe that the animals aboard the Ark exited it from where it rested, and that they must have spent some period of time in the Middle East? ("Yes. The Bible states that the animals went forth out of the Ark, and they must have spent time there either when taking up residence or in traversing the region to get somewhere else.")
* So then, did kangaroos once live in the Middle East? ("It is clear that they must have. There is no other sound, Biblical explanation!")

The Postdiluvian Earth:
Postdiluvian Earth c. 2100 BC, showing kangaroo migration path

Prior to and just after the Flood, the Earth's continents were joined in a super-continent today called Pangaea (Greek for "all Earth"). Evidence for this comes from the jig-saw shape of the continental plates as well as Biblical evidence. The Bible tells us that when God created the Earth it was without form (Gen 1:2), meaning that the land wasn't yet broken into distinct continents and was one amorphous mass. Also, God tells us that He gathered the waters under Heaven unto one place (Gen 1:9), meaning the single Ocean surrounding the super-continent. Animals leaving the Ark immediately after the Flood would have had easy access to migrate to all the lands of the Earth. (There is also an alternative theory that some kangaroos and other baramins destined for Australia "rafted" across the Tethys Sea on floating mats of vegetation ripped up by the Flood. However, this is still controversial.) Pangaea gradually started to break apart after the Flood, most likely due to the effects of rapid soaking and drying of the land.

As you can see, the logic is inescapable -- Kangaroos must have once lived in the Middle East. Any claim that they didn't must then be treated as refuted. But still there are questions that are left to be investigated. For instance: why are there no kangaroos left in the Middle East? how come we do not hear of kangaroos in the histories of the region? and how did the kangaroos get to Australia?

First, let me point out that the word "kangaroo" was coined by the Australian Aborigines after both they and the kangaroos had migrated to the Australian continent (which, at the time, was still indirectly connected to the Middle East, see inset). The word kangaroo means "I don't know" in Aboriginese. The story goes that when the first modern Europeans arrived in Australia, they saw a large hopping animal and asked one of the natives what it was called. "Kangaroo [I don't know]," he responded. It is understandable that he couldn't name the animal since his people had lost all knowledge of their Biblical heritage and thus would not have known the name given to the animal by Adam (Gen 2:19). Obviously, the peoples of the Middle East would not have called these animals by the name "kangaroo", and so the naive assertion of Biblical skeptics that since the word "kangaroo" is absent from the ancient Middle East so too must the kangaroo be, is patently absurd.

That kangaroos are not mentioned in the Genesis account of the Flood, either by name or description, is unsurprising due to the great number of kinds of animals that were in the Ararat area at the time. What's a kangaroo or two among a great throng of pandas, mastodons, velociraptors, and giraffes? It is also likely that the kangaroos only spent a relatively short time living in the Middle East, needing to leave with greater haste than other animals in order to reach their appointed destination before the breakup of Pangaea (see next section).

However, evidence of the kangaroo's migration through Europe can be found in the reports of satyrs. Satyrs, which many believe to have been strictly demonic in origin due to the goat like features attributed to them by Pagans, were actually a conflation of demons and kangaroos by the ignorant Pagan natives of Greece. It is easy to see that the well-known features of satyrs -- two-legged, upright stance with elongated metatarsi; hirsuteness; a tail; long, pointed, horn-like ears; long or bearded face -- closely coincide with the general kangaroo body form. The more goat-like attributes, such as cloven feet, were no doubt due to confusion in the wine-addled minds of Dionysian cultists between kangaroos and the demons that the cultists consorted with, which manifested in goatish forms.

Furthermore, satyrs are mentioned in the prophesies of Isaiah as properly translated in the KJV, and thus we do find kangaroos in the Bible. Isaiah prophesies the destruction of Babylon, warning that it will not be inhabited, but that "satyrs shall dance there" (Isa. 13:21 -- note that "dance" here is economically translated from the Hebrew raqad, which has a fuller meaning of "to skip/spring about or to leap"). This prophesy proves that at least some kangaroo stragglers could still be found in the Middle East up to the fall of Babylon in 539 BC.

For more on kangaroos, see:

* Kangaroos, Dinosaurs, and Eden (Ken Ham, Creation Ex Nihilo magazine)
* The Kangaroo - Outside Australia? (Ken Ham, Christianity.com radio program)
* Australia's Amazing Kangaroos and the Birth of Their Young (Creation Ex Nihilo magazine)
* Answers About Kangaroos (ChristianAnswers.net)

Migration of Kangaroos & Other Marsupials:

Kangaroos were not the only marsupial kinds that once lived in the Middle East just after the Flood. In fact, they all did, along with all the other animal kinds that we see today. The current bio-distribution is due to migrations outward from Mount Ararat and subsequent local repopulations and micro-evolving (i.e. degenerating) inside of the kinds.

