Look what STUPID thing the LIBERALS have done NOW!

“Sassafras - I put you on ignore a long time ago (and told you at the time). You're acting like a child. I'll go back to ignoring you regardless of you putting my name in the subject line since you obviously haven't changed a bit. woo-hoo all you want. It reflects on you, not me.”

““Yeah, but I guess to you Geo just b/c they belong to a "church", then they're automatically conservative.”
Sarge

No Sarge, it's not me who presumes them to be conservatives. It's you who presumed them to be liberals, but you never have been any good at remembering what you posted. So, to refresh your memory ...

“mindless liberals

civility has left the building -- it's come to this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184623,00.html”
Sarge”

“love the tolerance and openmindedness of the Left....I remember one particular


i love broad, sweeping generalizations. That's very open minded of you.
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“Should I be sad, disappointed, or perhaps hurt? Would that make you feel better, Sarge?

It's okay to have fun.”

“Geo, if this wasn't sarcam, were you agreeing with me? Because if you weren't, it's probably sarcasm.


“Sarge sees liberals.”Geobeet
1:38:09 PM
2/13/06
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“Please tell me this. Name ONE stance that your revered leader the 42nd President of the United States took and held for 8 years.

Chubby interns are yummy.”

“lmao!”

“Jeez, you need me to tell you what sarcasm is?

You called a bunch of religious kooks liberals. How do you know they are liberals? Why would you say they are liberals? To paraphrase your criticism of me, just because they belong to a church makes them liberals?”

“I can see why people like you are embarrassed by Phelps, Sarge.

He uses plain words to say what you couch in more less inflamatory language.”

“Violin - That is out of bounds. Please don't insinuate that I support anything he says. That's not funny.

Geobeet - I explained on here twice now why I said they are liberals. If you disagree, then just say so. Did you not read my posts to Sassafras?”

“This guy draws a lot of counterprotesters Sarge. I've yet to see a "Conservative Christians Condemn Homophobia" sign. They all seem to be lefty/gay friendly signs. Why is that?
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“Violin - I haven't known a conservative Christian yet who didn't condemn him. Why don't they put up a sign across the street from him? I don't know. Maybe because some pieces of trash aren't worth it. Conservatives by their nature don't do a lot of protesting. I think that's why the libs get so surprised in the polls a lot. The vocal left makes the news, but the silent majority makes it to the polls.”

“Here's my theory: Sarge went headline hunting this morning, looking for a newsitem that would support his worldview that liberals are (pick one) (stupid, hypocrites, America-haters, anti-soldier).

He saw the FOX news headline "Families Seek Legislative Remedies From Funeral Protesters" and jumped on it, figuring that it must be about liberals.

StoveStomper immediately chimed in with his detailed and insightful analysis ("Typical"), but also failed to read the article.

Well, as Gomer Pyle would say, "SUUUUPRISE, SUUUUPRISE!" Upon actually reading beyone the headline, we discover it's a bunch of kooky conservative Kansans.

Sarge then scrambled for the obfuscate button on his alternate reality enhancer, and the spin was on.

I'm betting if you asked them if they're liberals, they'd club you upside your head with their signs.”

“Hee hee hee....
Who bothers to read?
I'm just here to stir the Fuego pot, just like kleetn. ;-)”

“LMAO kleetn!”

“"Conservatives by their nature don't do a lot of protesting."
Sarge

Yup, they tend to go along to get along.
Don't rock the boat.

"I'm betting if you asked them if they're liberals, they'd club you upside your head with their signs."
kleetn

That's what I'm talkin' about!!
Sarge should email the Reverend Lovejoy and ask him if they are liberals.”

“You guys are sheepish.

It's funny, you tell people to think with an open mind, but you just can't imagine that only in a self-centered world would they be considered liberal. You can't allow the possibility that things center around God, so to you, the very thought is unspeakable that they are liberal.

Don't ever preach to me about having an open mind or thinking outside the box. You guys are so glued to this world and yourselves that you've lost sight of the bigger picture.”

“What a tiny world that must be.”

“Marco - Take note - you're looking for justification of your view from what "Lovejoy" thinks as if he has the answers.”

“


I'm open minded enough to believe that in SargeWorld, everything you've said on this thread makes sense.”

“Whatever. Everything I said is consistent with that I said on the Book of Daniel thread. At least I'm consistent in my views. I don't look at the world the way you do Violin, and I'm glad of that fact.”

