'Progressive' Icon Convicted of Helping Terrorists

“Who said the Left was UnAmerican?

I'll call her 'Progressive', since all you liberal Dems seem to have a hissy fit about the liberal label.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/crime/ny-stew0211,0,1331604,print.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2

Veteran civil rights lawyer Lynne Stewart was convicted Thursday of helping terrorists by smuggling messages of violence from one of her imprisoned clients -- a radical Egyptian sheik -- to his terrorist disciples on the outside.......”

“Color me surprised. [sarcasm]”

“Listen to what she says:

Stewart repeatedly declared her innocence during the trial, maintaining she was unfairly targeted by overeager prosecutors. She testified on her own behalf as well, saying she believed violence was sometimes necessary to rid society of evil -- even in America.

"To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently," she said.

Yes, you are right, Ms. Stewart. America is a very sexist country. We ought to be violently changed so that we are more like the much more sexually enlightened countries of the Islam people you collude with. In the Middle East, no woman is denied her right to have her genitals mutilated in the name of "purity", or saddled with the wicked burden of property rights of her own. And think, American women will no longer be slaves to fashion if they are all forced to wear burkahs.”

“Wow, I thought they'd catch that for sure.”

“i like you, reefmonkey. you can have a political discussion without seeming to have a hidden (or not so hidden) smear agenda.”

“As a Buddhist I've never condoned the violence but I do understand that these people feel they are fighting back against a system that is designed to ignore you unless you are affluent. People suffer and die everyday because of our individual nature that inspires us to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead. In the end we feel that because we don't actually pull the trigger that our hands are clean. Maybe a little more compassion in our foreign policy would get us farther then our military might.”

“and a sensitive war on terrorism”

“I guess you'd have to believe in Karma. The concept of 'what goes around comes around' so to speak.”

“So in a nutshell we don�t help the rest of the world and we had it coming to us. Nice.”

“Shows how this country is inherently paternalistic. just as a women CEO has to constantly try harder to be equal and called a beeotch for being competitive, so do the women of the Left have to go to extremes for recognition.”

“Yeah, that�s it. It�s not her fault for aiding terrorists. The glass ceiling made her do it.”

“By being selfish greedy pigs, yes we have alot to atone for. Does that justify people like Osama, no. You have to admit though, he didn't just choose a target at random and then blow it up for the hell of it. It was planned and calculated for very specific reasons. By ignoring those reasons we're only inviting more terrorism. The best thing we can do is clean up our attitudes and start acting like we're a part of the global community. A good example is the concept of keeping American money in this country. How many times have we heard people complain about aid sent over to India and Asia for the tsunami victims? It's a selfish and greedy statement, but some people just can't believe someone might need the money more than us. I have family that live in Appalachian areas of KY/TN. Poor coal miners that get hurt and can't care for their family's. No real money flowing into the towns. I'm aware that our citizens aren't well off either but sometimes we have to put ourselves aside and consider the fact somebody else may need more help than us. It's that kind of caring attitude that can clean up the problem we have with terrorists. Electing a terrorist as president and having him ravage the world in an endeavor to protect our greed is not a good idea.”

“She's more of a victim then Patty Hearst.”

“I guess they caught it afterall.”

“Ah to be a young idealist again! Nothing make one feel quite so well as self precieved self righteous anger.”

“I'll try to reconstruct my post without using a naughty word this time. As I remember, I was ranting about how there seems to be an overabundance of superliberal extremist hags out there. These are usually women who went through the 60s student movement and the 70s feminist movement, and have come to identify so much with being far left wing, that they will jump on a cause without even caring what the cause is, as long as it is in opposition to more conservative thought. This leads them to support anyone, no matter how reprehensible, even if, like this guy, he wants to kill Americans, as long as he opposes the American establishment.
Then I said something about how I know there are lots of ultraconservatives out there, the Timothy McVeighs and such, who are willing to kill their fellow Americans, and I hate them too, but this rant is about this Stewart [RADIO EDIT]
Sorry to use such a naughty word, last night I washed my mouth out with 5 different types of soap. Though my personal preference was for Lux, I found that Palmolive had a nice, piquant after-dinner flavor - heavy, but with a touch of mellow smoothness. Life Buoy, on the other hand... YECCHH!”

“Oh, I think I also accused my mother-in-law of being one of these hags.”

“"This leads them to support anyone, no matter how reprehensible, even if, like this guy, he wants to kill Americans, as long as he opposes the American establishment."