Why did marsupials all go to Australia? The Lord wanted the animals of the Ark to spread all over the Earth and repopulate it (Gen 8:19), but to have them all just spread willy-nilly would have caused chaos. Clearly, God must have guided groups of animals to assigned areas of the globe, thereby facilitating a quick and efficient repopulation. Marsupials were assigned Australia, and so that is where they went. They didn't stay in the Middle East because that area was assigned to other kinds. Why did the Lord choose Australia for all the marsupials? Only He can know His own mind on that subject. However, not all marsupials made it to Australia before it broke away from Pangaea around 2000 BC. The stragglers -- mainly the slow, dim-witted opossum kind -- can still be found in North and South America, bearing witness to the great postdiluvian marsupial migration. (Those unfortunate to have been stuck on Antarctica when it broke off and moved to the extreme South most likely froze to death.)

A naive question that a Biblical skeptic will often ask is: "How could Koalas have lived in the Middle East if there were no eucalyptus trees there?"

The answer to this is simple when we remember that the Lord's creations were created before the Fall and that their current physiological state is the result of the degeneration (due to the effects of entropy) of their original, more informationally-complex genes. In the Garden of Eden, koalas ate of all the trees (save the Tree of Knowledge, of course) not just eucalyptus trees. The two koalas who were aboard the Ark must have not yet degenerated to being only able to subsist on eucalyptus and this state of affairs must have happened after they migrated to Australia. Early Middle Eastern koalas would have been happy to munch away on figs or the like.

For more on postdiluvian bio-distribution, see:

* How did animals get from the Ark to isolated places, such as Australia? (ChristianAnswers.net)
* Catastrophic Plate Tectonics”

“Polar bears were originally from the Middle East?”

“Very interesting Ped!

What about penguins?”

“why i hope you're not making fun of this controversial issue, Ped!

"asswaged," that's a new one on me.”

“I think there are some warm weather penguins.

it definitely must have sucked for Polar Bears!”

“and wooly mammoths”

“I think the woolies were in the North and missed the boat. That's why they are extinct now.”

“

Hey baby! is that a penguin or are you just happy to see me?
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“Little puzzled by the velociraptors on the Ark.

Velociraptors were on earth in the late Cretaceous period 70-85 million years ago.

There is this theory that they were extinct before man was on earth. The earliest fossils relating to possible evolutionary humans is about 6-7 million years ago leaving a small 63 million year gap.

However the creationist explanation is that as God made the Earth, he/she/it also made it complete with fossils clevery constructed to appear many millions of years older.

Either way it is illogical for velocirators to have been present on the Ark.”

“velociraptors on the Ark, LMAO!!”

“That's why unicorns are extinct. ;) They missed the boat, too.”

“See the vast array of evidence supporting evolution is just a trick to test your faith.”

“Check out: http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html

Especially for the creationist Q & A, again, this is not a (intentional) satire!
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“I think Ped meant "assuage" - to make something less burdensome or painful. I'm guessing that "Asswage" is either when you bet your ass on some dumb bet, or the wages you would pay your donkey.”

“hahaha!! that is the best, ped. "Jesus wants us to be hot for him"...totally normal!”

“i looked it up, it's a variation on the spelling of "assuage." a funny one!”

“That's actually a myth, Ruby. God found out the unicorns were in cahoots with the snake so turned them into:




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“LMAO, Nimblefoot! Asswage: the wages I pay my donkey”

“Hey Ruby, your on that site that Ped posted above. Open it and scroll down, you'll see! Ha Ha!”

“No ruby, it is the wages you make with yo ass”

“Actually manuka, there are creationist that insist that man and dinosaurs co-existed and point to a few Biblical passages as proof.

I attended a ‘Bible believing’ church for years. Over time, I came to realize that many members had overcome various drug addictions. I’d have to think that Dr. Richard Paley swallowed a lot of acid early in life.”

“Ruby the Lioness. I'll take that. ROAR!!

Actually, I prefer purring.”

“Actually, I prefer purring.”
Ruby
12:44:21 PM
1/06/05


must resist.”

“LOL!”

“V, I still have my addictions, coffee, alcohol, 'Realm of fire' DVD., belief in the capitalist system, the list goes on ...

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

--Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson”

“I know Lyra - it's funnier than the Landover Baptist (which is a satire).”

“Maybe there were 4 arks...north ark, east ark and so on..... Well, there are alot of animals.”

“I think the extinct ones are the evil ones that God deemed unworthy to save.”