YOUR IP ADDRESS

“If you register at a site, they see your IP address. If you disable your cookies, can they still see your address? Can you register under different names at the same site if you disable cookies?

I see people were banned here, but come back. How do you do that? If you do disable your cookies and register somewhere, what do they see? Do they then see if you register from the same disabled cookie site if you register again and again?

What about my e-mail address. I have a new computer and when I send mail out, it doesn't just have my e-mail address on it, it has my name next to it? There must be a way to get rid of that. When you e-mail someone, they should not be able to see your name. That's a privacy issue.

Does anyone have any answers?”

“ill show you your cookies if you show me mine”

“lipstick....you've asked several good questions...i believe these shoud be asked of matt the webmaster. I know some sites when you log out clears their cookies....i don't believe this one does....got me interested in a reply.”

“A site that you communicate with sees your IP address because it sees the IP adress the communication came from. It's a router thing, not a cookie thing. Your IP address most likely changes with each session where you log into your ISP. You most likely have your TCP/IP on your computer set to automatically obtain an IP address from your ISP's DHCP(Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) server. If you have TCP/IP set to a static IP address, your machine uses the same IP address all the time, until you change the TCP/IP setting. Most ISPs charge extra for a static IP address because it means they must have to reserve your IP address and it is not available for others to use.

The name showing with sent e-mail...that is how you set it up in your e-mail client. In Microsoft Outlook 2002, you can change the displayed name when you send an e-mail:

-Tools
-Options
-Mail Setup tab
-Email Accounts... button
-select View or change existing e-mail accounts
-Next button
-Change button
-under User Information, Your Name appears

This is that name the recipient will see.

Personally, I delete every e-mail where I do not see a name associated with the e-mail as a security precaution. If you want privacy, don't send out e-mails. You could also just use your first name, but I would also look at that as a suspect e-mail.

Matt has many different ways to disable people. He could delete or disable their account. He could block a specific IP address or an IP range. I'm sure there are many more ways.

I hope this helps.”

“...and then when he does a "revision" he sometimes lets us bozos back, cuzz he is a screw-up.








(j/k about the screw-up comment!)”

“It's so tricky banning IP addy's today. About 3 years ago I banned one off of our site and killed the entire Redstone Arsenal.

We have a few people we've banned a dozen or more times. Quite frankly, the security issues involved simply aren't worth it. IMO.”

“There's a pretty cool site that will show you your IP address and whatever other personal information you are transmitting into cyberspace. Go to freesecurityscan.com to see what you are revealing.”

“The Vileman is back to his old trick.
LOL.”

“Your IP address is sent by your browser. It gets inserted into what is called the "header" - the start of the stream of text the browser sends to the server. None of the mainstream browsers allow you to turn this off.”

“Thanks for that answer ski. You seem to have all the answers to computer questions.

I'm not asking for this site. It was a general question. I have always used the same name for all the time I've been here.

Besides, even if Matt sees a different name with the same IP, he doesn't care, but maybe he does if you do it for nefarious reasons:)”

“LOL @ Violin”

“I'm not clicking that link. Who was it that put a link that once you clicked on it, it took you through this site that went page after page where you kept clicking to get to the next page to get out, but never did. I think it eventually shut down your computer. Yeah, it can be cute, if you're in the mood to reboot your computer:)”

“if you hover over viles link it tells you that its his site

i think its quite entertaining

im gonna go click on it

aint skeerd”

“If some people would keep their big fat mouths shut, we'd have more fun!!!”

“The same people, when they were in grade school and got told a secret, would immediately run around the schoolyard shouting out the secret.”

“Come on Geo, it's way more fun to dump on the Vileman.”

“A good security site to test your computer is Gibson Research Corp. Click on ShieldsUP!, your IP address will show along with your domain name...press the proceed button. You can test file sharing, open ports, browser headers, cookies, spam messenger and other things.”

“Lipstickhiker,

Check your email (presuming you are taking bout your email address on your TT profile for your "nick name". When you find your name just replace with anything.

Be advised...it is never a good idea to have email with your own name as part of email address either (ex. joejones@hotmail.com).”

“Skiracer and Techntrek pretty much hit the nail on the head. As far as IP addresses, they have to be sent along with your info. It's like putting your return address on an envelope. If you don't put it in there, the information you send out will not be able to ever find it's way back to you without the return address. As far as logging into the site with different user names, you could turn off the cookies, but you can also just log out of the site (button at the top) and then log in with a different username. As for the email question someone already listed the instructions above to change it, but just be aware that if you leave it blank many people won't look at it, and most of the spam filtering software will block it. Also unless they recognize the sender, a lot of people won't open an email.”

“highcountry, I meant that my e-mail had my real name on it with my "code" name when I e-mailed people. I just realized that my name was showing on my e-mails to people. It wasn't like that when I had aol.

ski, I had to call msn to find out how to take my name off. I guess it's different with msn as opposed to what you are using. They also showed me how to change the ISP and there was no charge.

wvmtnmatt, even if you disable the cookies, and create a new user name, doesn't the site you go to still see the names are all connected to the same computer?”

