Ban the Nigal

“All I am saying is that this group and my social sphere contain a lot of heterosexuals.

I don't know any who have Aids.

Do you?

If you don't then we have all been lied to.”

“Do people go around telling their friends that they have HIV?

It is not easy for a heterosexual male to contract AIDS with an HIV+ women. HIV is not hanging out in the vagina or the mouth. If the women has no open sores and hasn't had a recent sexual encounter with an HIV+ male, then I would say the odds of contracting HIV from the women is low.

However, I do not know if HIV can survive in vaginal fluids, especially the mucousal (sp) system nor do I know the rate of transmission.

The mucousal system is another defense perimeter of our bodies therefore HIV may exist there.

I'm speculating.

What risks are you willing to take?”

“I don't think there is a risk.”

“Look at Magic. He's hiv positive for about 10 years or so now. He could have aids and is not saying so, but he is still saying he is has HIV. Of course he can afford all those cocktails to circumvent the disease from progressing.

Nigal must stay. He is an animal lover and give movie reviews.”

“I like Nigal, but sometimes he's doing funny things....

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“"All I am saying is that this group and my social sphere contain a lot of heterosexuals.

I don't know any who have Aids"

well, when you only have sex with sheep then youre pretty safe from aids. sheep dont have aids”

“Add on - With no open sores, the odds of an ID of HIV swimming up the mans urethra during intercourse is highly improbable. Contraction During oral sex probably also highly improbable.

I think.

Nice info SJ. But HIV has never attacked homosexuals or particular ethnic groups. Ever.

It is transmitted through fluid. It is and always has been an equal opportunity killer.

How many more holes would you like to have pointed out?

How about the govt was ill prepared to stop it or that it took us so long to set up a simple test to keep it out of the blood supply and therefore the "general populace".

Did you read my sources?

If you really research HIV you will see it pre-dates the 50's.

Engineering harmeful retroviruses is another hole. Engineering viruses before the mid 80's was non-existant(?).

Magic also has Dr. Ho as his personal physician. He is the pre-eminent HIV researcher and I was quite disheartened to see that he was "for sale".
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“"How many more holes would you like to have pointed out?"

are you talking about holes in someones logic, or.......other........holes........?”

“BM, nobody claimed the virus targets a specific group. People did the targeting. I did read your articles. The one stated several theories, and I did notice that several of them have the same principle idea. It never tried to discredit any of those theories. The other only tried to state that AIDS "just happened". Then it went on to say the theories were false, but for no real reason other than the author just did not believe them. Also, the belief that AIDS began in the 50's was based on the oral polio vaccine that was also given to children. Gay men seemed to contract the disease but millions of children are left unscathed? The theory is that because the vaccine was harvested on chimp kidneys it carried the virus, but research has since proven that the species used for this did not carry the SIV virus believed to be the cause of the now epidemic HIV virus. The study was done by a Michael Woroby Ph.D., assistant professor at the University of Arizona and published in April 2004.
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“I'm tired. Can you spell out what you're trying to say here:

Gay men seemed to contract the disease but millions of children are left unscathed? The theory is that because the vaccine was harvested on chimp kidneys it carried the virus, but research has since proven that the species used for this did not carry the SIV virus believed to be the cause of the now epidemic HIV virus. The study was done by a Michael Woroby Ph.D., assistant professor at the University of Arizona and published in April 2004.

The polio "theory" is ancient. I wish it would die. Here is what the research means:

"Polio vaccine-AIDS theory deadStudy finds that Kisangani chimpanzees contain a virus unrelated to HIV-1 | By David Secko
The final nail is in the coffin for the now largely refuted theory that the human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) crossed into humans as a result of contamination of oral polio vaccine (OPV), according to a new study. In the April 22 Nature, Michael Worobey and colleagues report that the chimpanzees claimed to be the source of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpz) that crossed over actually contain a SIVcpz unrelated to HIV-1.

“Scientifically, this paper spells the end of the OPV theory,” said Edward Holmes, from the University of Oxford, who was not involved in the study.

The OPV/AIDS theory holds that chimpanzees from the Kisangani (previously Stanleyville) area in the Democratic Republic of Congo that were purportedly used in the preparation of OPV transmitted a SIVcpz to humans. Evidence against this has been piling up, first with the absence of SIVcpz or chimpanzee DNA in old OPV stocks and then with data suggesting HIV originated 30 years before the OPV trails.

“Although there is an abundance of evidence against the OPV theory, the one thing missing [until this paper] was an analysis of the SIV strains in the chimpanzee populations claimed to be the origin of HIV-1 under the OPV theory,” said Holmes.

“I first traveled to the Congo in 2000, along with W.D. Hamilton and Jeff Joy,” said Michael Worobey, assistant professor at the University of Arizona and lead author of the study. The samples obtained from this trip were suggestive, so alone, Worobey returned to the Congo in 2003. “This time we hit pay dirt, with one of the fecal samples being positive for SIV viral genetic material,” Worobey told The Scientist.

This sample turned out to be positive for gag and gp41/nef viral sequences, confirming the natural infection of Kisangani chimpanzees with SIVcpz. Analysis of these sequences revealed that this SIVcpz virus was highly divergent from HIV-1, revealing that Kisangani chimpanzees were not the source SIVcpz that crossed over to humans.

“This final proof was necessary because previous evidence against the theory, though damning, was somewhat indirect. This is as direct as you could hope for,” Worobey told The Scientist.

“Lack of chimpanzee DNA in archival stocks of OPV, together with origin of HIV dating at least 30 years prior to OPV trials in central Africa and now providing evidence that Kisangani apes contain a SIVcpz lineage not related to HIV-1, provide convincing evidence that OPV trials did not result in the HIV infection,” said Renu Lal, from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who was not involved in the study.

