Look what STUPID thing the LIBERALS have done NOW!

“Democrat and former Attorney General for two democratic administrations, Ramsey Clark, is literally in Iraq using his legal skills to try to get Saddam Hussein off the hook in his trial. Didn't the U.S. lose over 2,000 G.I.s killed just to capture and keep him in prison? Didn't Saddam Hussein use murder, rape, torture and genocide as a matter of government policy for over a decade? There is no worse evil person on this earth, and the liberals are trying to set him free.”

“when i first heard he was involved in this i couldn't believe the story...i'm all for due process but why does it have to be an american...this puts major political egg on our face...whether you're for or against the war this just makes us look bad”

“Ramsey Clark, Hero of the libbies. LOL”

“Hermann Goering. Hero of the connies. LOL.”

“The Vile Man is so bitter nowadays.... LOL”

“Obviously SS - you are getting bored and trying to stir something up. Maybe you could find something constructive to do, like make one of your top notch stoves and wind screen combos and send them up into the New England.”

“Who? Me? (Putting my halo on)”

“The trial wouldn't be liginimit if Saddam didn't have legal representation. I can't see anyone wanting the job to defend him, but it has to be done.”

“Lumberzac, Saddam Hussein is on trial in Iraq for war crimes. Iraq does not have an American Bill of Rights guaranteeing a criminal defendant a right to council. Saddam Hussein has no right to be represented by Ramsey Clark. I doubt Ramsey Clark is a member of the Iraqi bar anyhow. Ramsey Clark's efforts to free Saddam Hussein make him no better than Saddam Hussein himself.”

“i agree he needs/deserves/should have legal representation but why'd it have to be an american...this is already an unpopular war and this just gives people even more ammo...the very person we faught to have removed is being defended by an american”

“Come on thrifty! Libbies aren't anti-American!
Just ask violin.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL”

“Ramsey Clark's efforts to free Saddam Hussein make him no better than Saddam Hussein himself.”
prosecutor
3:10:58 PM

hyperbole like this serves little good.

are we going to accuse every defense lawyer of being no better than the criminals they represent now?

i agree with lumberzac 100%”

“prosecuter, would this not be a conflict of interest?...granted our conflict of interest laws do not apply but still”

“Hey pedx!
What size cup did you want it made for, I forget. Bigger one or smaller one?”

“Principle V
Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law. -
International Law Commission

Personally I hope he is found guilty and is executed in the most painful manor possible and then brought back to life and killed again for every death he is responsible for.”

“thrifty, I do agree that his representation probably should be a non-American to avoid any posibilty of conflict of interest.”

“Fair trial under international law does not give Saddam Hussein:

Rights in a trial in Iraq.

Right to a free attorney.

Rights to an attorney who does not speak the language.

Right to an attorney not licensed to practice law in Iraq.

Right to switch lawyers after the trial has begun.

In America, under our Constitutional Rights, every Criminal Defendant charged with a crime has a right to a lawyer, and those lawyers are doing an indespensible job in representing the criminal. If Saddam Hussein was an American Defendant, charge with violation of American criminal laws, I would not fault his attorney one bit. Saddam Hussein is not so charged. Under Iraqi law, he does not have those rights, and international guidelines do not trump local law. If they did, EVERY trial in China would be reversed.”

“Ok right now Im too Lazy to find out but
"Why are Saddams(or co-defendents) Lawyers being Killed"? I would think it would be the Prosecution team. Do I just have this all wrong?”

“Nimrod, the crowds in Iraq are chanting for his death. After being responsible for millions being killed, tortured, or raped, the survivors want Saddam Hussein. It is just the liberal press in the U.S. that supresses that story and gives a false opposite impression.”

