Kerry Wins!

“the link I posted earlier today showing the electoral vote per state is still holding true. here is the link again http://www.electoral-vote.com/pred/index.html”

“Ewk - is it possible that they haven't updated? I don't see a time stamp on the site...”

“Arkansas votes for the President.”

“Q, that was the predicted final results dated Nov 2

the swing states are the main ones, according to that map Kerry loses Ohio and Wi but wins Florida.

Only time will tell how accurate that chart is..so far so good”

“Thanks, Ewk. I thought it was an updated thing. Like a tracking poll.”

“Update this, biotch!”

“Sorry Libs. How long 'til Buddha's head explodes, I believe Nigal predicted 20 seconds after Bush would declared the winner in Ohio.”

“Buddha failed to carry Ohio? What a shocker. The dude lost touch with reality a long time ago.”

““I promised - no gloating.”
VioliN
4:37:00 PM
11/02/04”

“Let's get this party started!!!”

“Head intact. Get ready for 4 years of fun!”

“Buddha Bear, are your communist handlers pissed off at you? Did their favorite Useful Idiot let them down? Are you on the run?

BWAHAHAHAH!!! You lose, and your socialist ideology loses!!”

“yet, Bush only has 269. I don't think this declares him the winner.”

“Time to buy into reality Laqtis, I just hope you don't hold on longer than Kerry, who I suspect won't hold onto the fantasy too long.”

“Bawhahahahahha!”

“I thought the headline read "DEWEY WINS!"...”

“This thread looks kinda silly now, doesn't it? ;-)”

“The mountains of lies posted by Violink, the abuse of Phaedrus, and the insanity of Buddha Bear, may seem funny, but these guys are seriously out of touch with main stream America.”

“BBW too true, the fact is that Bush got reelected, and republicans got more seats in both houses, that is reality. That is what the majority wanted. A flat out rejecting of liberalism.”

“I'm still stunned the majority bought into the lies and bad policies (environment, economic, education, war, etc.) for four more years. Bush's own camp admited long ago that scaring the public enough would sway them their way.

It worked.”

“This is a snippet from an e-mail my wife sent to a friend.

"One student, nice woman (maybe not too sharp), asked me why I had voted for Kerry. I told her that I was in opposition to the war, there were no weapons of mass destruction and that I had participated in the international march against it in February of 2002. I told her that I was worried about the connection of the Bushes to the Bin Ladens. I told her that I was worried for my two friends who are in the publishing business and had been gainfully employed for over twenty years apiece and who have found themselves out of work since July. I told her that I was worried for their children who do not have health insurance. I told her that I was worried for the two young people I know who are in the Marines and overseas along with my Army guy's son and Kim's nephew who is to be deployed before Christmas. I am awed by my neighbor who lost her son in March and still makes it to the marches, the rallies and the polling place. I told her that I was in opposition of "No Child Left Behind" as it would certainly leave one of mine behind if I allowed it. I mean when the Terra Nova people filled in the bar graph with his comparative scores, they wrote that he had achieved mastory. Jesus, Christ, don't they have spell check on their computers? I told her that I was worrying about the economy, energy and the environment. I told her that I was worried about the man I met at BJ's Wholesale club (A self described lifelong Democrat buying provisions for his nephew in the Marines because he wasn't getting what he needed from my government. He bought canned tuna and baby wipes.) who was voting for Bush, "the lesser of two evils." He thought we should "nuke 'em". He should really read Reading Lolita in Tehran. I told her that my children were quickly approaching eighteen. I told her that if we didn't pull it together there would be no escape.

And when I asked her why she voted for Bush, she said, "I don't like Theresa Heinz Kerry." There's an issue. I hate outspoken women, don't you? I walked out of the room. To throw up."”

“It may indeed turn out that Kerry "won". Things are a mess and let W try to clean it up.”

“"I'm still stunned the majority bought into the lies and bad policies (environment, economic, education, war, etc.) for four more years. Bush's own camp admited long ago that scaring the public enough would sway them their way.