A-phucking-men! I think half the people who bash America are doing so for no other reason than it's en`vouge. I love it when someone goes out and talks to protesters about the actual issues and half of them don't even know what the hell is going on.”

“Gosh, you're right, Silent J, we are all selfish and greedy. The US is only the largest contributor of international relief of any one country, and I believe we also give more than the entire EU.

Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of our policies, especially in the Middle East. but to say that we as private citizens bring terrorism on ourselves is ludicrous. ESPECIALLY since there are so many of us out there who disagree with the policy and do try to do something about it every time we vote. If the islamist powers want to declare war against our government, attack our armed forces, that is one thing, but it is NEVER justified to target civilians. It is attitudes like yours which perpetuate violence in places like the Middle East. Israeli bulldozers knock down a Palestinian town because of a previous terrorist attack, so some Hamas terrorist blows himself up in a cafe, killing innocent Israelis who "asked for it" by being subjects of the occupying government, so Israelis bulldoze more Palestinian settlements, because the Palestians "asked for it" by having people among them who go out and kill Israelis. When does it end?

Silent J, how many of the people who were butchered on 9/11 did not agree with US policy in the Middle East? Did they "bring it on themselves"?”

“Reef, I have an antecdote for you. I was sitting in a church listening to a Lama talk about Karma, rebirth, parental love, etc. and then he allowed people to ask questions. The recurring questions seemed to be, but I was born into this, how is it my fault? How can I love my parents after the life they gave me? So, my brother was born with some defects, how is that his fault?

These are all examples of how defensive we are because we don't want to believe we may not be the best people in the world. Your questions only indicate that you are not willing to look at the entire situation. Short sightedness will not prevent bad things from happening to you. They will only cause you to ask more questions, like 'why me', when they do happen. That's exactly where we stand in this country now. We can't accept that we have done bad things and have to atone for them. It doesn't matter if it's a building blowing up, a car crash, or you just stub your toe. It all happens for a very real reason and until we realize that and work to improve ourselves I can't believe things will get better. The point being that I would like it to be, but I just don't see enough people in this country wanting to improve themselves to believe it will ever get better.”

“It really hacks me off when someone at all implies that maybe the average American brings terrorism upon himself because of our government�s policies. How much power does the average person have to change policy? I vote, I write letters to the editor, to my congressman, I�m here trying to get my views out there among the people, but so far I haven�t seen the government do one thing exactly the way I would want them to in the 11 years since I�ve been old enough to vote. Even presidents don�t have nearly as much power to shift foreign policy as we often blame them for. Our pro-Israeli Middle East policy has been set since Roosevelt. Truman was the first person to get us involved in Vietnam. Then Kennedy, then LBJ got us more entangled. Nixon got us out. That�s another thing. Liberals always portray Dems as doves, Reps as hawks, but it doesn�t always work that way. I�ll admit that our current administration is more hawkish than I�d like him to be, but I don�t think he was out to be a wartime president when he ran in 200. I saw too well what kind of governor he was here. I think watching innocent people do swan dives from the worlds tallest buildings pissed him off, and it�s hard to blame the motive, even if I don�t approve of all the actions he�s taken.”

“J, of course you do realize that that explanation is as silly as Pat Robertson saying 9/11 was a punishment from God for the abortion and queers.”

“Silent J, no.

This is about innocent people being slaughtered. You cannot sit the fence on this. Either you oppose it ENTIRELY or you believe it is justified.

I think it was in Canto 9 of the Inferno that Dante wrote just outside the gates of Hell reside the most wretched souls, scorned by the angels and demons alike. These are the people who lived their entire lives without either praise or infamy, who, in the midst of crisis, refused to take issue.

So Silent J, tell me what I should do to ensure that I don�t �deserve� to be targeted by terrorists? I�m not a bad person. I�m an environmental scientist. I clean up hazardous waste sites for a living. I protect the environment and human health. In my spare time I help run a foundation to raise money for leukemia research, www.ryangibsonfoundation.org, in honor of a close college friend who died. I just got married last Summer, and at 29 am stepfather to a 7 year old boy, so to help us bond I became his cub scout den leader. I voted my conscience last November. When I get upset about something I read or hear about that seems unjust, I will write a letter to my congressman and/or my local newspaper. So you tell me, Silent J, what can I do so that I don�t �deserve� to be killed by a terrorist. What can I as an individual do to ENSURE that the next time I go visit my brother in Manhattan, the plane I�m on doesn�t get flown into the Empire State Building? Because I�ll do it. In a New York Minute.
last edited: 2/11/05 10:46:50 AM”

“Even if there are many Americans out there who support policies that make Islamists wat to kill us all, with their shotgun approach they kill those who may even feel compassion for their plight. I think it was Oliver Wendell Holmes who said it is better to let 10 guilty men go free than to convict 1 innocent man.