“wvmtnmatt- great analogy of the return address on an envelope for the explanation of an IP address and how information is sent back to the computer that requested it. I'm going to use that, if you don't mind.”

“Your IP address along with the timestamps on the packets used to send messages across the Internet server as your legal identity on the Internet. This information is often used to fight credit card fraud on shopping sites, banking sites, etc.

People's IP addresses do change from time to time (actually, every time you log on to the Internet if you use dialup), so IP address alone cannot necessary be used to identify someone. I believe that ISPs (Internet providers) are required to keep logs of who they give what IP addresses to and when...”

“Well, PhantomSoul is correct about ISPs being required to log IP addresses and they do serve to identify who was using a particular IP address at a particular time.

However...IP addresses can be easily spoofed by "those in the know" so it's certainly not foolproof. Spoofed IP addresses are usually used to launch attacks or to commit fraud.

One way to prevent things of this nature would be to require everyone to obtain a certificate from a Certificate Authority. That way, your identity would be known on the internet and the internet would be more secure. It's sort of a "license" to run on the Superhighway. Radical idea, I know, but it certainly has some merit in preventing things like viruses, worms and other attacks along with fraud prevention and spamming.”

“I'm getting confused. So if you try to log onto a site to join it, will the webmaster not accept the registration, because they can't track you, because you disabled the cookies?

So can I make up a new user name and disable the cookies in order to not be traced back to my original registration and IP?”

“so can they see your IP freely?”

“crash, I think they can, so that's why I'm trying to keep my IP covered:)”

“lipstick hiker, Why do you want to keep your IP address a secret? If you do that, information will not get back to you from web pages that you request.

crash bang, yes, they can see your IP address.

I really do not see what the big deal is about IP addresses. It tells someone nothing about your identity. It tells a web site where to send data from requests that you make. I guess I could see wanting to keep your IP address a secret if you were doing something fraudulant. In order for someone to track your identity through your ISP, they would have to contact your ISP and tell them exactly why they need the user ID and identity associated with a particular IP address at a particular time. An ISP is not going to release that information to just anyone.”

“skiracer, I wanted to log onto an internet site and not have it be known that the new name is still me. I don't need any information sent back to me from them. I wonder if the e-mail will be sent back to them without the ISP?

Actually, initially, they will send you back a confirmation that you are registered, but I don't need that because it does not supply you with a log on number or name. It just confirms that you are registered.”

“lh, the IP address is not physically associated with your computer, like the MAC address of your ethernet NIC is. It is a part of the underlying data transport protocol, and especially if you're on dialup, it changes everytime you connect to your ISP. Some boards post the IP address of the computer from which a message was posted, but by and large that is useless now with the rise of DHCP instead of using assigned IP addresses. If you're posting from work, though, someone would probably be able to figure out where you work from your IP, but that's about it.”

“bit, I posted on a site where the moderator said he had my IP address. I didn't know why he said that since I didn't post anything bad, but he did say that for some reason or other.”

“To intimidate you. He knows most people have no idea what an IP address is. It used to be a much bigger deal, when all IP addresses were assigned. Then, you could narrow it down to a corporation, email the sysadmin, and try to get you in trouble with it. Now, with DCHP, your IP might change every time you reboot your system, or reconnect to your ISP. Don't freak out about it.

Suffice to say, that without sending your IP address, then the data you request (whatever it is) will never be able to get back to you.
last edited: 2/23/05 4:04:53 PM”

“Suffice to say, that without sending your IP address, then the data you request (whatever it is) will never be able to get back to you.

bitpusher
4:04:17 PM
2/23/05

Thanks, bitpusher. Maybe lipstick hiker will believe you.

skiracer, I wanted to log onto an internet site and not have it be known that the new name is still me. I don't need any information sent back to me from them.

lipstick hiker
3:13:52 PM
2/23/05

lipstick hiker, when you log onto a web site, request a web page or click on a link on a web page, you are requesting information to be sent to your computer via your IP address. Without your IP address, you wouldn't be able to view web pages because it wouldn't know where to send the data. Web pages are just data.”

“And besides, the underlying protocol software sends it whether you want it to or not, and you can't change that. Nyah.”

“ski, I believe you, if it seemed that I didn't, it's because I'm not computer literate about the running of a computer:) I just did something to my computer the other day with the help of the msn help people. I thought I changed my ISP so that my IP could not be seen or something like that, but now I'm all confused. I just hope I didn't @#$% my computer, lol. I can still click on links and get info, so I'm not quite sure what I did. I had told the "helper" that I wanted to make it that people could not see my IP address.”

“You probably turned on your firewall so that your computer is hidden from the Internet. The packets of data that your computer sends out requesting data still have the IP embedded in them; they have to have it.”

“I can certainly see how this can be confusing to someone who doesn't understand TCP/IP. It helps to keep us geeks employed.”