It worked."

techntrek
7:14:47 AM
11/04/04

It's a shame that many will not understand what has really happened here. Their is a version of reality that liberals like to call the "Truth," they don't understand that just because they say something is the truth doesn't make it so. In the Red states this liberal "truth" is called "lies" and I suppose vice versa for the red "truth" in the blue states. A majority of the people in this country believe in a "Truth" that is vastly different from yours. You can whine all you want about why they believe that, but those who believe differently from you can also make up plenty of reasons for why you would vote for Kerry despite all of his "lies."
last edited: 11/04/04 7:46:23 AM”

“FOUR MORE YEARS! You need a bag? I think their is still a need for human shields out there.”

“Very true. He may be very happy in 2 years that his isn't the one in office. All of B's bad policies must come back to bite all of us some time, and it'll be sooner rather than later.

The economy/job market will continue to tank.
We will have another terrorist attack on home soil.
The environment will continue to be more heavily polluted.
There will be no beginning of a solution to the staggering energy crisis (we will be out of oil within 100 years!).
Plenty of kids will be left behind because there still isn't funding for it.

Unfortunately whomever we get in 4 years will have an even bigger mess to clean up - literally and figuratively.”

“Economy - Please! Look for yourself.
Terrorist Attacks--You think Kerry would be better for this! Come on! Lets fight a more sensitive war? Ha
Environment - We do need more parking and besides we still have a lot of resources left to use.
Kids left behind - Well the world needs ditch diggers too.

In all I think you will be please these next four years. America needs people like you to pick up garbage on the side of the road. And remember "FOUR MORE YEARS!"
last edited: 11/04/04 8:02:07 AM”

“Bison, its been proven by our own troops who have searched far and wide that there were no WMD. Documents released to the public prove that the White House knew this ahead of time.

Scientists agree we will be out of oil within 100 years. That means no gasoline, no home heating oil, a lot less propane (most propane is made from processing oil), only synthetic lubricants for machines. The entire world economy will go into a depression so deep it will make the 1930's in the US look like a Presidential inaugural party. There will be mass death. We need to start on renewable solutions NOW.

Islamic nations continue to be pissed off at us more and more, only provoking the terrorists more.

No Child Left Behind hasn't been funded, so lots of children are left behind (my wife is a teacher, she sees this first-hand).

All these points are fact, not red or blue "lies" or opinion.”

“"Documents released to the public prove that the White House knew this ahead of time."

This is where you get into complete idiocy, I can only assume that you are referring to the leaked intelligence estimates.

You could easily say that other intelligence estimates prove that there were WMD there (Including many estimates that went into both sides of the issue for and against). In which case if we hadn't gone to war you could make the exact opposite argument, Why haven't we done something about this when documents that the White House has prove that they know that Saddam has the weapons.

I find it hard to believe that some people who don't look into the issue fully and only accept one side of the argument without even giving the slightest lip service to the other side, thereby denying the reality that there is another equally compelling side to the argument. That these people call those who would vote based on the other side of that argument unsophisticated. Ridiculous.
last edited: 11/04/04 8:20:41 AM”

“"You could easily say that other intelligence estimates prove that there were WMD there...."

But there weren't......the administration buggered-up, made a mistake(yeah, right), blew it, bungled, got it wrong......

There is no accountability, no admission of doing the wrong thing.”

“There were many at high levels that told him Iraq wasn't even close to being a threat. Bush made it clear even before 9/11 that he was going after Iraq one way or another during his term. He ignored all those people and used the few "positive proof" reports he had to create a reason to finish his Daddy's war.

And what about the oil crisis, or education, or pissing off the Islams? It will be hard for our children to be productive members of society when they have no education and society is crubling around them due to oil shortages (and resulting price spikes), and with terrorist strikes every week.

The oil issue is much bigger than all the others. In the first 50 years as oil becomes more scarce its price will go up. That will make it more expensive to move all materials anywhere - food prices, lumber prices, not to mention gas prices all will spike incredibly. Lubricating oil will become scarce or too expensive for all the machinery in all the factories everywhere. This will devastate poor people here and whole poor nations all over the world. Then in the next 50 years there won't even be enough oil for those that can still afford it. Mass starvation. Economies ground to a halt. We'll be back in the 1800's technologically.

