GAY and cheating

“For those that were interested in the topic of men on the low down, there is a Ophra show today on married men cheating with gay men. I don't know if these are really the "low down" type of men, which are ones that don't go to gay bars or places to meet other men.

Ophra is on channel 5 in WA at 4pm. Also, the show is repeated here at 7pm on our channel 6, then she has an "after the show" at I think it's 10pm on Oxygen on channel 50 where she takes audience questions.

I like the After Show, because the audience can ask questions to her guests that she is too polite to ask.
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“I am a heterosexual. The low down theory is so ridiculous. Heterosexual men are not attracted to other men I don't care how horny they are. It is like being hungry and saying, "I am going to eat sand, because I don't want to go to the grocery store."”

“Does prison count?”

“I am confused as to what the point of this thread is.
are you anti gay?
or are you anti cheating?”

“I thought this was lips' coming out thread.”

“Um, if a guy is cheating on his wife (which is wrong in any case) with another guy, I'm assuming he's acutally gay, and not heterosexual. Thus, the title of the thread.”

“I guess.
just trying to understand if she is saying it is worse if you are gay. who the heck cares. cheating is cheating.”

“"...I'm assuming he's acutally gay, and not heterosexual....”
Scary Girl
1:24:41 PM
10/27/04

Could be "bi", I guess. Not that there's anything wrong with that....”

“Is this a question for Mrs. McGreevey?

She's moving out on Jim, by the way.”

“Morticia, I'm against cheating, but it is definetly worse if your husband cheats with a man. Your risk of getting aids is greatly increased.

warewolf, all men are gay in prison, lol, or shall I say "practicing gays". Well, actually, it depends how long your sentence is.

Violin, LMAO!!!!!!”

“Should the wife get JEALOUS or MAD?”

“stanlee, I would get an aids test, that's what I would get!”

“lipstick, where to you get your infomation regaurding Aids?
there is the same risk of getting it no matter if you are with a m/f”

“Morticia, are you telling me that aids in is not higher in the male gay community than amongst straight women?”

“all men are gay in prison, lol, or shall I say "practicing gays".

i hope that was a joke. i know many guys who have been in prison (a few of my clients at work) and they are not gay nor were "practicing" during their sentence.”

“ScorchFire, I was just kidding by saying all men in prison are gay, but I do know from correction officers that "some" straight men most definitely have sex with other men if they have long sentences.

Maybe it's not the case with your friends, but if it were, it's not like they would share that information with you or share if they were raped.”

“you'd be surprised what the mentally ill share with someone they trust.”

“"IT'S A MAAAAAN'S WORRRRLD!"
-James Brown”

“Make it stop !! Turn Oprah off and go for a hike.”

“'I'm against cheating, but it is definetly worse if your husband cheats with a man.'

lipstick hiker
3:39:46 PM
10/27/04

I am completely befuddled by why it is worse if your hubby is cheating on you with a man. Cheating is cheating.

However Lipstick, if your hubby is cheating on you with another man and you didn't know he was gay or bi, you've got bigger problems.

I also thought lipstick hiker was telling us she is gay and is cheating.”

“ScorchFire, are you saying that your clients or some of them are mentally handicapped that went to jail? When I say handicapped, I mean retarded as opposed to mentally ill with bipolar disease etc.”

“lip, did you post this thread to get a flame war going?
hope not.

not all gay man have aids
not all men with aids are gay.
not all men in prision are gay.”

“I'm so afraid of HIV, I won't even watch VH1!”

“Morticia, you forgot the following:

not all people with AIDS are men
not all people with AIDS are gay
not all men in prison have AIDS

etc...”

““ScorchFire, are you saying that your clients or some of them are mentally handicapped that went to jail? When I say handicapped, I mean retarded as opposed to mentally ill with bipolar disease etc.”

Like I said before I work with people with mental illnesses... mentally ill meaning people with Bipolar Disease, Schizophrenia, Depression, Personality Disorders, Dissociative Diseases, etc.
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““ScorchFire, are you saying that your clients or some of them are mentally handicapped that went to jail? When I say handicapped, I mean retarded as opposed to mentally ill with bipolar disease etc.”

Like I said before I work with people with mental illnesses... mentally ill meaning people with Bipolar Disease, Schizophrenia, Depression, Personality Disorders, Dissociative Diseases, etc.
last edited: 10/27/04 4:40:14 PM”

“either way, what does that have to do with the issue?”

“not all people with AIDS are men
not all people with AIDS are gay
not all men in prison have AIDS






not all people with AIDS are men
not all people with AIDS are gay
not all men in prison have AIDS

LOL I said the same thing.”

“ski,I'm not sure if you saw my post about I would worry more if he was cheating with men because I would worry about aids which is more prevelent amongst gays.

