Red State 'Values'

“violin ... phaedrus ... same difference”

“Kleetn's gonna be pissed!”

“Who's Kleetn?”

“SELMA - Alice Mehaffey's dance moves at a talent show won't cost her the principal position at Selma Middle School.
[...]
Some community members were outraged by Mehaffey's dress and behavior. Mehaffey wore short shorts, was picked up by a male student, was handcuffed by a male student pretending to be a police officer and tore the T-shirt off a male student during an encore of the songs "YMCA" and "Macho Man."

Mehaffey could not be reached for comment. She also serves as assistant superintendent of the school corporation.

Selma resident Bonnie Swingley said she hopes Mehaffey has learned a lesson from the incident. Swingley's granddaughter attends Selma Middle School.

"Everybody makes a mistake, but that was really so seductive to the kids," Swingley said.
[...]

http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/3/041939-3503-004.html”

“BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (AP) -- Serial bomber Eric Rudolph, who pleaded guilty to avoid a possible death sentence, may have had a better chance than he realized to beat the rap, according to a new book by one of his victims.

The account by Emily Lyons says federal prosecutors staged four mock trials as they prepared for his trial in the bombing of a Birmingham abortion clinic -- and Rudolph was acquitted in three of them.

Lyons says in the book she co-authored, "Life's Been a Blast," that the mock juries failed to convict Rudolph because someone felt the victims "got what they deserved because they worked at an abortion clinic."

"I couldn't believe that they would let this guy go," Lyons said in an interview with The Associated Press.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/20/rudolph.ap/index.html”

“LINCOLN, Neb. -- A 22-year-old man faces criminal charges in Nebraska for having sex with an underage 13-year-old girl, although he legally married her in Kansas after she became pregnant.

The man's lawyer said the couple, with their families' support, "made a responsible decision to try to cope with the problem."

Matthew Koso, 22, was charged Monday with first-degree sexual assault, punishable by up to 50 years in prison. He was released on $7,500 bail pending an Aug. 17 preliminary hearing.

After the girl became pregnant, her mother gave permission in May for Koso to take the young woman to Kansas, which allows minors to get married with parental consent. The girl is now 14 and seven months pregnant.

"The idea ... is repugnant to me," said Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning. "These people made the decision to send their ... 14-year-old daughter to Kansas to marry a pedophile."

continued...”

“Adult Obesity
Ranking (Highest
to Lowest) by State


1 Mississippi
2 Alabama
3 West Virginia
4 Louisiana
5 Tennessee
6 (tie) Michigan
6 (tie) Texas
6 (tie) Kentucky
9 Indiana
10 South Carolina
11 Arkansas
12 Georgia
13 Ohio
14 Oklahoma
15 Pennsylvania
16 (tie) North Carolina
16 (tie) Missouri
16 (tie) North Dakota
19 Alaska
20 (tie) Iowa
20 (tie) Nebraska
22 (tie) Kansas
22 (tie) Illinois
22 (tie) Virginia
25 Minnesota
26 South Dakota
27 Delaware
28 Wisconsin
29 (tie) Washington
29 (tie) Maryland
31 California
32 (tie) Maine
32 (tie) Nevada
34 New York
35 DC
36 Oregon
37 Idaho
38 Florida
39 New Mexico
40 (tie) New Jersey
40 (tie) Arizona
42 Wyoming
43 New Hampshire
44 Utah
45 (tie) Montana
45 (tie) Vermont
47 Connecticut
48 Rhode Island
49 Massachusetts
50 Colorado

http://healthyamericans.org/”

“I thought we were number two after Wisconsin! Hey things are getting alittle better around Michigan. It'll probably get worse again though, Golden Corral just came to the state.

That's a pretty nifty link. It's interesting to compare the spending and rates of disease in your state.
last edited: 8/25/05 7:57:18 AM”

“(9/19/05 - MUNCIE, IN) - Residents of a southwest Muncie neighborhood thought the 110-year-old former school with purple doors had been vacant these past 14 months. So neighbors were surprised to find out the building which was last used as a bingo hall is home to one of Indiana's seven swingers clubs.

"I thought it was empty, to tell you the truth," Mary Neal, who rents a house across from the club, told The Star Press. "That shocks me. I'm just floored. There are a lot of kids that walk around here."

