Red State 'Values'

“I’ll stick up for you guys when people characterize you as toothless, shoeless, trailer-dwelling hillbillies and you stick up for me when I’m characterized as a God-hating, latte sipping, flag-burning hippie.”
VioLiN
3:17:21 PM
11/22/05

You drink latte?”

“I'll tell you about some Red State values. Yesterday at Kiwanis our speaker was from the Rainbow Omega organization. I like that imagery. End of the Rainbow...pot of gold... Anyway, it's a fellow who was a missionary. His youngest son was born mentally retarded. After several years in Haiti he decided it was time to come home. He said that one thing folks worry about when you have a special needs child is what happens when you're gone. What happens when you and your spouse die? Would you want your child in an institution? He decided the answer was no. He raised funds, bought land, and built buildings. He hired social workers and nurses and other care givers. They now house around 70 adults from the early 20's to the early 80's. They have 5 greenhouses to grow plants so that the people work and earn money. The group also gets a portion of the profit to help their own funding. It was a very moving talk. The man was very gentle and low key. This was not a solicitation of funds type of thing so please don't try to turn this into a slave labor for gain thing. It was a concerned man who went out and did something. I was truly touched.”

“Can't you see these figures indicate that a whole bunch of people in the bible belt give a bunch of cash to their local churches

Stereotype much?”

“Now mutt, you know libbies don't stereotype.
I think it's by definition, like Black people can't be racist.
LOL”

“of course, how foolish of me, SS. LOL”

“Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. There are many nice people everywhere. There are also many horror stories. It amazes me how so many of you continue to argue this Red vs. Blue thing but avoid discussing facts.”

“There are nice people everywhere. I totally agree and was not sharing my "anecdotal evidence" to say one is better than the other. This is the thread where generosity was being discussed so I passed along a timely story. Sorry you couldn't see the compassion throught he debate. Are you always this antagonistic or did we catch you on a good day?”

“yes, it was a very foolish thing to say. Stovie, as always, is more interested in saying libbie this or libbie that than actually trying to contrubute anything to the debate. Maybe he needs to concern himself less with what the libbies are saying, espeically since at the moment they don't control any branch of Government at a national level.

I don't know Mutt, that's not really a stereotype is it?

1 Utah 79.60% 1,371,000
2 North Dakota 75.90 485,000
3 Rhode Island 75.10 754,000
4 Alabama 70.70 2,858,000
5 Louisiana 70.10 2,959,000
6 Mississippi 70.10 1,804,000
7 South Dakota 68.10 474,000
8 Oklahoma 66.50 2,097,000
9 Minnesota 64.20 2,807,000
10 Wisconsin 63.90 3,125,000”

“Muttley proves to be an intellectual Belgium yet again.”

“What do the numbers represent?
last edited: 11/22/05 4:53:50 PM”

“I mean i think "faith-based" giving is great, but it does go on things like church maintenance and salaries as well as more traditional definitions of "charity", like giving directly to the poor, of the Red Cross, or Tsunami appeals or whatever.”

“Christian church adherents were defined as "all members, including full members, their children and the estimated number of other regular participants who are not considered as communicant, confirmed or full members."

it's from 1990 though.
last edited: 11/22/05 4:56:23 PM”

“Sorry Dayhiker.
If you read my little peace of the thread you will see where I showed the error in the first study done by Catalogue for Philanthropy. Then you will see how no-one is able to refute it but instead the arguments is libby this, libby that, followed by anecdotal stories. Your little story was yet another piece of anecdotal evidence in the RED State values thread; which implies that these are not Blue state values; which is being proven wrong; causing a lot of whining and rhetoric; which is causing me to be antagonistic.

I think this is a good day. On a bad day I would not bother. Only when my spirits are high do I waste my time here”

“Interesting that RI is that high. That's not intended as a slam, just that the percentage is so different that surrounding states. I wonder why that is?”

“Well, in that case I totally understand how it looked like I was implying that this was not something that could/would happen in a blue state. That was not my intent. I'm not debating at all. Just passing a story along that I heard first hand. It could have and likely has happened in every state in the country.”

“I guess regular churchgoers would be more useful, but I'm not finding that easily, and I can't be bothered just to make Mutt look foolish yet again.”

“I'm not sure dayhiker, I just figured the smaller states were quirk of the stats.”

“No problem Dayhiker. Sorry for being snappy. It is fun for me you know.

And Y2 thanks for adding some actual data to argue. What is the source of the numbers you posted. It would be interesting to see what could cause a damn libby state like RI to be so high. Although they do call it the most currupt state in the Union.”

