CBS Ousts 4 For Fake Bush Guard Story

“http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/10/cbs.guard.ap/index.html

Four CBS employees were fired Monday following the release of an independent investigation into a "60 Minutes Wednesday" story about President Bush's military service that relied on forged documents.

The network fired Mary Mapes, producer of the report; Josh Howard, executive producer of "60 Minutes Wednesday" and his top deputy Mary Murphy; and senior vice president Betsy West.

Dan Rather, the anchor of the "CBS Evening News" who served as the story's correspondent, announced in November he would be stepping down from his anchor position in March.........


...yet the CBS appointed panel STILL claims...
"[the panel] cannot conclude that a political agenda at '60 Minutes Wednesday' drove either the timing of the airing of the segment or its content."

What a hoot!!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143871,00.html
Fox has a more balanced story. ;-)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/10/national/main665727.shtml
CBS Report (Yea, I'm sure we can be sure it's THE TRUTH! LOLOLOLOLOLOL)”

“Great, now if they could get Dubya to step down for faking his guard duty......”

“But, but, but...it doesn't matter if the docs were fake because it's still true. We have no proof but it's still true! IT'S STIL TRUE DAMN IT!!! WAAAAAAAAA!”

“Liberals hate facts.”

“All quiet on the liberal front.
LOL”

“These peeps will never get a job now.”

“Rush said Mary Mapes will end up working for the DNC in the near future.”

““These peeps will never get a job now.”
wounded knee
2:02:03 PM

Sure they will.
They are all 'good' Dems.
They'll be working for ABC, NBC, PBS, the New York Times or some other major liberal media outlet within a couple of weeks.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:10:18 PM”

“Yup, the freepers and Bush goose-steppers lynched Dan Rather real good.... to make an example of him, or anyone, who criticizes Jr.

Welcome to America, kneel before thy ruler, the imperial blood & oil Bush family.


last edited: 1/10/05 2:20:02 PM”

“This is the same troll that isn't sure if there is any 'truth' anywhere. He would fit right in at CBS. LOL

Found the quote:
“Well, I'm not spreading 'false truths'. I don't even believe firmly in 'truth' as a concept
TrailTurtle
10:18:22 PM
1/05/05”
last edited: 1/10/05 2:27:12 PM”

“And again, you dropped my next sentence. You are being dishonest in not carrying it with it because the thought you quoted is not complete without the listing of what I do believe, specifically, all we have is that which remains unfalsified, because *ANYTHING* we think is true can be disproven if new information that shows it to be false enters the fray.

What we think is true today is not necessarily true tomorrow.

For instance, I believe Bush invaded Iraq and started slaughtering the people for a lot of reasons, but if there was no oil, it would not happen.

I've been waiting for 3 years to see that belief falsified, and it has not been. Not one action has been taken by Jr. that indicate we did not invade simply to take the oil. Halliburton retains pumping rights, Negroponte controls all the money, and Bush has blocked all possibility of Iraqi-selected candidates.

Because I believe Jr. invaded for oil, does not mean we can be certain of it. We can be certain, to this date, that there is no hard material observation that says he didn't, and so that is a 'truth' as good as it gets for me.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:34:34 PM”

“““These peeps will never get a job now.”
wounded knee
2:02:03 PM

Sure they will.
They are all 'good' Dems.
They'll be working for ABC, NBC, PBS, the New York Times or some other major liberal media outlet within a couple of weeks.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:10:18 PM”
StoveStomper
2:08:30 PM
1/10/05
ignore this user

I don't think so. I know the "liberal" meadia well. I worked for 5 years in it. This little poo poo cost CBS a lot, more than any of you can imagine. This is not just a little slap on the wrist here, it is serious. If this happens in the future, regardless of who is in the White House, it will be even more serious.

The one thing a news organization cannot do is report incredulous stories. Once it has, and the public is aware, their trustworthness goes into the toilet. Fewer viewers means lower ratings. Lower ratings means less money coming in for ads being broadcast during the run of their shows. That is the last thing CBS wants.

None of these people even need to work anymore. All top level executives who are making more than everyone who has posted to this thread combined.

The may stay in the TV field, but not news.”

“Oh, the news media routinely reports bogus, biased stories. The act of firing these people has nothing to do with you or I or what we think about CBS, it has everything to do with controlling what we think about everything else (specifically things the government wants to do).

Jr.'s handlers play the press in very specific ways, through control of access.