Not only is it unjust, it has the potential to be counterproductive. A lot of Americans don't feel compassionate about Arabs because they DO see Arabs as homocidal lunatics. If we were unified, their attacks could harden US feelings against them so that they realize how futile it is, and try nonviolent, Ghandi-esque means to resist injustice, something that might turn American sympathy in their favor. But when people like you wring your hands and say, "Maybe we brought this upon ourselves." you play right into their tactics of spreading fear and division.

Hitler's 1940 aerial Blitz against England was designed to demoralize the Brits in advance of an amphibious attack, Operation Sea Lion. Instead of demoralizing them, the Blitz rallied them, made their resolve that resistance was the only way even stronger. Hitler, maniac though he was, saw that he had not demoralized them, and called off the invasion. And this is a man crazy enough to wage a winter campaign in Russia! If a lot of British dissenters had started saying, "Well, you know, we really brought this upon ourselves by forcing the Germans to sign all those harsh and punitive conditions in the Versailles Treaty," history could be radically different today.
last edited: 2/11/05 11:10:08 AM”

“I love repeating myself. Here's part of my first post for you:

As a Buddhist I've never condoned the violence but I do understand that these people feel they are fighting back against a system . . .

Also, as a part of my beliefs I don't believe in heaven or hell. If you need a hell then the concept that we are reincarnated makes this the place to be now doesn't it. I wouldn't exactly label this as heaven if you know what I mean. So, regardless of how we feel about ourselves the fact is we're not angels. None of us. Not even the Dalai Lama. You could have been a mass murder in a past life and the things you do good in this life will help atone for that. Most of the time you really won't like the bad things but you can't avoid them. Your defense of yourselves only indicates your unwillingness to understand. Yet at some level you must or you wouldn't fight so hard to prove yourself. Unfortunately your fight is with yourself, not me.”

“Nigal, have you ever gotten on protestwarrior.com? I think you'd dig it.”

“Oh man I love those guys! Did you read the one report from the group down around Haliburten? Too funny!”

“That's all well and good J but it means very little if someone doesn't believe in Buddhism. Otherwise the entire concept falls flat.”

“I understand that but reefmonkey had brought up Dante so my point was to show how my belief was inherently different from his. Also, this brings into light the religious overtones that have surfaced in this war. I get tired of hearing about the 'Evil Muslim'. I've known plenty of Muslims and it's easy to understand that they just view things from their own perspective, as we do also. Tolerance can be the only solution and it's sad to think how far away that goal really is.”

“To call Islam evil as a whole is not wise or kind. There are factions and movements within Islam to are evil though and they go directly against what the Quran and Mohammed taught. Overall I think Islam has been far too silent in speaking out against those who have hijacked their whole religion.”

“Silent J, stop trying to talk like Yoda and talk like a real person. I don't believe in Hell. Hell Pope John Paul II doesn't even believe in Hell anymore. The point of the Dante quote is that if people don't take a strong stand on a serious issue, they are just bad people.
I understand that American policy has pissed a lot of people off, and rightly so in some situations. My stepson pisses me off sometimes. Once in a store he was pissed off that I wouldn't buy him Yu Gi Oh cards and nailed me in the balls. It brought tears to my eyes. My fight-or-flight instinct kicked in and I had a sudden desire to punch him. But I didn�t because I am a reasonable, worthwhile person. The British imposed a harsh colonial rule on the Indians for a century, but the Indians chose nonviolence, and it worked. Same for Martin Luther King, Jr. There are a lot of alternatives to violence that Islamists could be taking but aren�t.
That�s not even the point, though. I love repeating myself, too, so I will ask again, how much control does the average American have other our foreign policy? If he doesn�t have real control, how can he have real blame? And even if he shares in a minute fraction of the blame, shouldn�t the punishment fit the crime? If Americans allow injustice because they want oil, shouldn�t the punishment be to deny them oil? I don�t think any one private American citizen carries so much blame for what is going on in the middle east that his life should be forfeit. If that is true, then the terrorist who takes that life is more wrong. Yes, Americans are no angels, but neither are Middle Easterners. It�s not like they were living a happy, carefree, egalitarian life until big bad America came along. Sunnis were killing Shiites. Men were subjugating women in a way no other society does. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. In my book nobody should be picking up stones. No one has a right to take another man�s life unless, at that very moment, that other man is directly trying to take his. Americans may not be angels, but islamist terrorists ARE demons.
I wasn�t trying to defend myself you dolt. I told you what my life is like to show you that I am not some passive person who sits back and says �oh, someone else will take care of the problem�. I am proactive. I asked you in all earnestness to tell me what I could do to not be deserving of being killed by a terrorist, and you had no answer for me. If there is nothing I can do to change the status quo nothat was here before I was born, no matter how hard I try, how am I so guilty of the status quo that I should die for it? You had no answer because you can�t think anything that wasn�t written on the back of a box of Celestial Seasonings tea.
So I�m going to give you ONE more chance to redeem yourself by answering the following question. It�s not a trick question, but it is yes or no: Is a person EVER justified for killing a private citizen in retaliation of the actions of the government under which that private citizen lives? Yes or No?”