“Article (19): 1st - The judiciary is independent, with no power above it other than the law. 2nd - There is no crime and no punishment except by the text (of law). And there is no punishment except for an act that the law considers a crime at the time of its commission. No punishment can be enacted that is heavier than the punishment allowed at the time of the crime's commission. 3rd - Trial by judiciary is a right protected and guaranteed to all. 4th - The right to defence is holy and guaranteed in all stages of investigation and trial. 5th - The accused is innocent until his guilt is proven in a just, legal court. The accused cannot be tried for the same accusation again after he has been freed unless new evidence appears. 6th - Every individual has the right to be treated in a just manner in all judicial and administrative procedures. 7th - Court sessions will be open unless the court decides to make them secret. 8th - Punishment is for individuals. 9th - Laws do not apply retroactively unless otherwise has been legislated, and this exception does not include laws of taxes and duties. 10th - Punitive law shall not be applied retroactively unless it is best for the defendant. 11th - The court shall appoint an attorney to defend defendants charged with a felony or a misdemeanour who don't have an attorney and it shall be at the state's expense. 12th - (a) (Arbitrary) detention shall not be allowed. (b) Arrest or imprisonment is not allowed in places other than those designated for that according to prison laws that are covered by health and social services and are under the control of the state. 13th - Preliminary investigation papers shall be shown to the concerned judge no later than 24 hours from the time of the detention of the accused and cannot be extended except once and for same duration. - The new Iraqi Constitution”

“But the bombings that take place now on a daily basis are from the Saddam supporters?”

“I would think if he gets found guilty with an American lawyer they'll all say the fix was in. If he has a crackpot Iraqi lawyer they'll say he didn't get represented well enough. What we need is to get a full blooded salad tossing, lace wearing, cheese and wine eating, arab loving surrender monkey of a French lawyer to represent him. If a Frenchman won't do everything in his power to get an arab murder off, no one will.”

“Nimrod, the bombers are a small minority in Iraq composed of foreign terrorists and former Iraqi officials who liked using government sponsored rape, murder, and torture for their own amusement.

The Iraqi laws cited above say Saddam has a right to a lawyer, and he a;ready has a lawyer. Even more stringent American laws require the lawyer to be licensed in the state where the trial is had, and do not allow a lawyer to come in after the trial has started without permission of the judge.”

“This account of the trial is pretty amusing: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051205042709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001

It also mentions that Clark is assisting the defense and he has an Iraqi attorney, but don't let the facts spoil your circle jerk.”

“It is just the liberal press in the U.S. that supresses that story and gives a false opposite impression.”
prosecutor

On the contrary, I just heard on NPR (the #1 LIBERAL news source) that the Iraqis, and most Arabs, are glad Saddam is gone but it shouldn't be an American trial or under laws set up by the Americans.
In summary (in my words) they feel Saddam is bad to the bone is should die, it's just that the Marines make poor diplomats.

One other thing, Anti-war does NOT equal Pro-Saddam.”

“Prosecuter
So the everyday bombers, kidnappers & terroists are pro-Saddam but there are a group of people in Iraq that would kill defense lawyers representing Saddam. This group hates Saddam so much that even the lawyers should die. I just cant grasp that. Maybe the abotion clinic bombers in this country but at least they justify it by saving the unborn. Cant think of an analogy. I would also think it would be a bit complicated in killing a well guarded lawyer, so alot of planning would be involved within a well organized group. That bothers me also because if there is alot of planning this group must be planning other things and have other other goals and motives.”

“Liberals want the US to fail in Iraq. It could not be more obvious.”

“Yeah. It’s not like it was a stupid idea poorly executed.

The fault lies with those who point that out.”

“Just where did you come with that bacpac?
Oh yeah, out of your ass!”

“I would also think it would be a bit complicated in killing a well guarded lawyer, so alot of planning would be involved within a well organized group. That bothers me also because if there is alot of planning this group must be planning other things and have other other goals and motives.”
nimrod


that's part of the problem. the iraqi defense lawyers are not protected at all. they all just threw a fit at the judge about it in court.”

“Your information is wrong, naviguesser.