If you run pro-Bush stories, you get access to staff, if you run anti-Bush stories, they simply won't let you interview anyone and will not allow you at press conferences, etc.

It's hard to report on anything when no one will do any interviews with you. National news can't survive without a bare minimum level of access to government staff. They can also do really nasty things like slip provisions in bills that revoke your licensing rights and other things.

Jr. can't do it to all the press, but what they do do is they single out people / groups to do it to, to 'teach them all a lesson'.

That's exactly what they did to Dan Rather pre-election. They had to kill those stories, the reality of a coke-fiend DUI draft-dodger doesn't fit so well with the Christian right. They were successful, but don't kid yourself... they don't give a damn what YOU think of them, all they care about is controlling what you think about everything else.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:43:33 PM”

“TT - What thread was your complete quote on?
I took that from the 'Quote' thread, but that line is a very telling line.

I hope you were wearing your tinfoil hat while spewing all that last post.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:44:27 PM”

“Oh, someone put it on quotes? It wasn't me that did that. I'm thinking it was from the Bush is God one.”

“I'm not even going to waste my time reading that crap of a thread.”

“All I know is if they worked in the Bush administration, they'd be getting Presidential Medals of Freedom right about now.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:57:27 PM”

“> I hope you were wearing your tinfoil hat
> while spewing all that last post.

Only fools believe certainty in *anything*. They were certain there was WMD.

If someone wishes to make the maximum amount of mistakes in the least amount of time, then hold on to a "truth" that does not survive a collision with that which we observe.
last edited: 1/10/05 2:50:28 PM”

“Sorry Stovie, the turtle took my post and shredded it. I have every reason to believe what I said was true, not so much what turtle boy said. I don't want to get into it with Turtle Troll.

BTW...I am not a Bush supporter”

“"Bush is God.”
TrailTurtle
2:44:16 PM
1/10/05

Ha, he's a Bush-lover!!”

“Aren't we all? Except Violin, he's gay.”

“It was probably the right thing to do. Now how many Bush admiration people have lost their jobs over the false WMD stories and other false Iraq stories?”

“Now it's the Bushies turn to get all existential.”

“What really really made me laugh was the right wing weenies calling for Kofi Annan to go over corruption at the UN. They were calling for him to be responsible as this has gone on under his watch.
Where's the accountability for all the crimes and mistakes that have gone on under Bush. Rumsfeld and the torture of prisoners springs immediately to mind.
It's also like the support for Rush Limbaugh after his drug problems. Apparently accountability doesn't apply on the right.
last edited: 1/10/05 3:27:39 PM”

“"They'll be working for ABC, NBC, PBS, the New York Times or some other major liberal media outlet within a couple of weeks"

i thought conservatives dont like conspiracy theories. but it seems to be the hard rights pet conspiracy theory. when all else fails, bring up "the liberal media"

but i still love ya, stovey!

:D”

“Time will tell, C!B!. ;-)”

“I love the contention that Fox is unbiased while all the other major media outlets are liberal. Makes me laugh.”

“So, the gut feeling from all you lefties is they should not have been fired? That they did no wrong?”

“nah, the mistake was a big one, needed to go. O'Reilly needs to be booted off Fox too for hassassing his producer.
Stovey. You think Rummy should be staying on at Dept of Defense after all the mistakes and crimes he's overseen?”

“I dunno if your lumping me in with "all you lefties," but I was guessing that it made sense to fire them (not knowing all the details).

Like I said "It was probably the right thing to do. Now how many Bush admiration people have lost their jobs over the false WMD stories and other false Iraq stories?"
pedxing
3:09:36 PM
1/10/05”

“Y2 - Then we agree in part.

This thread isn't about Rummy or O'Reilly.
Quit trying to change the subject.
You are proving Nigal correct in his claim that's what all you libs do. ;-)
last edited: 1/10/05 3:46:27 PM”

“Good point Ped. What about Powell. Although he's going anyway, shouldn't he be kicked out for that presentation he gave to the UN. I mean that was probably even further from the truth that the report on Bush. I mean there's still a lot of unanswered questions about Bush's service. The whole WMD thing has been proven to be completely wrong.”

