where's trailturtle's trip

“Salamanca, NY - the only town built on an Indian Reservation and leased from the Indians - for trinkets unfortunately.

It's just South of the Valley on Rt. 17.”

“BTW: Bush isn't being PC on immigration. I think there are three reasons he is pretty pro-immigration (not necessary in this order):

1) It helps with the immigrant (esp. Hispanic vote).

2) A genuine belief in competition and opportunity.

3) Many businesses, esp the big ones, benefit from the wage competition of people in need of jobs (it weakens unions, dappens worker demands and lowers wages). This is why many lefties and Unions have been anti-immigration in the past.”
pedxing
2:43:44 PM
1/25/05

How does John Kerry's announced public policy on illegal alien amnesty fit into this scenario?

Just another empty campaign promise or something the left actually supports?”

“How does John Kerry's announced public policy on illegal alien amnesty fit into this scenario?

Just another empty campaign promise or something the left actually supports?”
bbw
8:23:07 PM
1/25/05


Maybe the same as Dubyas Gay Marriage amendment?”

“I dunno how it fits in Kerry's plan bbw, (although I noticed he had to raise a lot of money from people who owned a lot of stock), I was just sticking up for W.
last edited: 1/25/05 7:47:11 PM”

“The U.S. Constitution calls treaties "the Supreme Law of the Land." And yet New York State is about to violate U.S. treaties that have lasted over 200 years. The state plans to implement regulations that would impose sales tax on petroleum and tobacco products sold on Indian lands. These regulations would violate sacred treaties between the U.S. and Indian tribes.

Since 1794 the U.S. has acknowledged Indian independence, and the Treaty of 1842 clearly says the Seneca Nation will not be taxed by any US government. Including New York State. The state's unconstitutional action will cause over 1000 Indians and non-Indians to lose their jobs, consumer prices to rise, and businesses to close.

We urge you to explore this topic and learn more about this issue. Tell Governor Pataki how you feel. Urge the Governor to honor the supreme law of the land. Because if you break a treaty, you break the law

http://www.sni.org/indiantreaties.html”

“The Senecas call themselves on¸otowá[?]ka[?], 'People of the Big Hill." Their name in Iroquois Confederacy councils is Ho-nan-ne-hó-ont, "the Door Keeper." Historically, they were the westernmost nation of the League of the Iroquois and are depicted as being the "western door" of the figurative extended longhouse of the confederacy, reaching across New York State, with the Mohawks as the "eastern door" and the Oneidas, Onondagas, and Cayugas extending westward in that order to the Senecas. Foreign ambassadors wishing to approach the Iroquois were reminded to enter by one of the doors, through which they or their messages could pass to the other nations.

The Senecas, Mohawks, and Onondagas are the Elder Brothers of the Iroquois Confederacy and have reciprocal relationships within league councils with the Oneidas and Cayugas, the Younger Brothers. The Senecas have eight chiefs in the confederacy.

At the time of first contact with Euro-Americans, the Senecas occupied what is now western New York State. The western Senecas lived near the Genessee and Allegheny Rivers, and the eastern group near Canandaigua Lake. They resided in two large, and one or two smaller, agriculturally based villages. Agriculture was supplemented by hunting, fishing, and the gathering of fruits and vegetables.

From 1641 to 1684, the Senecas, together with other Iroquois, warred against nations to the northwest, west, and south of them to control trade, to forge alliances, and to "fill the places" of the dead among them. Captives from as far away as Canada and the Great Lakes region were often absorbed among the Senecas and other Iroquois. Conflict with the French, who were expanding westward, also ensued. A peace treaty with the French in 1653 opened the door for the Jesuit missionary Joseph Chaumonot, who visited the Senecas in 1656. The Senecas preferred traders to missionaries, however.

Another peace treaty was signed in 1665. Nonetheless, relations with the French remained tense. The Senecas were invaded unsuccessfully by a French force under the command of Joseph-Antoine Le Febvre de La Barre in 1684, and successfully in July 1687 by another led by Jacques René de Brisay, marquis de Denonville, which resulted in the burning of Seneca villages and cornfields. Hostile feelings between French and Senecas continued until treaties of neutrality were signed between the Iroquois and the French, and the Iroquois and the English, in 1701.

During King George's War (1744-48) and the Seven Years' War (1754-63), Seneca warriors, especially western Senecas and others who had begun to settle in multicultural villages in the Ohio region, often supported the French, largely because of the influence of a trader, Louis-Thomas Chabert de Joncaire, who had been raised as a captive among the western Senecas.

The defeat of the French by the English in 1763 left Senecas with no diplomatic foil for the advancement of English colonists into Indian country. In that year Senecas in the Ohio region and the western Senecas joined the nationalistic Pan-Indian movement led by the Ottawa war leader Pontiac. Pontiac's failure to capture Detroit in 1763 weakened the Senecas' negotiating position with the English. They were induced to cede strategic land at Niagara.