And what is Bush's energy proposal? Boost the oil industry so it becomes even more integral to how our society functions. Sure, he is pushing hydrogen (a little). Guess where most of that will be made from? Oil.”

“"And what about the oil crisis, or education, or pissing off the Islams? It will be hard for our children to be productive members of society when they have no education and society is crubling around them due to oil shortages (and resulting price spikes), and with terrorist strikes every week."

You forgot the HUGE national debt that may well cripple the economy for the next generation.......my kids and yours.”

“Bison, basically it comes down to whether you believe there were WMD in Iraq or not. If you want to believe they were there fine but to insult people because they don't believe they were there is ridiculous.

Based on the information that came out originally we were told WMD's existed in Iraq. This information came from US intelligence reports. Bush, Kerry and the vast majority of Americans believed it. But as time went on it turned out to be false information.
Personally, if the President and everyone else who thought the WMD's were there said, we made a mistake!! it might have been a lot better than still trying to persuade the American people they had WMD's.

IMO if Bush had said we are invading Iraq to stop the genocide that would have been different. I even think you mentioned something about that in another post. Only problem with that is we are allowing genocide to take place in other parts of the world where the US has no interest (oil).”

“MarkO - sorry for the omission. That is another very valid point, although I sort of roll that up under the "economy" umbrella. Big enough to stand on its own, though.

Ewker - yup, very sad to see the genocide being reported elsewhere right now. Almost too bad there isn't oil there to give us the excuse to get in there. :-(”

“Wait, didn't W say they had the intention of pursuing WMDs and a nukler capability, or somesuch?

We all know he HAD poison gas, he used it in his own country. But did he have more than, say, Denmark?”

“The "genocide" in Iraq occured years ago, it was not on-going.

Most of that went on during the war with Iran.

Most certainly Hussein was having political enemies killed regularly, but the slaugter of Shiites happened right after the '91 war and of Kurds and Iranians a few years earlier.”

“Guys...this has been done to death. No one is going to change anyones minds.

This is like the "My Gods better then yours" thinking. The answers will come to us when we go to the "next place"





....and we cant leave "this place" alive.

There's gonna be a lot of surprises for us all ;-)”

“Someone just sent me this...

”

“MarkO, a lot of the genocide took place after the Gulf War when Bush Sr was in office. Instead of going in and taking out Hussein Bush Sr let him off the hook (bad mistake) Hussein started the genocide against the Kurds right after that because of them helping us. We didn't storm in then to help.”

“....the coveted position of jury foreman

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/23/kerry.juryduty.ap/index.html”

“If my lawyer didn't object to having a former prosecutor on the jury, I'd be pretty upset.”

“"prosecutor" in this case should be used loosely”

“I was wondering that myself.
How does a guy with his professional background make it through the jury selection process?”

“Yeah, but he served in Vietnam. I think I heard that somewhere.”

“LOL”

“This has to be the funniest thread ever. The loony libs claiming victory only to have it snatched out of their dirty hands by the voters of America. What an ego deflator.

My favorite post was from my favorite poster, Buddha Bear. Calling in sick tomorrow, because he worked too hard today. Classic abuse of the system.”

“bacpac - Just read threw this. LOL! This is classic.

My personal favorite:

“I wonder if GWB will be as classy as his dad in his concession speech. When Clinton won, Bush Sr told those who were booing to stop and let the winner have his night...”
Treebeard
1:43:16 PM
11/02/04”

“"Although I have tried to resign out of protest, I will be forced to participate in a war that is manifestly illegal. As the order to take part in an illegal act is ultimately unlawful as well, I must as an officer of honor and integrity refuse that order." - Army 1st Lt. Ehren Watada

I wonder why Kerry didn't take a stance for his beliefs too... He admitted to commiting war crimes, but I guess he was ok with that.”

“My favorite post on trailtalk is on this thread ...

“I wonder if GWB will be as classy as his dad in his concession speech. When Clinton won, Bush Sr told those who were booing to stop and let the winner have his night...” - Treebeard 1:43:16 PM 11/02/04

(he decided not to follow-up on that comment later in the thread)”

“Hindsight ain't 20/20. Hindsight is funny as hell! LOL!”

“Hee Hee Hee...”