“LOL
Nigal is gonna LOVE this. ;-)”

“What like make serious points on the same subject of people being accountable when they make mistakes - yes, that's a complete subject change ;op
Now we answered your question Stovey, how about you answer at least one of ours... huh huh? ;o)”

“pedx - I would say you are to the right of the Vileman, Y2, and TrailTurtle, but still leftcenter. ;-)

MarkO and I are middle of the road center, just ask either of us. ;-)”

“Stovey, and right-wingers seem to hate to get into facts and details, as it trips up thier sweeping generalizations. They can then prattle on about liberal this and lefties that rather than having to deal with the facts at hand.”

“Funny.

Thats what they say about the left too.”

“I consider myself left of center but I walk with a slant.”

“I guess I'm just not 'nuanced' enough like y'all's failed hero. ;-)
last edited: 1/10/05 3:59:02 PM”

“uh huh, but of course we're right. See, I made a nice sweeping generalization there (and here). It's better to play them at a game they understand.”

“Stovey - you don't understand that we are talking about accountability, the subject at hand.
We've said those who made a big mistake around the Rather/Bush story needed to go. Now why won't you answer a question on the same subject of accountability for mistakes?”

“It was probably the right thing to do. Now how many Bush admiration people have lost their jobs over the false WMD stories and other false Iraq stories?”
pedxing
3:09:36 PM
1/10/05


Well the Director of the CIA for one.”

“Accountability of news people is the subject.”

“ok, Bill O'Reilly. Does he need to be kicked off-air for harrassing his secretary, Rush Limbaugh for being a drug addict?”

“Y2 -
Neither are reporters.
Commentaries are paid to do opinions.
The CBS reporter was paid to report news.
last edited: 1/10/05 4:21:53 PM”

“And what about those in the media who took at face-value Bush's words on WMD's. Or those in the media who rediculed and derided French and Russian (truthful) claims that there were no WMDs. Do they need to go too?”

“Come on Stovey, you're not even doing a good job of avoiding the questions on this one.”

“Boy, the Red Diaper Doper Babies are sticking out like sore thumbs now. I wonder if they'd be so stand up had it been faux News lying about Kerry? LOL! We have a European socialist, a race baiting liar, and a mentally deficient sKerry flunky sticking up for media corruption. Great company there guys!

turtleTurd's the funniest one of them all. they further any conspiracy out there like Bush having an external defibrillator or any other lie going yet thinks the sun rises and sets in Kerry's ass as if he is perfect.

Yes, the mentally ill will always show themselves.
last edited: 1/10/05 4:32:06 PM”

“>“So, the gut feeling from all you lefties is
>they should not have been fired? That they did
> no wrong?”

BTW, if you are talking to me, please don't use the term 'lefty', I much prefer anti-Bush. I am the exact opposite of Jr., and that does not put me on the far-left, it puts me in the fiscally responsible "Anti-Hitler" contingent, LOL.

As to the question, I have no problems at all firing people over stories, but the rest of these guys should be fired as well:

- Sean Hannity
- Bill O'Reilly
- Rush Limbaugh
- Ann Coultier
- Bob Novak

I mean they routinely just make #&%!$ up defaming people, and they are certainly very biased.

But, I guess they make up SOOOO much stuff that it has become accepted behavior.

It does explain a lot, in particular the polls which ask simple yes/no questions like "Did we find WMD in Iraq?" and "Was Saddam behind 9/11" and 60% of FOX viewers get them wrong, LOL.

But, I dunno, at this tage I don't know that I mind any of it. The 'old news media', print, cable, etc. will be history soon enough, they are *ALL* losing net market share including FOX to the Internet. (It's funny to note that of the people not switching to the Internet to date, more of them are gravitating to FOX News, LOL).

I personally think the critical mistake for Dan Rather was when he blamed the bloggers for attacking the credibility of his report.

But the GOP has been attacking the bloggers relentlessly. There is actually some rumors that Porter Goss may start using "Terrorism" laws to start shutting down some anti-government web-sites like http://www.cryptome.org, and they already raided and stole the servers from http://nyc.indymedia.org.

What I fear the most is not the broadcast news, they are all dying away. I fear the government and what it's going to do to the Internet the minute some REALLY embarassing #&%!$ comes out and fries some politicians.
last edited: 1/10/05 4:41:51 PM”

“CBS did not have to fire these guys. Is this still the center of talk with your friends? I forget about it because I don't give a #&%!$.

If you asked, most Americans would say the same thing.

I posted why they were fired above. I don't think the Bush administration cam out a week ago and asked CBS to fire these people, that would be stupid. Why relive it again. We all forgot about it, move on.

No, this was the network's decision, pur and simple.”