During the American Revolution, Senecas such as the warriors Cornplanter, Blacksnake, and Red Jacket aggressively supported the British as the best option against land-hungry Americans. The Americans retaliated in 1779, when General John Sullivan led an expedition that burned their crops and villages, and forced communities to flee northward.

After the war, some Senecas settled with other Iroquois on the Grand River in Ontario, Canada, at Six Nations Reserve. Many returned to their homeland, with a number settling at Buffalo Creek (near present-day Buffalo, New York), others on the Genesee River, and still others at Tonawanda (near present-day Akron, New York). Their lands were quickly whittled away, however. The Treaty of Fort Stanwix in 1784 forced the Senecas to cede lands west of New York and Pennsylvania to the United States. From 1788 to 1810 portions of reservation land were acquired by speculators: Oliver Phelps and Nathanial Gorham; Robert Morris and the Holland Land Company; and David Ogden and the Ogden Land Company. At the Treaty of Big Tree (1797) they lost the last of their lands on the Genessee River.

In 1799 and 1800 alienation caused by loss of land, lack of access to hunting grounds, and pressure on Iroquois men by Christian missionaries (Quakers and other Protestants) to enter the domain of women—to take up farming—provided fertile ground for the spread of teachings based on visions of the Seneca Handsome Lake. The prophet exhorted his people to remain true to Iroquois ways by maintaining their practice of calendric ceremonies such as Midwinter, Strawberry, and Green Corn, and by giving thanks to the Creator. The Handsome Lake religion is still practiced on Iroquois reservations, although not all traditionalists adhere to the Code of Handsome Lake and not all Senecas are traditionalists. Many are Christian.

Efforts to remove Senecas from their lands culminated in the Treaty of Buffalo Creek in 1838, by the terms of which the four remaining Seneca reservations—Buffalo Creek, Tonawanda, Cattaraugus, and Allegany—were sold and provisions were made for the Senecas to remove to Kansas. The corrupt proceedings were protested, however, and a new Treaty of Buffalo Creek was signed in 1842. The new agreement stipulated the sale of Buffalo Creek and Tonawanda, but retained Allegany and Cattaraugus. As a result of the Buffalo Creek treaties, some Senecas moved to Kansas. Most did not, however, and of those who did, all but two returned.

Senecas of Tonawanda, who had not been present at the treaty proceedings in 1842, objected. By a treaty signed in 1857, they bought back most of their reservation with money set aside for their removal to Kansas. The Tonawanda Senecas maintain their government by hereditary chiefs, practice the Longhouse religion, perform traditional calendric rituals, and have medicine societies (a tradition separate from the Longhouse religion) for preventative and curative purposes.

In 1848, people of the Allegany and Cattaraugus reservations formed the Seneca Nation, with a written constitution and an elective system of government. They retain that system of government today. In the 1960s, one-third of the Allegany Reservation was lost in the Kinzua Dam project in western New York State. The Senecas received monetary compensation, but this did little to replace the loss of land and homes.

In 1991, ninety-nine-year leases to land at Salamanca on the Allegany Reservation, obtained in 1892 by non-Indians for commercial and residential purposes, were renegotiated, with the Seneca Nation taking a firm stand, insisting on fair rents for the land. Attempts to maintain control over their land and resources continued. An acceptable agreement for forty-year leases was reached. For example, the modern Seneca Nation has resisted attempts by New York State to tax the sale of cigarettes and gasoline to non-Indians at the Allegany and Cattaraugus reserves.

By the beginning of the nineteenth century, Iroquois in the Ohio region, many of whom were Senecas, had settled on the Little Sandusky River in Ohio, forming two reservation communities in 1817 and 1818. In 1831, they ceded their Ohio land in return for the Neosha Reservation in Oklahoma. Beginning in 1887, most Iroquois land in Oklahoma was allotted to individuals, with some kept as tribally owned property for ceremonial and burial grounds. In 1934, the group adopted the name "Seneca/Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma" and established an elective tribal council. Traditional calendric rituals and medicine societies are found among Senecas in Oklahoma, but the Handsome Lake religion is not.

Diversity, along with persistent cultural identity, has been fostered among the Senecas through time.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_035300_seneca.htm”

“I must have missed the paragraph on Casinos.”

“Are they important to you?

Seneca "Casinos":

http://www.senecagames.com/salamanca.asp”

“I gotta disagree with Lame on Matt's rules. Basically, Matt is saying that if you post personal info on TT - your responsible if it shows up on TT later, elsewhere in ways you don't like.

However, if you use what you have about someone to research them and find out more personal info, that would be a violation.

Even a google search is research beyond what is posted to TT.”