“Lipstick hiker,
Unless you specifically requested and paid for a "static" IP address (one that you lease from your ISP that does not change), chances are that you will not get the same one twice. And no site should 'want' your IP address for anything other than tracking purposes. Anyone asking for that would immediately tickle my suspicion button and I would not want to do business with them.
Curtis
p.s. didn't we meet at the ocean with Strider a couple weeks ago?”

“Whether you get the same IP address depends on a couple of things. One is the lease time. If the lease time is sufficient, by the time your lease is half up, you request a new IP address through the DHCP DORA (Discover, Offer, Request, and ACK) process. In a company, where lease times are usually longer than ISPs, you usually get the same IP address because it has not been used yet. If your lease has expired and the IP address you were using has been issued to another computer, you will get a new one. One thing I'm not certain of...when requesting a new IP address after the lease has expired, does the DHCP server check to see which IP address was associated with your MAC address last and see if it can issue that IP address again -OR- does your computer send something to the DHCP server in the Discover that says what IP address was last associated with the MAC address? Inquiring minds want to know the answer to this important question.

And why isn't it just the MAC (Machine Address Code) rather than the Machine Address Code Address? Is it like PIN number?”

“ski, I'm presently thinking about the answer to your questions, lol:)

ceoiii, I was invited to the beach trip, but did not make it this year. The last PNW trip I went on was the beach clean up where strider beat the he!! out of himself and lost, lol.

Also, I suppose some internet chat sites want or have your IP when you register, so they can track you if you annoy people there, then try to log on under another name. I suppose the computer will give them the same IP address even if you use a new user name, but I'm not sure.”

“Okay, I changed my e-mail to not have my real name included and they said it would take a day or so.

Now I go to a forum and sign on and it says that my name doesn't go with my password. When I log in, my password is already remembered and shows up, so I think whatever I did a few days ago took over today, and now I can't get into this other forum. It says to change my password, so I have a new one that works, so maybe that one will be connected to my new IP or ISP or I just don't know. Maybe some sites will not let you register without an IP or ISP or whatever. I did read that when you have dail up, your IP can change every time you log on. I have DSL now.”

“Lipstick, people like you should be charged a Stupid Tax for your drain on other peoples' time.

Christ.”

“Ultrapacker, Christ? Why bring his name into it? I don't think he would like the tone you are taking when using his name. Perhaps you are an athiest and don't care, but have respect for another person's religion. There is another word for you and it's worse than stupid.”

“Just dropped out of lurk mode for the evening ... and found this little thread.

LH, I did NOT lose that fight - I kicked my ass (grin)! And by the way, introductions... LH meet ceoiii, a long time and very good friend of mine. Curtis, meet Grace (and by extension her husband John), two fine folks who are worth knowing. One of these days I'll introduce you properly, hopefully over a campfire.

LH, regarding the last couple of posts to this thread - someone who has noting better to contribute than snide remarks about someone who is legitimately trying to improve their knowledge level is not worth replying to. If I can presume to offer advice ... don't feed the trolls.

Now, since I'm here, it's time to wander around and see what other threads might have interesting things therein....

strider”

“strider, thank you. There is the very off topic: "What women want in a man...period" and "man purse" threads if you want some humor:)

Just know that your face with it's screws in your cheek are going to set off airport security systems, so you may want to get a doctor's note saying you were mended and are not hiding a snub nose .38 in your mouth, lol.”

“re: ip reassignment, generally you will end up with the same ip. if you want to change it you can request a new one with winipcfg.exe i think....”

“In Windows XP, you can run a DOS command called ipconfig. To see what your IP settings are, you can run:

ipconfig /all

To release your IP address:

ipconfig /release

To get a new IP address:

ipconfig /renew

Remember that you must first start a DOS window with Start, Run, and then type in "command" and that after you have released your IP address, you will not be able to open up internet browser pages that are not in your cache without first renewing your IP address.”

“That'll work as long as you're not behind a router for a home network.

If you are, you'll only see your local IP address.”

“ski, you are right on the money! That sounds exactly what they told me to do through the help line. I think the forum I go to is not logging me in due to their server problems they are saying they are having and not what I did, though I registered at another site and it also is saying the user name and password are not the same, but the computer puts in the password itself, so I don't know if it's a coincidence that this site has a server problem also right now. I can only call Mon-Fri to check.”

“Some website do use the Ip to determine Identity as an additional security measure, also as an anti troll measure as well”

“Phaedrus is correct. However, if you want to see the IP address that is being transmitted from your local router/firewall/DHCP_server, do what I said to do in a previous post.

“A good security site to test your computer is Gibson Research Corp. Click on ShieldsUP!, your IP address will show along with your domain name...press the proceed button. You can test file sharing, open ports, browser headers, cookies, spam messenger and other things.”

skiracer
4:34:40 PM
2/22/05
last edited: 2/26/05 4:06:48 PM”