Why do you continue to guess?

According to :

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm


NPR is reasonably close to center on the left and Fox news is reasonably close to center on the right. The NYT (the news source that acts as a bellwether for most major news media) is much further to the left.

Don't guess. It makes you look unintelligent when you guess wrongly instead of actually trying to learn something more then you already think you know.”

“arclite - I've been looking for that. I used to reference it in a past life. Glad you dug it up again.”

““Liberals want the US to fail in Iraq. It could not be more obvious.”
bacpac
5:37:50 PM
12/05/05

Saying the "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong," Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean predicted today that the Democratic Party will come together on a proposal to withdraw National Guard and Reserve troops immediately, and all US forces within two years.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=C36A87B9-63A0-4CDE-AA91-B41571AFD3AF”

“I guess you couldn't read the sarcasm.

BTW, should I dig out where you said that NPR was part of the liberal biased media equal to the networks and Fox was the most nonbiased?
Actually the quote was "What Strat said." but you catch my drift.”

“Stove: LOL. The bigger one.”

“I dunno what the f--- Ramsey Clark thinks he's accomplishing.

It is important that Saddam not only gets a fair trial, but that the trial is seen as fair and the evidence released is convincing. If he furthers those goals then all power to him, if he is working to muddy the waters then he is dead wrong.

I do worry that the Sadam trial will backfire - giving Saddam a platform without coming across as a fair trial.”

“...and then taken into the streets and hanged by the neck until dead.”

“I don't know Ped, I heard they were trying to speed the trial up so Saddam could run on the Sharon/Saddam ticket.”

“Just where did you come with that bacpac?
Oh yeah, out of your ass!”
The-Naviguesser
4:49:45 PM
12/05/05

I read what liberals are saying. The glee expressed at any setback is undeniable.”

“This week we have hard Dean say we can't win the war, Kerry calling our soldiers terroists, Pelosi waving the white flag.

There is no way Democrats can be relied on to defend the country. They do more to support the terrorists than they do our own troops. America will not stand for this. Liberals have destroyed the Democratic party and are trying to destroy the United States.”

“In the interview with Matt Lauer of the NBC News program "Today," conducted on Saturday but shown on the opening day of the Republican National Convention, Mr. Bush was asked if the United States could win the war against terrorism, which he has made the focus of his administration and the central thrust of his re-election campaign.

"I don't think you can win it," Mr. Bush replied. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/politics/campaign/31bush.html?ei=5090&en=b257721394890931&ex=1251691200&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1134404757-UVyqlsnN6XTtFNWpmubxgw”

“When it all starts falling apart for the administration, do what the republicans and Bush and Rove in particular do best. Go negative!!!! Concentrate on the Democrats rather than the President's record in office.
last edited: 12/12/05 10:47:43 AM”

“Ha Ha!”

“V - That's hysterical, so Dean is a left wing surrender nut for saying what the President says!

Funny thing is that I knew nothing about dean's comment until the right wing started repeating it. It's funny how the right says that it threatens morale if the troops don't think the US is behind them, and then they spend meg-bucks to say that the Democrats aren't behind them and if the Dem's win we'll cut and run.
It's like the person who claims to care about your feelings and keeps telling you other people are saying nasty things about you.”

“You wingnuts! The two are completely different. LOL
Ha Ha!”

“pedxing doesn't know what the Democratic leaders are saying?

Oh well, neither do they.”

“Dean is the very best thing to happen for the Repubs in many years.

He is reping the true Dem Party.”

“Activist Judge Cancels Christmas

December 14, 2005 | Issue 41•50

WASHINGTON, DC—In a sudden and unexpected blow to the Americans working to protect the holiday, liberal U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Stephen Reinhardt ruled the private celebration of Christmas unconstitutional Monday.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43438”

“sounds like the president doesnt support our soldiers”

“Ha Ha!
Made y'all look AGAIN! ;-)”