Swinging involves having social and sexual intercourse with someone other than a spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend. It primarily involves couples.
[...]
The club is open two days a week and has pool tables, a dance floor, a six-person hot tub, a multiple-person shower and "sensually designed theme rooms," according to its Web site.

Klub Layden is open Friday and Saturday nights, and advises its members to bring their own alcohol and contraception. The club provides sheets, bathrobes and locker rooms.

An annual membership costs $25 for couples and single men and $20 for single women.

Members must agree to not identify others or their experiences at the club, without permission.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=bizarre&id=3457841”

“This was posted last week, I think.”

“how many swingers clubs do blue states have?”

“Three.”

“LIBERTY TOWNSHIP - A late-night bar fight last month could lead to charges against three Butler County Republican Party members, according to the Butler County Sheriff's Office

Central Committee Chairman Quentin Nichols of West Chester Township, Executive Committee member Sean Maloney of Liberty Township, and Central Committee member Timothy Dearwester of Liberty Township allegedly assaulted a bartender at Putter’s Tavern & Grill at 6575 Cincinnati-Dayton Road about 12:15 a.m. Oct. 26, according to a complaint a bartender filed with the sheriff's office.
[...]
The bartender told police when he approached the trio about a damaged advertising sign in the men's room, it led to an altercation after one of the men made sexual remarks about the female owner of the bar, according the report.

After he told the men to leave, "All three males got on top of him, punching and hitting him with a chair," an officer said the bartender told him.

The men continued the brawl outside, where a bench was broken. The damage of the sign and bench totaled $500, according to the report. The bartender sustained minor injuries.

The three men drove off in Nichols' Hummer, leaving Nichols' credit card behind, before police, according to authorities.

Neither the three GOP members, nor the bartender, could be reached for comment Monday.

http://www.journal-news.com/hp/content/news/stories/2005/11/07/hjn1108putters_s.html”

“I understand New Jersey is busy electing a Republican Governor today.”

“No. Corzine is a Dem.”

“And a fine example of the Democratic Party he is.”

“Don't look at me.

I voted the Socialist Worker's Party ticket.”

“Don't knock Corzine, or Tony and the Boys will be by to see you!”

“Oops, forgot. Oh, well, them people back there don't know where Oklahoma is. It isn't on their maps.
last edited: 11/08/05 12:04:14 PM”

“Y'all notice how the libbies are throwing hissy fits right and left nowadays?

Their buddy France is in flames, Delay and Rowe are still laughing at them, and Bush is running circles around then with the Supreme Court.
Almost enough to make you feel sorry for them.”

“The charity index shows who gives and who can afford to give. I don't think any of the red state people are surprised by the list.

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?”

“You mean surprised that they all rank last in the "having" category? Maybe those in the Blue states actually "have" more so they don't need more. And maybe they have more because they value education, community, libraries, etc.

If you want to brag about and keep giving through your "charity" (in which the majority of funds go toward running the darn thing), go ahead, pat yourself on the back. I'll continue to give through taxes that provide programs that keep people out of need. No need for a pat on the back here, to me it's because I actually give a damn about my neighbor, and view him/her as equal to myself.”

“I could not have made my point better than you did, Buddha. Thanks.”

“ And maybe they have more because they value education, community, libraries, etc.

This inane elitism is what gives liberals a bad name. I usually refrain from psychoanalyzing over the 'net, but Buddha Bear seems to be one hateful, bitter little guy (which of course cracks me up).”

“http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-11/bc-nro111405.php

And back to work I must go.”

“Spin, spin, spin, go the libbies.”

“Liberials rarely put their money where their mouth is.
Elitism ...... libbies hate the poor.”

“good reply, SS.


"Incidentally, the Catalogue welcomes the news that the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College will conduct, with Boston Foundation funding, a thorough scientific study of charitable giving in relation to wealth in Greater Boston, Massachusetts, and New England, all in comparison with other regions of the country. Since 1997 when we first introduced the Generosity Index as, in our words, “crude but telling,” not as science but only as information for public-awareness purposes, a summary of the best available data on giving in relation to income, we have repeatedly called upon the academic community to provide better numbers — the rigorous data and analysis philanthropy needs. We therefore await the results of the BC study with great interest and grateful enthusiasm." --Catalogue for Philanthropy”

“And the full BC report

http://www.bc.edu/research/swri/meta-elements/pdf/generosityreport.pdf”

“Poor and lower middle class people have always been more charity minded.
I've seen this first hand at work during the United Way drives.
The lowest paid people give way more than the highest paid.
Check your own companies if you don't believe me.”