“libs are pushing a gay agenda AND they hate gays? thats consistent”

“Sarge made a mistake. He incorrectly labeled the right wing nuts as liberals. So instead of admitting his error he tries to spin the truth into something else.

We all make mistakes. People who can't/won't admit it are not emotionally healthy. I would get some help with that.”

“bacpac - Read this thread - and then read the previously written Book of Daniel thread. I did not make a mistake. I have a viewpoint which has not waivered in the last several months. If I made a mistake, the two definitions that I gave of "liberal Christian" would be different. As you'll see if you take the time to actually research before you speak, my viewpoint remains consistent - therefore - no mistake.

I'll await your apology (assuming you'll admit your mistake).
last edited: 2/14/06 6:14:48 AM”

“I read what you wrote on this thread. You need to talk to someone about this. It is a serious character flaw.

Besides, you have me on ignore. Please take advantage of the feature.”

“Reading what I wrote on this thread is only half of it. You are saying I made a mistake, that is, accidentally called the liberal. I did not make a mistake. My view is that they are liberal, and that view is confirmed on the previously written Book of Daniel thread. So, you are wrong. Please post your apology here.”

“They are not liberals by any definition. I am not going to try to follow your logic through multiple threads. You need help.”

“I don't deny (and didn't deny a month ago) that my definition of "Christian liberal" is different from your world-view. The point is that you claimed that I made a mistake which I won't fess up to. The fact is, I've always maintained, as the January thread of BOD testifies to, that my definition is different. So your theory that I incorrectly defined them and won't admit to it now is simply wrong. I know what I was saying, and have consistently held that view. I won't bow down to your world-view of the definition. Your definition revolves around humanity, mine revolves around God. A conservative/original/authentic view of Christianity is one of Love - not hate. If you want to modify that view to be one that is about United States politics, then that's your problem, not mine. I think on a larger scale than you. Stay in your box if you want to. That's your decision.
last edited: 2/14/06 7:27:49 AM”

“As incapable as Sarge is of defending his stance, he's at least consistent with some main-stream conservatives on this:

The "God Hates Fags" Left
By Mark D. Tooley
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 9, 2006

He started out by demonstrating at the funerals of AIDS victims. He demonstrated at the funeral of the young homosexual, Matthew Shepard, who was murdered in Wyoming. For reasons somehow relating to homosexuality, he demonstrated at the funerals of Frank Sinatra, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, William Rehnquist, and children’s program host Mr. Rogers. He warned Senator Pat Moynihan beforehand that he would be demonstrating at his funeral, too.
Now he is demonstrating at the funerals of U.S. military personnel killed in Iraq to celebrate the deaths of those killed while defending a "fag" nation. He also demonstrated at Coretta Scott King’s funeral, not for reasons relating to race, but because she agitated on behalf of "queers."

In response, several states are now considering legislation banning demonstrations at funerals. He is their main and probably only target.

He is Pastor Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. And his "God Hates Fags" theme has earned him an unending stream of media attention over the last 15 years.

Media have commonly described Phelps as a "Baptist pastor" and "anti-gay activist," with the implication that he was simply a more aggressive component of the Religious Right. Nation magazine included Phelps in a profile about the "The Radical Right After 9/11."

Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992 before turning against him.

More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is "unaffiliated" and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.

Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention. His targets span the full political and theological spectrum. Anyone who does not share his insistence that God reserves a special hatred for homosexuals is worthy of the Phelps treatment.

Such a calling in life might be lonely. But Phelps himself is aggressively patriarchal, with 13 children and at least 50 grandchildren. At least 10 of his offspring are lawyers, like him (though he has been disbarred). Legal challenges to his campaigns of hate are met with aggressive and litigious responses, which often earn the Phelps’ rich court-awarded penalties from their targets. The Phelps family is quite insistent on their First Amendment rights. Thanks to their legal prowess, Westboro Church does not accept contributions from outsiders. They are not needed.

The white-haired, Mississippi born-preacher often rants and shakes before hanging up on reporters or pushing away their microphones. With authentically hateful rhetoric, large brood and shag-carpeted Kansas church, he is almost the perfect embodiment of what some isolated Manhattanites in their most fevered dreams might imagine a red-state zealot to be. But Phelps, with dreadful consistency, exceeds even the worst stereotype.

