Bush Denies Second Amendment Rights

“First he turned his back on the religious right who helped him win reelection. Now he seems determined to screw over his NRA supporters:

“There is no place for an armed militia in a democratic society.”
- George W. Bush, 3/15/05


Y’all getting buyer’s remorse yet?”

“Clever boy!”

“vioLIN - Try again. George Bush did not say that.

CNN is up to it's old deceptive tricks - not naming their sources and trying to put words in Bush's mouth.
last edited: 3/16/05 12:24:33 PM”

“You're right sarge. I should have attributed that to a "senior administration official". My bad.”

“Or, more specifically, "an unnamed senior administration official".”

“Well... both Bush and Rice have called on Hezbollah to disarm, so the official was stating official policy.

Guard yer guns!”

“Yet more lies from the Vileman.”

“So, to get this right ... you're equating Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, with "an armed militia in a democratic society"?”

““So, to get this right ... you're equating Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, with "an armed militia in a democratic society"?”
Sarge
10:50:34 AM
3/16/05


Can't imagine anyone thinking that way...

”

“Phaedrus - So, to get this right ... you're equating Tim McVeigh with "an armed militia in a democratic society?"”

“Violin and Phaedrus -

Do you think that the ability to commit terrorist attacks is what was referred to in the second amendment by the founding fathers?”

“So let me get this right, you're chomping, hook line and sinker, on troll bait?

As far as that goes, Timothy Mcveigh was a member of an armed militia in a democratic society. That said, his story does little to make a case one way or the other for second amendment rights. My point was that labelling an organization a terrorist organization can be done with some home-grown institutions, as well.”

“Of course there are home-grown terrorist organizations. What does that have to do with the price of tea in china? We we're talking (so I thought) about the reference in the Constitution. Sounds to me like you were just using an excuse to bust on the United States of America.

Excuse me for assuming you were sticking to the topic.

By the way, just curious. Which militia did McVeigh belong to?
last edited: 3/16/05 1:02:14 PM”

“Let me get this straight, you're equating Timothy McVeigh to the United States?

No, dum-dum, I was pointing out that an armed militia in the US could be termed a terrorist organization in many lights.

Now, if you'd like to know my views on gun control instead of assuming, you're free to ask.”

“Phaedrus - Where did I make any assumption about your views re: gun control, dum-dum?

Phaedrus - Where did I equate Timothy mcVeigh with the United States, dum-dum?

Phaedrus - If you were going to make a point about an armed militia in the US being termed a terrorist organization, wouldn't it have made more sense to reference a militia, dum-dum?”

“Ouch. Violin caught in a lie and Phaedrus resorting to namecalling (again). Not a good day for liberals on Trail Talk! LOL!”

“Don't call me a liberal, namecaller.”

“Phaedrus - I'm quite familiar with the contents of that article.

Let me ask the question another way.

(please be specific)

"Which militia did McVeigh belong to?"

Thanks, dum-dum.
last edited: 3/16/05 1:16:12 PM”

“Phaedrus - I bought some "Thin Mints" last week. Does that make me a Girl-Scout?”

“As far as I'm aware, he did not pay dues to any one militia in the US at the time of the bombings. I'd have to go look up more detail for which he belonged to over time.

That said, are you denying that he was deeply influenced by those racist, heavily armed groups that call themselves militias?”

“Very entertaining!!”

“Sarge, only if you dress up in one of their outfits and start selling them would I call you a girl scout. If you do, by the way, I'd also get some chuckles.”

“Phaedrus - I'm saying several things.

1. He was not a member of a well organized militia.

2. He was not a member of anything that even slightly resembled what was referenced in the Constitution of the United States.

3. I am influenced by pictures from the Hubble telescope. That doesn't make me an astronaut.”

“Pictures, please!!!”

“I'm the tall guy on the right.

”

“I wear camo when I hunt, does that make me my own militia ? Oh, and I use a gun too.”

“Sarge, I'd have to agree with you on all of those points. There are other examples of militias that could be defined as terrorist groups, though. And I still lay part of the blame for oklahoma city at the feet of the white supremacist militias, don't you?”

“I have no reason to blame white supremacist militias, but ... even if they did orchestrate it - that still has nothing to do with what was referred to in the constitution. The well-armed militia was not meant to be a terrorist organization which kills innocent children to make a point.

Do you agree or disagree with that point, because if you disagree, I think this conversation will be pointless.”

“Thanks, Sarge!
You ain't just shlttin' now, huh?

......about the picture, that is.

and.........Phaedrus is correct.
last edited: 3/16/05 1:32:23 PM”

“MarkO - What specifically was Phaedrus correct about? Even he said I was right. Are you his cheerleader? his motovational speaker? his guidance counselor?”

“Most of us support gun control at one level or another. I think most all of us support gun control laws that keep felons and minors from buying guns. That is the base of gun control. A majority of us support laws requiring a FFL (Federal Firearms license) to own a machine gun or be a gun dealer. I think a majority of us support the brady bill where background checks are required before buying a gun. I think a majority of us support laws that require pawn brokers to report gun that are pawned for police records. It is only at the self protection and recreation level that gun owners like me are against gun control. I believe that guns should be regestered at the point of sale. Everyone accepts the fact that they must register their car before drivine it. Why not guns? The so called check and balance against a hostile government is crazy. The government has tanks and planes. Your pisss ant shotgun is no match. We will never be able to reduce gun crime and illegial weapons on the streets of America without everyone agreeing to stop the madness. This country has never been serious about stopping illegal drugs or guns. The NRA and Ollie North (Gun runner and Drug Smuggler) are in it for the money. Those people could really give a crap about your well being. The only way to straighten out gun crime is tough law enforcement, jobs for intercity youth and neighbor helping neighbor.”

“Yo, sarge, I agree with the statement. In keeping with that, boatpilot is correct, IMO.”

“Nice guns, Sarge!”

“Why does Viloink hate America so much?”

“Mabey he's in a militia ??”

“Boom.”

“Sarge, part of the blame goes to white supremist militias.
They helped create a monster.

And uh, I am Phaedrus's masseur.
Tense?”

“Listen, Marko, we're friends and all, but uhh...”

“HMMMmmmmmm....”