“United Way Giving

http://www.tbf.org/indicators/civic-health/indicators.asp?id=945#”

“Of course I'm talking about the working poor.

I myself received many hot meals from The Salvation Army after the hurricane flooded my house.
And just for you libbies, I know this is your main concern with the Salvation Army, no religious talk was included.

My donations to the SA thru the Unitied Way will increase greatly this year and I urge you others to consider them as well.
They were the first here. Long before the Red Cross peeked in.”

“I also give money to the Salvation Army - they are cost effective and go where the need is.

I'm certainly not at odds with the notion that people who have had to struggle financially are more generous with their money. I put a few struggling souls to work helping me paint my house and find out that while they have work, and I was surprised to see how generous they were with other people.

I don't know how relevant either version of the Philanthropic index is. I don't see what the Philanthropic causes are that are being given to: are they political, religious, educational, or???. I also don't know who it is in each state that is donating the money.”

“So the conservatives are going to completely ignore the facts and keep repeating their baseless rhetoric.

According to the data the libbies are giving quite a bit.”

“I guess you are right BuddaBear. I am a moron.

Okay, I really will be getting back to work.”

“It sucks to be so embarassed, doesn't it mjc? ;-)
Poor Mississippi beating Massachusetts, oh my. ;-)

While you guys are busy playing with numbers, please rethink your giving.

Oh, and giving money to a political party isn't charity.”

“mjc, just ignore BB. His 140 IQ beats all of us mere mortals. ;-)”

“SS my moron comment was out of context, but thanks for your sympathy anyway.

Yes, Mississippi is doing so well compared to MA. I should really pack up and move to that #&%!$hole. I was born in FL and lived in TX before moving to MA. I am happy to be out of the belt.

Catalogue for Philanthropy has repeatedly called upon the academic community to provide better numbers — the rigorous data and analysis philanthropy needs.

Do the numbers confuse you? Have you read the report? BC is a religious organization and the report was welcomed and called for by Catalogue for Philanthropy. As soon as you hear the facts you say, "oh no, my poor little head cannot handle all the number".

Maybe this will spurn you to argue fact. I doubt it.”

“Oh, and giving money to a political party isn't charity.”
StoveStomper
9:56:33 AM
11/22/05
ignore this user

Is it counted in the study Bacpac links to?”

“#&%!$hole, et?
Name calling doesn't improve a debate.

Says a lot about you. Goodbye, you aren't worth my trouble.”

“"Poor and lower middle class people have always been more charity minded."
StoveStomper

I'm reading a book, the story of Woody Guthrie, about him being a hobo back during the depression.
The first lesson he learned was to avoid the fancy houses when looking to work for food. The poor folk kept the hobos alive.”

“Oh, poor SS. Skipping around the facts doesn't improve the debate.

“Liberials rarely put their money where their mouth is.
Elitism ...... libbies hate the poor.”--SS

Don't the republicans chide the Libbies because they want to give too much to the poor?

Are you aware of the current tax cuts and social program cuts by the Republicans?

Why are feelings so easliy hurt around here?”

“Good link mjc.

Since this data all comes from tax returns, isn't it also possible that red staters are more apt to lie on their returns about their level of charitable giving?”

“Another hypothesis would be they under-report their income - as more income comes from the "informal" economy.

Still, I know a lot of big herted people from Red States - some of whom vote Republican.”

“Stove - I see you've experienced Matt, the out of context prick. He'll say anything (about you) to win an argument.”

“Hello Sarge. Welcome. Please help old SS out.”

“What did I say about SS, and where is the argument against the Generosity Index flawed?”

“will do

Hey SS, check out how mjc cut these sentences in half to make how point. This is classic faaaaaaar-left propoganda ba-by.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/32225,5,1.php”

“What did I say about SS - mjc

Who were you talking about when you wrote this:

As soon as you hear the facts you say, "oh no, my poor little head cannot handle all the number".

Maybe this will spurn you to argue fact. I doubt it.

(watch him NOT answer truthfully Stove, even though he's clearly busted ...)”

“Seriously, I thought liberals were all about peace and love. When did they turn so mean and hateful and patronizing? Was that in the Reagan years?”