“The whole red vs. blue thing is as rediculious as assuming all republicans think alike and all democrats think alike.”

“You better get with the party line, Gobbler.”

“Yes it is.

www.redvsblue.com”

“so mississippi is the most generous state? well, at least i know if im traveling thru the home of the blues, i can turn up on any doorstep and count on gettin me a big heapin helpin of possum stew”

“Thanks Crash Bang. That helped about as much as that link to redvsblue.”

“im just crackin on stove, myrtle.”

“LOL
I know C!B! was just being funny in his own way.
mjc earlyer wasn't being funny, just an a$$.”

“Poor SS you miss so much of the point so much of the time.

"Thanks Crash Bang. That helped about as much as that link to redvsblue."--MJC

I was the one that posted the redvsblue link. Sorry you cannot see the sarcasm.”

“SS have you come up with an argument yet, or are you just going to continue with rhetoric and patronizing comments. You have had plenty of time.”

“More New England yankee spin on Churchs (Mega Churchs). This is almost as biased as that study done by BC.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051122/lf_nm/religion_megachurches_dc”

“Interesting article. Small groups is definitely the way churches are growing. It's the big servies you see on tv, but it's the small group meetings that fuel that growth.”

“It is nice to see the greater push from "saving yourself" to helping others.

This is not a hijack, but just a Liberal Blue state media report that might not filter down to Red states. Again that evil number playing BC rears its ugly head to spin, spin, spin.”

“Poor SS you miss so much of the point so much of the time. - mjc 7:29:38

SS have you come up with an argument yet, or are you just going to continue with rhetoric and patronizing comments. - mjc 7:31:02”

““Yes it is.

www.redvsblue.com”


I was wondering how long it'd take for someone to post that link.”

“I resisted for a long time, but I figured the thread needed to lighten up.”

“LMAO! mjc thinks others should lighten up!

That's classic!”

“Sarge to the rescue of SS(almost anyway)! Remeber SS started the patronizing and then ran away when I started playing his game. But nice try PFC.”

“mjc is the yin to S-rge's yang. I like him. We need more crazy libaerls around here who can engage effectively. It's been so long sense we had someone like him here. It's been like months and months of boring cut and pastes from Violink and Biofeet.”

“Man, SS and Sarge sure take things hard around here. Are they angrily typing away? They seem so frustrated. It is not very campfire like.

I am sorry if I don't use smileys and forum slang to express that I am having fun. I thought just making light of the silly REDvsBlue was enough.

We all need to make a big group hug. I am very huggable.”

““Man, SS and Sarge sure take things hard around here. Are they angrily typing away? They seem so frustrated. It is not very campfire like."

SS is a troll's troll. He loves getting the lefties stirred up and sitting back laughing at them. Make no mistakes, he's having a ball. Sarge on the other hand is a fukcing nitwitt who has the misconception that he is always right so any other pov just drives him nuts.”

“Muttley proves to be an intellectual Belgium yet again.

LOL! Really, lol - I rarely actually chuckle. I'll have to use that one...”

“mjc - I've seen liberals on here be upset with your talk. Don't pretend like it's just us.

Nigal - Bite me.”

“Thank you, Nigal. It is hard to find time to engage this forum, but the bosses have been away. I wish I could spend more time. I though arguing with Sarge was a great time, but he is getting very pissy. I actually agreed with sarge on one thread. If he wasn't so pissy I wouldn't be so antagonistic (or would I?).

Thread time out is over, back to the fighting. Well back to work really.

I can only post between TPS reports. And here's another thing, I have eight different bosses right now. So that means when I get caught on the web, I have eight different people coming by to tell me to get to work.”

“Nice rewriting of history mjc.”

“You know those libbies. You should get Cheney on the attack.”

“Get back to work.”

“If SS is just having fun then I am sorry for pissing him off. Not that I wouldn't respond the same way again. I would just hope that he knows that I’m not an angry little troll like Sarge. (Hey, Sarge is this waffling)

Sarge, what Libbies did I upset? I'm an equal opportunity troll. You know us libbies. We think everyone should be treated equal.”

“Okay, Sarge is right. I have a noise issue that needs to be addressed. Two of them actually.

Back to work.

Hey, that is twice now I agreed with Sarge.”

“Makes ya feel like ya need shower doesn't it?”

“mjc: Are you really from Massachussetts or are you you a regular having some fun?”

“He's real. Look at his mean faces on his website. The guy has a stick up his ass.”

“LOL
Just another Moveon.org crazy.
mjc links Moveon on his website.
It's not worth my time to argue with a Moveon supporter.”