“Note I use "Islamist" as separate from "Islamic" to denote radicals. I too have lots on Muslim friends. Sometimes it scares me that rednecks might kill them and believe that my friends had "brought it on themselves" because of the actions of Islamic governments and terrorist organizations.”

“I agree.

I think there is nothing more tragic then for Virgins to be slaughtered and I am totally against it!. I will do my best to prevent this in the future!”

“My bedroom will always be a place of sanctuary for virgins.

Then, when someone comes looking for them, I will honestly be able to say "no virgins here."”

“I just saw this:

J, of course you do realize that that explanation is as silly as Pat Robertson saying 9/11 was a punishment from God for the abortion and queers.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that all religion is mysticism and probably amounts to jack squat other than fanaticism. Unfortunately I feel quite an attachment to mine so I stick with it. I think religion is a necessary stepping stone for the evolution of mankind though, and at some point what we think of as religion today will fall away as people walk in unison with the same philosophies. Probably not in my lifetime though. It would be nice though.”

“J, I've read a some Buddist text in my search for answers, and it is an admirable belief system, and a case might be made for it being the best. And I know that depending on whether you lean Theraveda or Mahayana, your own enlightenment may or may not be dependent upon helping others attain enlightenment, so helping ease suffering in this world can have differing importance. But violence only begets more violence. You can understand the source of the anger that makes someone WANT to be a terrorist, but the minute they BECOME a terrorist, you have to hate what they are doing with everything you have, because their killing is only going to want to make someone else want to kill them, and their "kind" and the cycle will go on and on and on. You must strongly condemn any form of violence that is not immediate self defense, or if it is the only thing that will stop someone from harming someone else who cannot defend himself.

If a rabid dog is running around your town, you can feel pity for its suffering, but you better kill it before it bites someone.
last edited: 2/11/05 12:27:57 PM”

“how much control does the average American have other our foreign policy?

Total. We vote. If you think you have no control then run for office. You don't like that idea and just want to vote for people who have policy's you don't agree with? Then you've exercised your control to sit on your hands while somebody else screws things up.

Is a person EVER justified for killing a private citizen in retaliation of the actions of the government under which that private citizen lives?

Nope. Not even the governor of Texas. That's the third time I've made that statement and the secnod time I've answered the question. If the statement "I don't condone the violence" isn't clear enough then then I don't know what is. That's a resounding NO to everybody but you I guess.

Also, fate is dealt to you in black and white. You eat a hamburger then you've killed the cow. Just because your hands don't have blood on them doesn't make you any better then the person who does.

If you don't believe in hell then Dante's statements don't really apply to anybody. Why bring it up? Tell me something Buddha said. Even a statement from Jesus would do. Heck, I even like the commandment telling me to love my neighbor. It's an amazing concept that I think we need more of in this world. Pointing the finger and saying things like, "Hey, they started it" though, stopped working on the playground. When my kids fight they both get in trouble. I don't care who said what or got hit first. It doesn't make either of them less guilty of what they've done. It works the same way for adults. Deal with it. We became a part of the problem the day we decided to fight back.”

“Total. We vote. If you think you have no control then run for office. You don't like that idea and just want to vote for people who have policy's you don't agree with? Then you've exercised your control to sit on your hands while somebody else screws things up.