Bette Korber, staff scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, agreed, stating the report shows the exact opposite of what the OPV/AIDS theory would predict. “[Worobey and colleagues] completed the circle, and all tests that could be done with current methods have been completed. Nothing supports the OPV hypothesis,” Korber told The Scientist.

Korber, who was not involved in the study, said she hopes that this additional work will help in the drive to eradicate polio globally, stressing that the now refuted speculation on the OPV/AIDS theory never suggested that modern OPV vaccines were contaminated.

“We are very close to eradicating polio globally, a sweet triumph for humanity if we can accomplish it. Hopefully the article will help resolve the confusion that surrounds this last push in this great undertaking,” Korber told The Scientist.

“It would be nice if these findings could eliminate some of the fears and suspicions that hang over polio vaccines currently in countries like Nigeria. Polio vaccines weren't infected with AIDS viruses in the 1950s, and they're not now either, and driving that message home can only be a good thing,” said Worobey.

Links for this article
M. Worobey et al., “Contaminated polio vaccine theory refuted,” Nature, 428:820, April 22, 2004.
http://www.nature.com/

Edward Holmes
http://evolve.zoo.ox.ac.uk/people.html?id=holmese

P. Blancou et al., “Polio vaccine samples not linked to AIDS,” Nature, 410:1045-1046, April 26, 2001.
[PubMed Abstract]

B. Korber et al., “Timing the ancestor of the HIV-1 pandemic strains,” Science, 288:1789-1796, June 9, 2000.
[PubMed Abstract]

Michael Worobey
http://eebweb.arizona.edu:8080/db/facultylist.asp

Bette Korber
http://www.t10.lanl.gov/profiles/korber.html

D. Butler, “Nigerian states disrupt campaign to eradicate polio,” Nature, 428:109, March 11, 2004.
[PubMed Abstract]




http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040421/02
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“does Nigal have AIDS, is this why yall want to ban him??”

“Nigal wouldn't have gotten AIDS if SC hadn't banned his spleen.”

“banned his spleen...lol

if he takes it out before he logs on to TT is that ok?
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“What a bunch of muck-ass mucks, trick-ass mucks, punk bltches and skip scap skanks and skallywaggs, hoes, heifers, heehaws and hoolihoos.”

“The polio "theory" is ancient. I wish it would die.

I'm trying to say exactly what you said. The point is that the idea of HIV going back to the 50's revolves around a theory that has been proven wrong. My question is, what other evidence dates HIV as far back as the 50's? The only thing that can be provided is theory and speculation since we could not even test for HIV at the time to really know if thats what we were dealing with or not. The samples from the 50's for the polio vaccine would have been the only link and that thoery has already been discredited. One of your articles claims that the theory involving the US govt. has no patient zero to prove the claim. The problem being that there is no patient zero on any other theory. The fact is that all we have to go on at this point is speculation concerning this disease and nobody running on speculation themselves can really discredit somebody on the premise of, "I like my theory better." I find nothing wrong with the fact people in this country have such a distrust of our government that they believe they would infect the population of the world with this plaque. Our government has earned that reputation and until they work to clear their name people will continue to distrust them.”

“what did you do now nigal?
pee on someoens parade?”

““what did you do now nigal?
pee on someoens parade?”

I think I took a dump on someone’s precession.”

“the drummers?”

“No, the little Shriners cars. They're my favorite!”

“I don't even go to local parades anymore because Nigal ruins them with his peeing and deficating on everything.”

“I have a squad of midgets with shovels follow me where ever I go. It's quite the entourage`.”

“oh go pee on a doorknob!”

“por mapes, still bragging about her sick fetish”

“well if you were not a troll then maybe you would have a clue as to what I am talking about.

por j fog, still clueless”

“I see. Why do we need a patient zero other than to completely discredit conspiracy theories?”

“mapes is patient zero?”

“Bearmagnet, are you a doctor or nurse or something?”

“Research - for now, experimental therapeutics.”

“So what's your degree in? Biology?”

“BS?”

“Yes. Conc. in molecular/microbial bio. This is why I have a hard time figuring out which is the spleen and which is the tongue.”

“bs = BULLSYHT.

LOl that is right”

“B.S. - Bull shiat
M.S. - Master Shiatter
Ph.D. - Piled High and Deep

LOL”

“the b.s is getting deep now,hey! fatboy how have you been?”

“beat ya!”

“Yes. I have Bull#&%!$ and a few mastersheeit credits.

But only a master shiatter gets paid well. And the Ph.D finds themselves over qualified for 95% of the jobs.”

“only in your dreams laplemeaf”

“hmmm oobrett and Dub together agian.”

“How am I doing brett? About 50lbs lighter than your wife.”

“50 lbs! thats pretty good . so how long were you in jail for ?”

“GET OFF OF THIS THREAD NOW! WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF BANNING NIGAL NOT YOU TWO PUTZ HEADS!”

“I can't help it that I have a homo stalker.”

“The fact that OOBrett shows up seconds after Dub posts doesn't tell me they are the same person but it does show me that OOBrett is someone who hangs out here all the time. Hmmmm.”

“My thoughts exactly. And he's very defensive of the martha stewart site which suggests he posts there as well.”

“hmmmmmm”

“and the fact that only reg call me mapes leads me to think j fog is a reg.

fess up putz!”

“Hey Brett, you drive a VW with Illinois plates?”

“why sure fat boy,been to my pics page again?”

“Nothing you haven't done to me first. :-)”