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I only forgive women and only if they apologize with a roll in the hay.
Bearmagnet
12:17:47 PM
11/18/04

" What about when you forgive someone and then they do it to you again. Forgiveness the second time around is next to impossible for me. That's why I'm going through a divorce right now.”
Indiana John
12:00:24 PM"

Forgiveness is one thing. Pretending it never happened and letting yourself get bit the same way, yet again is another.
pedxing
12:17:58 PM
11/18/04

Sorry Twig, i had other things I wanted to post to John, but I accidently hit send and has been busy for the last 15 minutes.
Wounded Knee
12:20:21 PM
11/18/04

Is forgiveness accepting them for who they are or what they did?
nimrod
12:24:35 PM
11/18/04

I agree - forgiveness is good and life is too short for bickering!
twigeater
12:32:15 PM
11/18/04

Forgiveness is one thing. Pretending it never happened and letting yourself get bit the same way, yet again is another.”
pedxing
12:17:58 PM
11/18/04


oh yeah, I agree with that too!
twigeater
12:33:53 PM
11/18/04

I forgive twigeater, Mapes, and lyra, for being so wonderfull. ;-)
GROUP HUG!!!!!!??????
StoveStomper
12:39:18 PM
11/18/04

I forgive Mr Heaven for being such a stud muffin, LOL...
Hug me!
=D
twigeater
12:43:34 PM
11/18/04

Now, now, this is a serious thread, we don't need to go making it unserious.

Do we?
bitpusher
12:43:54 PM
11/18/04

Serious thread? What site do you think you're on bit?
Bison
12:45:55 PM
11/18/04

SS, is such a suck up
Ewker
12:45:58 PM
11/18/04

Please have a seat by the fire Mr. Bitpusher and share your feelings.
Wounded Knee
12:46:03 PM
11/18/04

I have some forgiveness issues to work out, but not with anyone on this board.

I was lucky in high school. Being 6' as a freshman usually keeps the bullies off you.
Junior high was another story, but I made it out okay.
bitpusher
12:48:07 PM
11/18/04

SS, is such a suck up”
Ewker
12:45:58 PM
11/18/04


a toe sucker? big or leetle? left or right?

LMAO
twigeater
12:48:22 PM
11/18/04

I was 5'2" and weighed 75 pounds my freshan year.
Wounded Knee
12:50:29 PM
11/18/04

I remember seeing freshmen that small, some even smaller.

You should have wrestled! You'd have been alone in your weight bracket.
bitpusher
12:53:04 PM
11/18/04

Toe sucker? After backpacking with them toes? Y'all CRAZY! Thanks but no thanks,
not that there is anything wrong with that. ;-)
StoveStomper
12:54:44 PM
11/18/04

I did!

The wrestling coach convinced me to join the team in 8th grade. I was even lighter then. I went the entire season undefeated (never wrestled once).

I stayed on the team my freshmen year and wrestled only once (only true victory I ever had).

It got old and I was tired going out to get my hand raised for something I did nothing to accomplish.
Wounded Knee
12:57:09 PM
11/18/04

I guess that would suck.
bitpusher
12:58:53 PM
11/18/04

It kinda did. I got my name in the paper a lot.
Wounded Knee
1:01:30 PM
11/18/04

Thereby making yourself a target for a crazed assassin? (a la The Jerk)
bitpusher
1:03:40 PM
11/18/04

Thanks for this thread, Pedxing. I don't have any TT issues to forgive, as I've not been around long enough or hiked with enough feller TTers to take anything personal. However, this got me to thinking about other issues, and lo-and-behold, I did need to let go of something.

Knee - hehe, while I wasn't a bully, I was a HS jock/football player. Outta my way, you skinny little freshman! :)
T Mac
1:05:07 PM
11/18/04

lol TMac. Stuff him in the locker!
Indiana John
1:09:27 PM
11/18/04

No No...not the locker again!!!!!

That happened twice to me.
Wounded Knee
1:10:42 PM
11/18/04

We had really small lockers at my high school, so freshmen wouldn't fit in them.

And no, I never tried, so I have no experimental data on this.
bitpusher
1:11:57 PM
11/18/04

I bet I could have fit!
Wounded Knee
1:13:16 PM
11/18/04

There was no way I was fitting in any lockers in junior high & high school; I was the fat kid.
lumberzac
1:14:42 PM
11/18/04

I dunno, they were only like three feet high and 10 inches wide. They were really small. Freshmen and sophomores had to share lockers too.
bitpusher
1:14:49 PM
11/18/04

Lockers are dark inside. And the latch will not release from in there. Don't ask me how I know. Ahh those were the best times of our!
LtHiker
1:18:55 PM
11/18/04

???WHA??? is going on here ?!?!?!?!?!?!

bobo crawls back into his hole....
Capn Bobo
1:23:18 PM
11/18/04

p.s. Dr. McGillicuddy kicked zac's @ss!!!!
Capn Bobo
1:24:15 PM
11/18/04

Zac, you were fat? Holly cow ! You are as skinny as me.
Wounded Knee
1:26:33 PM
11/18/04

It is easier to forgive after first getting even.
bonecrusher
1:44:23 PM
11/18/04

HUH?