Phelps’ story merits a file cabinet full of psychological analysis. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors "hate groups," among which Phelps proudly numbers, he was ordained at age 17. He rejected his mild Methodist upbringing, cut-off his family, and dropped out of both West Point and Bob Jones University. Time magazine profiled him only a few years later because of his street ministry against sexual vice in California. Phelps married young and moved to Topeka to pastor a Baptist congregation, where his violent behavior ended his pastorate. So he founded Westboro Baptist. But that congregation quickly melted away and Phelps resorted to door-to-door sales work.

After fathering his 13 children, Phelps became a lawyer and specialized in nuisance law suits. He also compelled his children to sell candy door to door every day to fund the church and the family, which are basically interchangeable. The Kansas Supreme Court eventually disbarred Phelps because of "little regard for the ethics of his profession."

But in the 1980’s Phelps won several civil rights-related cases, earning him three awards from civil rights groups, including a local chapter of the NAACP. He also supported the 1988 presidential bid of Al Gore, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fundraiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural. When invited to the 1997 inaugural, the Phelps clan came to Washington, but this time to demonstrate against the Clinton-Gore administration for betraying them. The Phelps family would also demonstrate at the funeral of Gore’s father in 1998. In 1990, 1994, and 1998 Phelps ran for the Democratic nomination for governor of Kansas, getting 15 percent of the primary vote in his last try. In 1992, he ran for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate, getting nearly 31 percent of the primary vote. He also ran for mayor of Topeka in 1997.

In the early 1990s the Phelps clan began its picketing at the funerals of AIDS victims. Their protests at the 1998 funeral of Matthew Shepherd earned Phelps his first international notoriety. His website, www.GodHatesFags.com, also made a splash.

Phelps wrote Saddam Hussein in 1998, opposing U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq and offering to visit Baghdad. Saddam accepted the offer but must have been perplexed when the Phelps clan showed up in the streets of Baghdad with placards denouncing anal sex. Phelps has also commended the anti-homosexual policies of Fidel Castro, who declined Phelps’ offer to come to Havana.

After the 9/11 attacks, Phelps celebrated that God was rightly punishing America for not hating homosexuals. The subway attacks in London persuaded Phelps that Great Britain also was being justly damned. Sweden has likewise become a special target. The 2004 tsunami that killed hundreds of Swedish tourists was divine retribution, Phelps surmised, and he started up www.GodHatesSweden.com.

"WARNING!!! To God's Elect: Leave Sweden NOW!!!," the website warns about a country that Phelps perceives is especially permissive about homosexuality. Sweden’s monarch Carl XVI Gustaf is called the "King of Sodomite Whores." Phelps’ Sweden-focus got him Swedish media attention and the threat of litigation from King Carl, which Phelps eagerly reported on his website.

Age is apparently catching up with Phelps, and he does not attend all of the demonstrations now. His children and grand-children fly around the country taking care of that. Several of Phelps’ children have turned against him, claiming physical abuse during their childhoods. But the rest of the offspring seem to have remained dutiful.

Phelps professes a unique form of Calvinism that insists on God’s "perfect hatred" for the unrighteous, among whom homosexuals are chief. It is a brand of Calvinism, not to speak of Christianity, that would be foreign to anyone outside of the Westboro Church compound.

At his funeral demonstrations, Phelps insists his targets are now justly in hell. "God is not mocked," the old firebrand declares, himself now approaching the age when the warning might be instructive.
last edited: 2/14/06 7:30:36 AM”

“Mutt - Of the two of us, you are the one espousing hate and are clearly more inline with him.”

“things never change s-rge almighty is right and everyone else is wrong.

Got to laugh at bacpac telling s-rge he needs help..LMAO”

“Ewker - If I have been inconsistent with my definition of "liberal Christian", feel free to prove it here. At least you are consistent with your childish nanny-nanny boo-boo arguments.
last edited: 2/14/06 7:53:51 AM”

“There goes Sarge again, making it about *me*. I don't have a dog in this fight between Sarge and Bacpac; I merely pointed out that Sarge has company on his POV (well, okay, I kind of felt sorry for him not being able to defend himself). But Sarge goes immediately on the attack!

What a hippocrite! You should apologize to everyone, Surge.”

“Ewker should be on ignore. His attitude is bad too. =P

Happy valentines Day Eddy! xo”

“I did a search on liberal christians and came up with a few good hits.

http://www.tcpc.org/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm”

“Sass, s-rge told me a while back he was putting me on ignore..another lie from him

typical..LMAO

Happy Valentine's Day to You Sass”

“Nigal - This argument is not what the definition of "liberal Christian" is.