Silent J, Don�t go all �Mr. Smith Goes to Washington� on me, be realistic. I�m not asking about how much control �WE THE PEOPLE� have, I�m talking about the control one individual person has. I live in Texas. It doesn�t matter who I voted for. My state went Red. Me run for office? I spent three years as a work-on member to the City of Houston Mayor�s Office Land Redevelopment Committee, trying to get an actual seat. Meanwhile, Lee Brown�s cronies who know nothing about Brownfields but were given seats ahead of me and then never attended meetings. Yet I still try. I have neither the following or the funding to run for a major political office. Plus, we can�t all be politicians. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Some of us have to clean up pollution. Your ardor is admirable but na�ve. The point is an individual person can be an active, responsible citizen, and still not have the government do what he thinks is right. Is that individual responsible for the wrong that government does, so wrong that he has a fiery death �coming to him�? You say he does. Maybe you have a guilt complex or something, but a reasonable person would say no he is not, and no he does not.


Nope. Not even the governor of Texas. That's the third time I've made that statement and the secnod time I've answered the question. If the statement "I don't condone the violence" isn't clear enough then then I don't know what is. That's a resounding NO to everybody but you I guess.

Good. Then you rescind your statement that American men, women, and children, even some unborn, who died on 9/11 were �inviting� those terrorists on them. Glad to hear it.

Also, fate is dealt to you in black and white. You eat a hamburger then you've killed the cow. Just because your hands don't have blood on them doesn't make you any better then the person who does.

I won�t get into a vegetarian discussion with you here. Just remember what actor Troy McClure said: �Remember � if a cow had the chance he would eat you and everyone you care about.�

If you don't believe in hell then Dante's statements don't really apply to anybody. Why bring it up?

Don�t be so deliberately obtuse. You know very well it doesn�t matter if you believe in hell or not, the point of the quote is that everyone hates someone who is wishy-washy, especially on a serious issue.

Tell me something Buddha said.

While Buddha was teaching, someone came up to him and insulted him. Buddha said to the man, �If you give me a gift and I do not accept it, who owns the gift?� The man replied �I would own.� �Very well,� said Buddha, �I do not accept your insult. It is upon you. Does it cause you pain?�

Even a statement from Jesus would do.

�Let he who is without sin cast the first stone�
�If someone smites you on the one cheek, turn to him the other.�
"Love your enemy"
"Leave judgement to God."

None of these seem to indicate that if someone pisses you off they have any harm you cause them "coming" to them.

See, you are trying to say you are being clear about your abhorrence of non-violence, and that Nigal and I are 'tards or something. We believe you that you don't really think anyone should suffer being a victim of terrorism. We just want you to see that when you make statements about Americans inviting terrorism upon themselves, and that we need to atone for all we have done, you undermine that message. I think what you want to say is American government should adopt a more just policy in the middle east both because it is the right thing to do AND because it will make the American people less of a target of extremist terrorists.”

“Once again, I've never condoned the violence. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in Karma and its repurcussions. You keep wanting to change what I am saying to something different. For instance, I never said we were responsible for the governments actions. My statements were always on the level of individuals in a society with a common mindset. Even though I do believe we have more control then we believe but we continuously refuse to use it, because we don't want to be involved or it takes more effort than we're willing to put forth. I also never made any statement that you personally had anything coming to you other than, we are not angels. For some reason you've walked into this feeling it was a personal attack. Since you want to twist my words around though, let me take one of your quotes, which were great for promoting pacificsm:

If someone smites you on the one cheek, turn to him the other

Great, so your admitting that the war on terror is wrong. Glad to hear it. I don't see anywhere in this, or any of the other quotes, that justified violence period. Wouldn't that make us bad guys as well? No. Of course not. That is after all what this argument boils down to. You can't accept my belief that things happen to us as a result of prior actions in this and previous lives.”