I am all ears boniepooh..
mapleleaf
1:47:38 PM
11/18/04

“Zac, you were fat? Holly cow ! You are as skinny as me.”
Wounded Knee
1:26:33 PM
11/18/04
ignore this user


When I graduated high school I weighed the same as I do now, but I was about 6" shorter.
lumberzac
1:50:08 PM
11/18/04

This thread has developed in an interesting and thoughtful way. How unusual.

Forgiveness doesn't see to be a particularly issue for me.


If someone does me wrong, but in an incidental way, that I can explain through issues they may have going on, I tend to write their behavior off to whatever isues they may have, and move on. This encompasses 95% of the trespasses against me during my life.

If someone overtly, deliberately does me wrong, or does wrong to someone I care about, I simply don't forgive them. They become a non-entity. A non-person.

Its that good New England upbringing. None of this is discussed with the trespassers of course. I simply make decisions myself and move on.
lee
1:56:38 PM
11/18/04

Its that good New England upbringing. None of this is discussed with the trespassers of course. I simply make decisions myself and move on.”
lee
1:56:38 PM
11/18/04


LOL...I tried...hehe...but them damn flatlanders don't get it!
twigeater
2:04:48 PM
11/18/04

Ha Ha! lol
Wounded Knee
2:05:38 PM
11/18/04

“And here's a thought on forgiveness. What about when you forgive someone and then they do it to you again. Forgiveness the second time around is next to impossible for me. That's why I'm going through a divorce right now.”

If someone standing next to me on the street hits me in the head with a 2x4 and then says, Sorry. That was wrong.”. Fine you are forgiven. Will I stand next them again? No. that’s not forgiveness, that’s gullibility.


“Is forgiveness accepting them for who they are or what they did?”

This is why I feel forgiveness is something that needs to be asked for. If some screws you over and doesn’t ask for forgiveness yet you forgive them they have learned nothing. Asking forgiveness involves examining yourself, recognizing you have done wrong to someone, and then asking their forgiveness. It’s the process of repentance.
Nigal
2:07:10 PM
11/18/04

I was lucky enough to never have been bullied in school.
I hope all the kids in my class forgave me by now.

as for me in general (not TT related)?
I am pretty bad about the whole forgivness thing...hard for me to forgive, but I'll do it eventually. (after 10 years or so)
I forgive, but I NEVER forget. Meaning I won't be stupid enough to trust that same person a second time.
last edited: 11/18/04 2:15:28 PM
Gemini
2:13:38 PM
11/18/04

OK i feel like some of you think I just stood by and let something happen and then happen again. It really wasn't like that at all.

This was something I struggled with for a long time. There were many discussions, many repentences, and a (what I thought was a)genuine effort to change and move on with our life together.

I was obviously wrong and I got burned. And worst of all now a child is involved. But I don't think I was gullible and naive about it. It was a conscious decision based on a lot of discussion and thought.
Indiana John
2:18:11 PM
11/18/04

Some people have a hard time with forgiveness.
As I mentioned earlier, I had a hard time forgiving people I went to high school with. After that event in my life, it became easier. It ate at me for 10 years and I had had enough. If I remember right, I was saying all the way to the reunion that I cannot wait to see what these guys are doing now. I cannot wait to rub in all my success.

I came away that night a changed person, for the better I feel.

Hell, even the class hottie came up to me to talk. She was a struggling actress and wanted to know if I need talent for any of the documentaries I was directing.
Wounded Knee
2:24:03 PM
11/18/04

Casting Couch!

Casting Couch!
Bearmagnet
2:25:52 PM
11/18/04

You must be a very good person indeed, if you didn't take advantage of that opportunity!

Class reunions are strange occurances. I went to my tenth, didn't go to my twentieth. The 25th is coming up in a couple of years. I dunno if I'll go or not.
bitpusher
2:26:04 PM
11/18/04

Bit - you mean WK? I see nothing in his post indicating whether or not she got an "audition".
Bearmagnet
2:27:53 PM
11/18/04

i love my class reunions. They normally always schedule one if I visit Germany.
Gemini
2:29:08 PM
11/18/04

True, but he did have his wife with him, so I assume....
bitpusher
2:30:57 PM
11/18/04

my gf tells me that my best quality is my forgiv-ability.

i think it's easy to forgive someone who wrongs you. forgiving someone who wrongs a loved one is a whole different ball of wax though
sacco
2:32:34 PM
11/18/04

BM, no audition. If anything I would have used her as a voice over for the water doc. I was working on. I was looking for a female with a higher voice though.

I got 5 years until my 20th. Haven't decided if I will be attneding that one.
Wounded Knee
2:33:03 PM
11/18/04

That is more difficult, sacco.
bitpusher
2:33:05 PM
11/18/04

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