I acknowledge now, as I did last month in the Book of Daniel thread, that my definition is different.

What this was about was some people were claiming that I incorrectly called this group liberal when I didn't mean to, and was too chicken to admit that I was wrong.

The fact is, my definition of "liberal Christian" has remained consistent, so no mistake was made on my part.

Do our definitions differ? Yes, I said that a month ago.

Did I make a mistake and am now unwilling to admit it? No. I made no mistake. I am sticking by my definition of liberal/conservative when it is applied to Christianity.”

“Oh I wasn't trying to swing the debate one way or the other. I just got curiouse and wanted to share what I found.”

“Ewker - You are on my ignore list. If you don't believe me, ask Matt. You've been on my ignore since I said you were. So, again, you are wrong.

I have the ability to look by clicking on a plus sign. I choose when I want to do that.

I also told you when I put you on ignore that I would look at your posts from time to time because you attempted to put my personal information (workplace) on here - and so I wanted to spot check to make sure you weren't doing more of the same.

So, so are wrong. Admit you are wrong. Will you? I didn't think so.”

“I didn't think you were Nigal. What you found is a definition from a liberal "Christian" viewpoint. There are other definitions as well. If you'll notice in their definition, they say they do not take the Bible at it's word. That is the basis for my beliefs on this topic.”

“"If you'll notice in their definition, they say they do not take the Bible at it's word."

While I am not sure I am a literalist word for word type I find their deffinition to be like saying, "We belive in math as a whole but not numbers.".”

“bacpac,

I admire you. Seriously. You have consistently called a spade a spade on this site, and I admire that.

Nigal,

Believe it or not, someone actually clicked on one of the links you posted. Here's a summation of one of the "liberal" churches belief statement:

By calling ourselves progressive, we mean that we are Christians who…

1. Have found an approach to God through the life and teachings of Jesus;

2. blah;

3. blah;

4. Invite all people to participate in our community and worship life without insisting that they become like us in order to be acceptable (including but not limited to):

believers and agnostics,
conventional Christians and questioning skeptics,
women and men,
those of all sexual orientations and gender identities

etc. etc., more blasphemy, etc.

And to the rest of you, the color blue is actually green. I don't care what blue looks like to the rest of you, my definition of blue is green. That fact has remained consistent and it is not a mistake on my part.
”

“Well Noob, I wasn't trying to say one thing or the other. I just thought it'd be kind of cool to see what the liberal christians have to say about being liberal christians. I don't care what they think personally as I don't even hold conservative christianity any higher.”

“While I am not sure I am a literalist word for word type I find their deffinition to be like saying, "We belive in math as a whole but not numbers.".” - Nigal

Exactly! And that brings us to my point. To be a Christian conservative, you believe in what the Bible says. One of the great messages of the Bible is that we are to be loving toward one another, including sinners. To me, if they want to call themselves Christian, then I'd have to apply the "liberal" label to them. They take the "numbers" out of Christianity.

For those playing along, this is what I said on the BoD thread as well. (see for yourself)

The only way these guys are Christian conservatives is if you look at it from a United States political world-view. Like I said, homey don't play that. I'm not going to reduce Christianity to that world-view, if I'm the last person on earth.”

“so you are peeking at my post or you wouldn't know what I said..shame on you!! be true to your statement and quit peeking”

“I think the terms liberal and conservative make it hard for some to understand what you are trying to get across. The terms orthodox and reformers/reconstructionists may be more accurate. In any event I believe it comes down to the way people treat others. These goons obviousely do not treat others well and that is a shame they have missed the biggest message of their religion.”

“Again Ewker - I told you when I put you on ignore that I would peek because you attempted to post my place of work on this site. You are wrong.

Admit it if you're man enough.”

“Ewker - Let's see how much of a "man" you are now:

__________________


“Ewker - You were wrong so instead of admitting it you're trying to make it about me by bringing up something from last summer when I posted with a different intent. You are doing nothing but trying to argue. I'll check periodically to see if you post more personal information about me on here. Otherwise, I'm done with you. Talk to the hand, troll. *ignore*
last edited: 1/25/06 9:29:25 AM”
Sarge
9:20:16 AM
1/25/06

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/42057,-1,5.php”