“1. Right View
Do we really have right view if we cannot see that an equivocal renunciation of nonviolence, trying to justify a little aspect of it, only opens the door to a neverending cycle of violence? This is the universal message of loving your enemy, turning the other cheek, the only way to end violence. The US has to commit to stop being such hardasses, and be only defensive, but not offensive or preemptive against terrorists, but the terrorists also have to commit to stop strapping on Semtex vests every time we do something that pisses them off, and instead engage in nonviolent protest. Have a love-in.
2. Right Intention
Is wishing ill upon anyone every right intention? What about believing someone deserves suffering? Instead, we should believe that everyone deserves forgiveness and as much freedom from suffering as possible.
3. Right Speech
Is it right speech to say that noncombatant men, women, children, and unborn babies are deserving of a painful death, especially if we know that saying this will anger people?
4. Right Action
Is it right to eat 50 eggs just to win a bet? (Sorry, but I couldn�t think of anything that pertained to you or me.)
5. Right Livelihood
I know I�ve got this one covered. I work to clean up the Earth. I�d like to buy the World a Coke.
6. Right Effort
This one too. I put my effort into good areas, like painting, philanthropy, and avoid evil effort like cat juggling and playing the bagpipes.
7. Right Mindfulness
I think this one is just a repeat of Right View. I think the day Gautama was inventing Buddhism Sesame Street was �brought to you by the number 8�, so he just slipped a repeat in and hoped no one would notice.
8. Right Concentration
I have ADHD, so I�m pretty much screwed on this one. I think I�ll sue Buddhism under the Americans with Disabilities Act for not allowing me Equal Access to Nirvana.
last edited: 2/11/05 2:55:43 PM”

“Ok, you've finally proven something. You see how I mentioned this systematic retribution is called Karma? That's a Buddhist belief. Now, the eight fold path does not override Karmic law, whether you like it or not. So, what's the point you've proven? That you only consider a portion of the situation and then fly off the handle with no real understanding of what's going. Google didn't give you a degree in religion so you might want to stop before you continue to prove you have no idea what your talking about.”

“Silent J, I don't think we disagree here. I don't want war. I don't think we should be in Iraq right now. I think American foreign policy has been extremely heavy handed. I would like to see it changed. I vote to see it changed. I have written letters. I even wrote a letter to the PLO BEFORE 9/11 saying that I thought a lot of Americans would be swayed to see the injustice of Israeli rule if only the Palestininan people would renounce violence and use nonviolent resistance. Honest Injun. I don't consider myself an enemy of Islamic people, and think it would be really unfair if they killed me. Cosmically unfair.

Look at how this thread started. It was about a woman who said she believed violence was sometimes necessary to rid society of evil -- even in America.
Nigal and I both agree her actions, words, and intent are absolutely reprehensible. When you came into a discussion like that and disagreed, no matter how gently, no matter how conditionally, you have to expect that people are going to jump on that. Saying you don't condone but understand comes across as disingenuous, even though I understand you have the best intent, and that was what I trying to point out.”

“Why is it the more I read Silent J's posts the more I find the crux of his posts are....

Silent J = smart
Everyone else = dumb”

“you might want to stop before you continue to prove you have no idea what your talking about.�

Too bad you didn't follow your own advice or this conversation would have ended at 8:12 PM last night.

The fact that you took my post on the Eightfold Path seriously is sad. I wasn't even trying to make a subtle joke.

Read all of my posts. I didn't Google any of that. I have read a lot of books on a lot of subjects, including the classics, history, and world religion, and am fortunate to have good recall. You're not the only person to have picked up the Bhagavad Gita. I, however, tried to be more well-rounded.
last edited: 2/11/05 3:33:27 PM”

“Yeah, he doesn't really aim to find common ground, does he? A bit of a siege mentality there.”

“It looks like by making a reference to Buddhism we have fallen into Silent J's clever trap, old chum. If I could...just...reach...my bat utility belt.”

“�Taleban� Execute 7-Year-Old Boy In Afghanistan, Moonbats Cheer

http://www.timesplus.co.uk/tto/news/?login=false&url=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/afghanistan/article2549907.ece”

“Original first post from Stovie on this thread:

'Progressive' Icon Convicted of Helping Terrorists
“Who said the Left was UnAmerican?

I'll call her 'Progressive', since all you liberal Dems seem to have a hissy fit about the liberal label.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/crime/ny-stew0211,0,1331604,print.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2

Veteran civil rights lawyer Lynne Stewart was convicted Thursday of helping terrorists by smuggling messages of violence from one of her imprisoned clients -- a radical Egyptian sheik -- to his terrorist disciples on the outside.......”
StoveStomper
4:11:19 PM
2/10/05

Now, his present post on this thread:

“�Taleban� Execute 7-Year-Old Boy In Afghanistan, Moonbats Cheer

http://www.timesplus.co.uk/tto/news/?login=false&url=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/afghanistan/article2549907.ece”
Stovie
7:47:18 PM
6/10/10

What do the two have in common?”

“HMM sni**er maybe the fact that the first shows how FREAKING Gullible Progressives are and the second shows what the end result of cuddlng up to the Islamofacists will do?????”

“Nope, wrong.”