Also, I would not beat myself up for not knowing he was bi. People can be very sneaky. As you say, cheating is cheating, and whether they sneak around with a guy or woman, it's not always easy to find out unless, you see it, hear about it from someone, find a clue or see suspicious behavior.”

“What Lippy is try to say is some married men evidently like to suck dick or give or take it up the ass. Why she feels compelled to start the thread is beyond me. Maybe something is going on at home?”

“yea i'm confused as to why the thread was started lol”

“Oops, I didn't know you could post "suck dick" and it not end up %^&#$#&*%”

“hey get in line, i was confused first.

i just noticed a pattern with lippy. sometimes she like to get flamming threads going.
I guess it makes the day more interesting.
ok well have fun and try not to kill each other.

lip, i hear what your saying. i may not agree with you, but i do hear what you are saying.”

“ScorchFire, why do I bring up the mentally ill? Is that your question? I brought it up because you intimated that they would be likely to share gay activity they may have had in jail. Excuse me if I misunderstood what you are saying, but that's what it seemed like by your post about mentally ill people sharing.

I asked what kind of mental illnesses, because there is a big difference between a retarded person, and a person with bipolar disease etc.”

“ok for the record, I work in Greenwhich Village, gay capitol of the world.

all the gay men I have met and have been friends with, are the biggest braggers LOL now I am talking real flamming drag queens. I love them, they are so colorful :)”

“MM
...and they probably feel as much remorse for sucking a dick or taking it up the ass as most women posting to TT, yes?

edit note... replace remorse with "guilt"
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“I thought Key West... oh never mind.

edit note Key West = Gay capital of World
clarrification for MM
last edited: 10/27/04 5:00:53 PM”

“WTF?

umm ok now I am confused beyond anything.

limpy what are you trying to say hmmmm?”

“i implied nothing of the sort, lippy. you had said that even if the people who i knew that were in jail did get raped by a man they wouldn't tell me.

i simpley stated that you'd be surprised with what people with mental illnesses share with people they trust. i didn't say that WOULD tell me but they do share a lot... in general, more than the average person.”

“I started the thread, because there was another thread where men on the "down low" were discussed. People were asking if it was a black thing. This show will give you an idea exactly what it is if this type of behavior is discussed and who does it.

I'm not flaming at all. I'm not putting down gays or women for not knowing their guy is gay and cheating. It's just a human interest topic. If this issue does not touch your life and you know nothing about it, this show will clear things up and make you more knowledgeable.”

“Oh. Never mind, then.”

“lippy, this is the second time i have seen you type something about blacks. ok i am leaving this thread before I get myslef into trouble.

oh and by the way.
I do not think by watching Oprah will make me more knowledgeable about anything.
I dont watch day time tv, it is all jerry springer in my book.
now give me a good horror movie any day of the week.”

“maple, go home and stop posting already lol”

“ok i will go ya in a min.”

“MM is a "goer, eh?" wink, wink, nod, nod.
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“mapes. my phone is waiting.”

“ScorchFire, if you are a counselor, I can see mentally ill people sharing with you, but otherwise, mentally ill people still feel shame of being raped and know if they do have sex with males, it's still something that is very private.

I don't know. Maybe mentally ill people share more with you, but I still think sex is another issue, not readily discussed. If you do know bi-polar people, you would know that they tend to "act out" sexually, therefore, making them more prone to having sex while in prison.

I can accept you opinion since you say you have experience with the mentally ill, but they are just a part of who is in jail anyway.”

“So, San Francisco isn't the gay capital of the world any more? I need to call my gay friends and tell 'em they're not doing enough PR....”

“Morticia, I did not say anything against blacks, just that someone said they were known for this "low down" activity. I don't believe it is the case, so you are WRONG, and just made up what you said because you like to make up lies. You can get counseling for your lying. If there is an Ophra show on liars, I will let you know to tune in so you can find help for yourself.

As far as NY and gays, if you think that they are all in Greenwhich Village, you are WRONG AGAIN, lol. Maybe you should see more tv or get out more, because the Village has all types of people. Earth to Morticia, gay people live in all parts of NYC. Your average gay professional would not live in the Village with the kids that wear 10 earrings in one ear, and one through the lip and one through their eyebrow, and have wierd colored hair. You don't know what you are talking about. For you non New Yorkers, the Village has a lot of kids and people that like to dress funky. It's not all gay. She can try to pass her WRONG info off on people that don't live in NY, but she can't with me.”

“actually the info I heard awhile back was that HIV is showing up in mostly middleaged STRAIGHT folks...that the homosexuals were being very careful...( I heard it from a health dept person)..something to look into I guess.....”